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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:41:30 AM EDT
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:42:24 AM EDT
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Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:46:16 AM EDT
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Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment. It's a tax law. $$$ |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:47:05 AM EDT
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It's a tax law. $$$ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment. It's a tax law. $$$ Under the guise of stopping all the gangsters with tommy guns and sawed offs back in its day. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:47:46 AM EDT
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Feels and nothing more
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:48:45 AM EDT
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Ban gangsters Tommy guns and the like.
Any attempt at de-regulating SBR's will result in much hooplah about legalizing "sawed offs." Logic don't enter into the liberal mind. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:48:48 AM EDT
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You cannot find logic in leftist nonsense.
Don't even try it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:49:04 AM EDT
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It's a tax law. $$$ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment. It's a tax law. $$$ At the time, the $200 cost was prohibitive to most folks and thus was a de facto ban for most of the population. Avg salary was $1368 in 32-34. http://www.paper-dragon.com/1939/priceguide.html According to this Bureau of Labor and Statistics link, 1934-1936 avg income was $1524 http://www.bls.gov/opub/uscs/1934-36.pdf |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:50:13 AM EDT
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It's not about guns; it's about control.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:50:54 AM EDT
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the purpose is to fuck with gun owners.
it has nothing to do with common sense, or safety, or reducing crime. id bet only 10% of gun laws are ACTUALLY about safety / reducing crime, and the other 90% is all about gun control, and fucking with gun owners. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:51:13 AM EDT
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Just BS Freedom interuptus from a gov't that expouses freedom.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:52:18 AM EDT
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At the time, the $200 cost was prohibitive to most folks and thus was a de facto ban for most of the population. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment. It's a tax law. $$$ At the time, the $200 cost was prohibitive to most folks and thus was a de facto ban for most of the population. I've seen it written that based on the times (both cost adjustments as well as the depression) that the $200 tax was like a modern day payment of about $6,000. Imagine a $6,000 tax to vote. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:52:31 AM EDT
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It's about CONTROL.
Over you and me and whoever thinks they are free. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:55:46 AM EDT
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It was all about de facto banning concealable guns. Remember that handguns were supposed to be included. If the NFA had passed as intended anything under 26" overall would have to be registered.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:56:17 AM EDT
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SBRs ate more easily concealed. That's the most important factor to a criminal. Look at crime stats of rifles vs pistols.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:58:16 AM EDT
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It's all about the Benjamin's.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:07:13 PM EDT
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The original draft of the '34 NFA was going to ban all handguns/make them subject to NFA registration. The SBR and SBS categories were included to keep people from cutting down non-NFA rifles and shotguns to make substitute handguns.
When it was realized that a handgun ban was far too drastic to get the NFA '34 passed, it was dropped, but the SBS and SBR categories remained. The fact that the Bonnie n Clyde types of the era often had sawn-off shotguns and rifles in their loadouts also kept it in the bill. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:10:07 PM EDT
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You have to remember the $200 tax stamp in 1934 was like almost $4k now.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:13:11 PM EDT
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What's the purpose of a lot of laws?
To make someone feel better. Doesn't stop shit though. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:16:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the purpose of a lot of laws? To make someone feel better. Doesn't stop shit though. You won't hear that mentioned in the media though.  |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:33:32 PM EDT
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At the time, the $200 cost was prohibitive to most folks and thus was a de facto ban for most of the population. Avg salary was $1368 in 32-34. http://www.paper-dragon.com/1939/priceguide.html According to this Bureau of Labor and Statistics link, 1934-1936 avg income was $1524 http://www.bls.gov/opub/uscs/1934-36.pdf Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment. It's a tax law. $$$ At the time, the $200 cost was prohibitive to most folks and thus was a de facto ban for most of the population. Avg salary was $1368 in 32-34. http://www.paper-dragon.com/1939/priceguide.html According to this Bureau of Labor and Statistics link, 1934-1936 avg income was $1524 http://www.bls.gov/opub/uscs/1934-36.pdf And remember the recent article about the NYC licensing law....you can only get a license if you are connected or wealthy...as intended by that unconstitutional POS law. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:39:39 PM EDT
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Its there to keep you honest otherwise you would be a criminal just like background checks are nothing but a tax and harassment of honest citizens wanting to own a Firearm.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:40:53 PM EDT
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Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. FPNI. SBR and SBS were intended to close a potential loophole that would have allowed pistols to be made that weren't legally pistols. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:41:50 PM EDT
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Feels and nothing more Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot find logic in leftist nonsense. Don't even try it. Vestigial laws are vestigial. Silencers are used by assassins! |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:42:58 PM EDT
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I asked the same question years ago. Handguns were supposed to be nfa too.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:43:12 PM EDT
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History
Roaring 20's Keeping revenue agents employed with some other BS to do after prohibition |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:45:18 PM EDT
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Vestigial laws are vestigial. Silencers are used by assassins! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You cannot find logic in leftist nonsense. Don't even try it. Vestigial laws are vestigial. Silencers are used by assassins! Gun store employee who was an ex state cop told me that Suppressors shouldn't be available to public because you can "snipe" someone from a "mile away in their house" and they would have no idea where the shot came from and only find the victim weeks later. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:45:22 PM EDT
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i don't understand the purpose of the nfa at all outside the desire to completely eliminate armed citizens.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:47:53 PM EDT
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How come you guys never look anything up?
It's interesting, give it try sometime. Back in the 1930s, the police were being regularly out-fought by crooks who married the technology of the automobile with the machine gun. Nowadays, having a shoot-out with police, like the Hollywood shootout, is suicide, but back then it was a useful tactic. Blowing the living shit out of a pursuing cop car with a Thompson or BAR was a good way to escape. Even Bonnie and Clyde fought their way out of a farmhouse after being completely surrounded by local lawmen. The purpose of the 1934 law was to ban all the weapons that criminals were putting to devastating use, like concealable shotguns and machine guns. One of the guns the police hated the most was a double barreled shotgun cut down to pistol size, it was called a whippet. So that's where the SBR and SBS part of the law came from. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:48:19 PM EDT
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One word, control
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:48:23 PM EDT
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FPNI
The original intent of the NFA was to ban all concealable arms. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:51:32 PM EDT
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So that Canada has something to gloat about?
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Posted: 5/2/2016 1:19:08 PM EDT
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How come you guys never look anything up? It's interesting, give it try sometime. Back in the 1930s, the police were being regularly out-fought by crooks who married the technology of the automobile with the machine gun. Nowadays, having a shoot-out with police, like the Hollywood shootout, is suicide, but back then it was a useful tactic. Blowing the living shit out of a pursuing cop car with a Thompson or BAR was a good way to escape. Even Bonnie and Clyde fought their way out of a farmhouse after being completely surrounded by local lawmen. The purpose of the 1934 law was to ban all the weapons that criminals were putting to devastating use, like concealable shotguns and machine guns. One of the guns the police hated the most was a double barreled shotgun cut down to pistol size, it was called a whippet. So that's where the SBR and SBS part of the law came from. And a large percentage of those weapons were stolen from National Guard armories and police stations...so how was the NFA supposed to keep them out of the hands of criminals? I've always believed the true reason for the NFA was not so much the motorized bandits, but the threat of a more organized Bonus Army. When you can put 40,000 armed troops in a nation's capital, you become an existential threat. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 1:26:51 PM EDT
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For he chilluns!
My SBR is defective though, it was around a baby this weekend and didn't make one attempt to murder him Before anyone freaks out, it was unloaded and the baby never touched or, nor was it fired around him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 1:27:17 PM EDT
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Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. FPNI. Plus liberals will try to ban anything they don't like, so there's that. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:05:18 PM EDT
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As far as I see it the only purpose of the NFA is to irritate the shit of me and separate me from my money.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:05:43 PM EDT
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And a large percentage of those weapons were stolen from National Guard armories and police stations...so how was the NFA supposed to keep them out of the hands of criminals? I've always believed the true reason for the NFA was not so much the motorized bandits, but the threat of a more organized Bonus Army. When you can put 40,000 armed troops in a nation's capital, you become an existential threat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How come you guys never look anything up? It's interesting, give it try sometime. Back in the 1930s, the police were being regularly out-fought by crooks who married the technology of the automobile with the machine gun. Nowadays, having a shoot-out with police, like the Hollywood shootout, is suicide, but back then it was a useful tactic. Blowing the living shit out of a pursuing cop car with a Thompson or BAR was a good way to escape. Even Bonnie and Clyde fought their way out of a farmhouse after being completely surrounded by local lawmen. The purpose of the 1934 law was to ban all the weapons that criminals were putting to devastating use, like concealable shotguns and machine guns. One of the guns the police hated the most was a double barreled shotgun cut down to pistol size, it was called a whippet. So that's where the SBR and SBS part of the law came from. And a large percentage of those weapons were stolen from National Guard armories and police stations...so how was the NFA supposed to keep them out of the hands of criminals? I've always believed the true reason for the NFA was not so much the motorized bandits, but the threat of a more organized Bonus Army. When you can put 40,000 armed troops in a nation's capital, you become an existential threat. The NFA "keeps them out of the hands of criminals" by imposing a 10 year prison sentence. Even a dumb criminal can count to 10. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:06:02 PM EDT
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FPNI. Plus liberals will try to ban anything they don't like, so there's that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. FPNI. Plus liberals will try to ban anything they don't like, so there's that. Calling everything a liberal gun ban is emotionally satisfying but it's not historically accurate. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:21:56 PM EDT
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$$$$$
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:33:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
How come you guys never look anything up? It's interesting, give it try sometime. Back in the 1930s, the police were being regularly out-fought by crooks who married the technology of the automobile with the machine gun. Nowadays, having a shoot-out with police, like the Hollywood shootout, is suicide, but back then it was a useful tactic. Blowing the living shit out of a pursuing cop car with a Thompson or BAR was a good way to escape. Even Bonnie and Clyde fought their way out of a farmhouse after being completely surrounded by local lawmen. The purpose of the 1934 law was to ban all the weapons that criminals were putting to devastating use, like concealable shotguns and machine guns. One of the guns the police hated the most was a double barreled shotgun cut down to pistol size, it was called a whippet. So that's where the SBR and SBS part of the law came from. Clyde's whippet was a cut down Auto-5 |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:38:45 PM EDT
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The ATF has to pay for utilities somehow.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:47:36 PM EDT
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Clyde's whippet was a cut down Auto-5 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How come you guys never look anything up? It's interesting, give it try sometime. Back in the 1930s, the police were being regularly out-fought by crooks who married the technology of the automobile with the machine gun. Nowadays, having a shoot-out with police, like the Hollywood shootout, is suicide, but back then it was a useful tactic. Blowing the living shit out of a pursuing cop car with a Thompson or BAR was a good way to escape. Even Bonnie and Clyde fought their way out of a farmhouse after being completely surrounded by local lawmen. The purpose of the 1934 law was to ban all the weapons that criminals were putting to devastating use, like concealable shotguns and machine guns. One of the guns the police hated the most was a double barreled shotgun cut down to pistol size, it was called a whippet. So that's where the SBR and SBS part of the law came from. Clyde's whippet was a cut down Auto-5 Yes, but at the time very short double barrel shotguns were popular for HD. Also I'll note the gangsters of the day were often much more capable than modern ones. They were more like Michael Platt then the usual run of bad guys we have today. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:16:01 PM EDT
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922(r) -- what is the purpose?
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:23:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the guise of stopping all the gangsters with tommy guns and sawed offs back in its day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Restriction of freedom and virtual abolishment of the 2nd Amendment. It's a tax law. $$$ Under the guise of stopping all the gangsters with tommy guns and sawed offs back in its day. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:24:25 PM EDT
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Calling everything a liberal gun ban is emotionally satisfying but it's not historically accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. FPNI. Plus liberals will try to ban anything they don't like, so there's that. Calling everything a liberal gun ban is emotionally satisfying but it's not historically accurate. Call me crazy, but the tone of your posts suggests that you find the NFA to be justified and legitimate. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:28:24 PM EDT
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? They hate little people.... 
Our Nation has a long way to go before we can overcome the bigotry from the FDR Administration. He did appoint 2 KKK members to the SCOTUS to back his campaign against little people, Negros, Hispanics, and Japanese. Anyone who tells you America no longer practices those discriminatory policies against minorities probably still goes to Klan rallies. It's not fair to discriminate against people because of how they were born. We should abolish the racially-motivated and antiquated bigotry of our Nation's past, and put everyone on equal footing. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:29:47 PM EDT
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It is the start with the end goal being a total gun ban . The anti freedom people have been working on this for years . The pro freedom crowd fails at getting any of it repealed
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:36:02 PM EDT
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Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? Concealability. Remember they originally tried to get handguns included in the NFA. YEP! If it wasn't for the NRA Fudds worried about bullseye cometition and "Kit Guns" in people's tackleboxes, handguns would be an NFA item today! |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:43:22 PM EDT
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They hate little people....
Our Nation has a long way to go before we can overcome the bigotry from the FDR Administration. He did appoint 2 KKK members to the SCOTUS to back his campaign against little people, Negros, Hispanics, and Japanese. Anyone who tells you America no longer practices those discriminatory policies against minorities probably still goes to Klan rallies. It's not fair to discriminate against people because of how they were born. We should abolish the racially-motivated and antiquated bigotry of our Nation's past, and put everyone on equal footing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ce1CUWRvrgo/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uyG8Yw5l2ew/hqdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given that practically any "rifle" caliber cartridge is readily available in a "handgun", what is the purpose of the law requiring a 16" barrel if you have a shoulder stock? What would the liberal argument be against dropping the minimum barrel length on a weapon with a shoulder stock? Can't be concealability-- pistols have no minimum length and use the same ammunition. For the life of me, I can't figure out the purpose of the SBR regulation, even if I try to emulate liberal thinking and tie half my brain behind my back, I can't see what the reason might be. Is this just a case of "arbitrary and capricious laws are arbitrary and capricious"? They hate little people....
Our Nation has a long way to go before we can overcome the bigotry from the FDR Administration. He did appoint 2 KKK members to the SCOTUS to back his campaign against little people, Negros, Hispanics, and Japanese. Anyone who tells you America no longer practices those discriminatory policies against minorities probably still goes to Klan rallies. It's not fair to discriminate against people because of how they were born. We should abolish the racially-motivated and antiquated bigotry of our Nation's past, and put everyone on equal footing. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ce1CUWRvrgo/hqdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uyG8Yw5l2ew/hqdefault.jpg why haven't we had a midget file a lawsuit claiming the NFA limits their ability to aquire short barreled rifles so they can exercise their right to bear arms? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:48:21 PM EDT
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Calling everything a liberal gun ban is emotionally satisfying but it's not historically accurate. Bonnie and Clyde stole their BARs from an armory and used a hacksaw to make the SBSs. Some gangsters did buy Thompsons from hardware stores, but NFA wasn't a realistic way to stop gangsters and motor bandits from engaging in violent crime. |
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