[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Stuka (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/31/2016 6:54:11 PM EDT
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Just because it's a cool word. "Stuka" Somebody should make a Stuka truck or something.
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| My grandpa used to talk about how terrifying they were just the sound of them. They were afraid of friendly fire that the fly boys would mistake them for Russians and they would take them out. His cousin was killed in Russia by one when it struck the tank they were in. |
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One of the first combat aircraft to be fitted with an experimental ejection seat by the way (but it was never used operationally).
Pilot would very often black out from G loading coming "through the trough" at the bottom of an attack dive. Automatic dive recovery system would return the aircraft to straight and level flight even if he was unconscious. |
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Obsolescent at its' adoption, and impossible to fly in anything but skies that were not, at a minimum, controlled by the Luftwaffe.
Much more accurate than contemporary level-flight bombers, although with a much-diminished payload. Sitting birds for any decent fighter aircraft that found them unsupported by dedicated fighter support. Modeled after German-bought pre-war US Curtiss planes, with good German avionics. The Germans were obsessed with dive-bombing such being their doctrine, and a lot of other, later aircraft were tasked with such capability, at the cost of such being almost impossible. The Germans were very smart in some things, and blind in other things. The blindness probably came from the top. |
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Obsolescent at its' adoption, and impossible to fly in anything but skies that were not, at a minimum, controlled by the Luftwaffe. Much more accurate than contemporary level-flight bombers, although with a much-diminished payload. Sitting birds for any decent fighter aircraft that found them unsupported by dedicated fighter support. Modeled after German-bought pre-war US Curtiss planes, with good German avionics. The Germans were obsessed with dive-bombing such being their doctrine, and a lot of other, later aircraft were tasked with such capability, at the cost of such being almost impossible. The Germans were very smart in some things, and blind in other things. The blindness probably came from the top. Maybe all true, but the Stuka was used right until the end, and in the hands a very capable pilot like Rudel it was a deadly bird... |
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Maybe all true, but the Stuka was used right until the end, and in the hands a very capable pilot like Rudel it was a deadly bird... Quoted:
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Obsolescent at its' adoption, and impossible to fly in anything but skies that were not, at a minimum, controlled by the Luftwaffe. Much more accurate than contemporary level-flight bombers, although with a much-diminished payload. Sitting birds for any decent fighter aircraft that found them unsupported by dedicated fighter support. Modeled after German-bought pre-war US Curtiss planes, with good German avionics. The Germans were obsessed with dive-bombing such being their doctrine, and a lot of other, later aircraft were tasked with such capability, at the cost of such being almost impossible. The Germans were very smart in some things, and blind in other things. The blindness probably came from the top. Maybe all true, but the Stuka was used right until the end, and in the hands a very capable pilot like Rudel it was a deadly bird... Rudel was a unique pilot, possibly 1 in a million. That said, if he had attempted his exploits on the Western front, he would have been shot down in quick order. Which goes back to the aircraft, |
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Rudel was a unique pilot, possibly 1 in a million. That said, if he had attempted his exploits on the Western front, he would have been shot down in quick order. Which goes back to the aircraft, Quoted:
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Obsolescent at its' adoption, and impossible to fly in anything but skies that were not, at a minimum, controlled by the Luftwaffe. Much more accurate than contemporary level-flight bombers, although with a much-diminished payload. Sitting birds for any decent fighter aircraft that found them unsupported by dedicated fighter support. Modeled after German-bought pre-war US Curtiss planes, with good German avionics. The Germans were obsessed with dive-bombing such being their doctrine, and a lot of other, later aircraft were tasked with such capability, at the cost of such being almost impossible. The Germans were very smart in some things, and blind in other things. The blindness probably came from the top. Maybe all true, but the Stuka was used right until the end, and in the hands a very capable pilot like Rudel it was a deadly bird... Rudel was a unique pilot, possibly 1 in a million. That said, if he had attempted his exploits on the Western front, he would have been shot down in quick order. Which goes back to the aircraft, Point taken, but I would respectfully retort, tongue firmly implanted in cheek, if the queen had balls she'd be king.... Western front was a different world, yes....but German pilots in the East racked up phenomenal kills...like Hartmann, etc...which they probably wouldn't have racked up on the Western front. Yes, it was outclassed by pretty much any fighter un the west, it still could make somewhat of a go with it in the east where the Russians were still flying Rata's and biplanes..... And I will submit it is definitely one of the most menacing, mean looking birds ever made. And the Kanonen Vogel G model was a master at CAS...the WWII equivalent of the A-10.... |
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Just because it's a cool word. "Stuka" Somebody should make a Stuka truck or something. http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/ww2colorphotos/blitzkrieg/th%20Ju%2087%20Stuka.jpg http://www.hot.ee/kolmasreich/Lennukid/Lennukid.index_failid/image010.jpg Yes, yes they should OP, I've read that the sound of them dumping altitude for energy was a most terrifying sound. |
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The Stuka was a cool plane, I'll give you that....but the Germans, who designed the coolest tanks and field guns, uniforms and other military gear, designed the ugliest airplanes ever. Compare German planes US planes. I give you the P-51, B-17, P-38, B-29, F4U and C47, just to name a few |
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My Mahogany (carved) Stuka model, in Hans Ulrich Rudel's paint scheme. <a href="http://s219.photobucket.com/user/omega62/media/Snake.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc90/omega62/Snake.jpg</a> I would suggest that the paint scheme in your mahogony model is not one of Rudel's aircraft, but a stuka from the western desert flown by Hubert Pölz and his squadron. Although Pölz fought in the Balkans and Russia, this particular aircraft was photographed in North Africa in 1942. It is thought that his entire squadron flew with this particular scheme, but there is a lack of photographic evidence to support those claims since very few pictures survived. If there is any evidence that this paint scheme was utilized by Rudel I'd be interested in seeing it. |
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Just because it's a cool word. "Stuka" Somebody should make a Stuka truck or something. http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/ww2colorphotos/blitzkrieg/th%20Ju%2087%20Stuka.jpg http://www.hot.ee/kolmasreich/Lennukid/Lennukid.index_failid/image010.jpg my favorite plane I love the sound it makes 
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I've read Rudel's book a couple of times. A very interesting read.
IIRC In one battle the Russians were advancing close to his airfield. They were so close that he could drop his bombs, fly back, get rearmed with the engine running, take off and be back over the target in like 20 minutes. When his plane had mechanical trouble or got damaged, he would take another pilot's plane. By the end of the day none of their planes were flyable. The ground crews stayed up all night fixing them and he repeated the process the next day. He is actually credited with shooting down a half dozen Russian planes in his Stuka. But by the end of the war he was flying an FW-190. Like I said the book was an interesting read. My guess is if someone fact checked it, they'd find he painted himself in a better light than he deserved. |
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very cool... I have never seen that although I did read they were planned for the Graf Zeppelin thanks for sharing |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just because it's a cool word. "Stuka" Somebody should make a Stuka truck or something. http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/ww2colorphotos/blitzkrieg/th%20Ju%2087%20Stuka.jpg http://www.hot.ee/kolmasreich/Lennukid/Lennukid.index_failid/image010.jpg my favorite plane I love the sound it makes  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCB8ZVxKqyIThen of course there was the "one man army" Hans-Ulrich Rudel. Check out his kills: Read the description under the video...amazing. |
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Just because it's a cool word.
"Stuka" Somebody should make a Stuka truck or something. Ssssch-tuk-ah. The new Ssssschtooka pick up. Bomb on down to the Farm and Seed and cart that load of hay back home in it. Dive in to work with that load of bricks in the back. Scream around town in style with the full leather option designed by Hugo Boss. Special Luftwaffe gray paint scheme only available limited time in certain locations. Your mileage may vary. Dealer retains all rebates. 
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Quoted: Just because it's a cool word. "Stuka" Somebody should make a Stuka truck or something. Ssssch-tuk-ah. The new Ssssschtooka pick up. Bomb on down to the Farm and Seed and cart that load of hay back home in it. Dive in to work with that load of bricks in the back. Scream around town in style with the full leather option designed by Hugo Boss. Special Luftwaffe gray paint scheme only available limited time in certain locations. Your mileage may vary. Dealer retains all rebates. You want a deal, we say Jawhol! |
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There's two left in the world. One in Chicago and the other in London. I've seen them both. The airframe is of course hanging from the ceiling in the Museum of science and industry, sans engine. The Engine for this paticular Stuka used to be on display in one of the dark nooks of the museum of science and industry. It was sitting out where you could touch it like the old steam engines on display. There is a hole blown in the side of the engine, and naturally I shoved my hand right into one of the combustion chambers. I got stuka blood on my hand. It was pretty cool. I tried to explain to my wife the significance of the greasy carbon on my hand. 
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