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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:33:41 AM EDT
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No one could have predicted this.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:36:27 AM EDT
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 my shocked face.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:36:40 AM EDT
[#3]
If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to.
Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. 
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:38:19 AM EDT
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Android > Apple
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:39:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. +1 Apple should have taken charge. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:40:06 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. LoL, no it would not have. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:41:57 AM EDT
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 my shocked face.FIFY |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:42:18 AM EDT
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It was going to happen sooner or later. Just let me know when I should pop my dust covers
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:42:39 AM EDT
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LoL, no it would not have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. LoL, no it would not have. Agreed |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:43:23 AM EDT
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Android > Apple Like Android is more secure 
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:44:28 AM EDT
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No shit.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:44:34 AM EDT
[#12]
Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:46:41 AM EDT
[#13]
Government over reach?
No way! |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:46:59 AM EDT
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If a device is seized, what stops them from being wiped remotely?
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:47:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. They have to figure out what bug they found to get into it first. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:47:50 AM EDT
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Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. I thought they put out a patch already? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:47:54 AM EDT
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Apple is already working to harden their encryption and render the cracking technique used ineffective. The FBI and other agencies need to strike while the iron is hot and do the exploit while they still can. They know that, apple knows that.
And no, Android is not superior or more secure than iOS. Any device can be cracked. Its only a matter of time an effort. So it becomes a game of cat and mouse- new OS with new security requires new techniques, so then the OS is rebuilt to counter those new techniques. The Cycle will go on. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:48:44 AM EDT
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Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. This. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:49:00 AM EDT
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I'm shocked, shocked I say....
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:50:36 AM EDT
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I believe it's all a ruse to protect Apple from terrorist and customer retribution for having given the FBI whatever it wants----like everyone else does.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:51:52 AM EDT
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If a device is seized, what stops them from being wiped remotely? If the device is isolated from the network, the wipe command is never received. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:52:37 AM EDT
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LoL, no it would not have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. LoL, no it would not have. This, they would just have an Apple employee with stacks of phones and court orders to unlock them Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:52:56 AM EDT
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It will be interesting to see if Apple gets away with defying the government on this.
Even with the money and resources that Apple has, they have gotta expect a full court press of various agencies crawling up one side of their ass and down the other in upcoming years. Also: Given that Apple has traditionally been a darling of the left and somewhat immune to the anti corporate attitude, I wonder if talking points will be distributed lumping them in with the other "evils" like Wall Street firms and oil companies. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:53:03 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. Man, I'm on this street corner, and I need some money. I'm getting my life together, but I need money to buy one more crack rock. I swear I'll be buying just one more, I'll enjoy it, then I'll get cleaned up and enroll in medical school. I just need one more crack rock, and that will be it--forever. I swear! |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:53:45 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. Who's to say this isn't just elaborate Kabuki theater? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:54:42 AM EDT
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I am considering an apple device in sign of support.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they put out a patch already? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. I thought they put out a patch already? So, has the crack, hole, bug, patch, technique, whatever, been publicized yet? Or are people still standing around scratching their noggins, trying to figure out what happened? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:55:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. This. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:56:40 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. I can see it going that way, IF they stayed true to their word. However, in reality, they would have just used the information from Apple to create their own technique to take advantage of the exploit and then said "We didn't do it according to directions from Apple, you see....we used our own technique". If America was still all about the 4th of July and Mom's apple pie and you could trust them, I think Apple would have cooperated, however...Customs is going to be using this exploit on a Nike shoe counterfeiter's phone by Christmas. Which is exactly what they were fighting. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:57:22 AM EDT
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I've found the perfect solution to the cell phone security problem.
I don't have one. 
That said, is anyone familiar with the Blackphone 2, and how it stacks up against the Apple/Android products regarding crackability? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:58:25 AM EDT
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"Just this once, for the special circumstance of terrorism and a matter of national security."
"Just this once, for providing evidence for a murder trial." "Just this once, to recover evidence against a notorious drug dealer." "Just this once, to gather photos of a kid with a bag of weed." "Just this once, to retrieve a photo of a subject with a prohibited firearm magazine." "Just this once, to show you were illegally parked." |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:00:06 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. Apple not being complicit in this doesn't really change the fact of Cellebrite's existence, or the apparent relative ease in which Cellebrite was able to breach the security of the device. It's a plus for Apple too, as now they have the exploit and they can work on getting it fixed. I really think it's a given that the government would have went down this path anyways. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:01:59 AM EDT
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So, has the crack, hole, bug, patch, technique, whatever, been publicized yet? Or are people still standing around scratching their noggins, trying to figure out what happened? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. I thought they put out a patch already? So, has the crack, hole, bug, patch, technique, whatever, been publicized yet? Or are people still standing around scratching their noggins, trying to figure out what happened? Last I read they were somehow about to bypass the 10 guess and then wipe limit and also bypass the increasing time between each guess feature. At that point they brute forced their way in by guessing password combos. Don't think Apple knows how they bypassed those features yet. Or at least they are not saying they know how. Probably won't say anything until they release the patch to close the hole. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:05:17 AM EDT
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If a device is seized, what stops them from being wiped remotely? Cops stuff it in a isolation/faraday bag......... |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:06:58 AM EDT
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That is comparing Apples and Oranges(Pun intended). It should have been pretty obvious that once the FBI cracked one phone, then it would crack others. By NOT cracking the phone for the FBI, Apple actually made the situation worse because now the FBI knows how to crack the phone. But I do agree with Apple in that they should not be required to put a "Back Door" into their software.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:07:09 AM EDT
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Android > Apple because nobody needs help cracking an Android device.... |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:08:44 AM EDT
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because nobody needs help cracking an Android device.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Android > Apple because nobody needs help cracking an Android device.... 
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:09:33 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. It's my understanding that the FBI wanted Apple to provide a program to allow the FBI to open the phone. They didn't ask Apple to open just this one phone for them. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:09:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the device is isolated from the network, the wipe command is never received. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If a device is seized, what stops them from being wiped remotely? If the device is isolated from the network, the wipe command is never received. From there, they just need to keep it away from known wireless networks and open wireless networks. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:10:30 AM EDT
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Do we believe they suddenly became adept at cracking these phones?
What day did they accomplish this? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:10:42 AM EDT
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They have to figure out what bug they found to get into it first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. They have to figure out what bug they found to get into it first. It's not necessarily a "Bug". If you apply enough effort then you can get into anything.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:11:23 AM EDT
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. Then nobody would know their ability to crack the phones. Now, at least, we know they can do it. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:12:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. Man that's rich! You got jokes! Funniest shit I've heard all day! They'd have a stack of phones in two days to crack. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:13:27 AM EDT
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"Just this once, for the special circumstance of terrorism and a matter of national security." "Just this once, for providing evidence for a murder trial." "Just this once, to recover evidence against a notorious drug dealer." "Just this once, to gather photos of a kid with a bag of weed." "Just this once, to retrieve a photo of a subject with a prohibited firearm magazine." "Just this once, to show you were illegally parked." ZACTLY!!! Don't forget "if you got nothing to hide, then you'll be fine". |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:13:50 AM EDT
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McAfee had gone on TV saying it was a simple thing to do. Maybe he ended up helping
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:14:38 AM EDT
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I've found the perfect solution to the cell phone security problem. I don't have one.
That said, is anyone familiar with the Blackphone 2, and how it stacks up against the Apple/Android products regarding crackability? W...T...H??? You even land line bro? How can one even exist without being chained to a cell phone any more? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:15:53 AM EDT
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Apple will fix the problem in their next iOS release. Thats what I was thinking |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:17:26 AM EDT
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Days after ability to crack phone announced, they're already using the cracking ability for non national security investigation. By James Queally and Richard Winton March 30, 2016, 5:43 PM The FBI has agreed to help prosecutors gain access to an iPhone 6 and an iPod that might hold evidence in an Arkansas murder trial, just days after the agency managed to hack an iPhone linked to the San Bernardino terror attacks, a local prosecutor said Wednesday. Cody Hiland, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' 20th Judicial District, said that the FBI's Little Rock field office had agreed to help his office gain access to a pair of locked devices owned by two of the suspects in the slayings of Robert and Patricia Cogdell. It doesn't matter the manner in which they would have gained the ability to crack the phone and under what agreement with Apple.....once they got the crack, even if from Apple, it was open season. So the exploit also worked on the iPhone6 with the added security Apple was supposed to have in place? I wonder if it was done with some DFU mode hack ETA: I think if Apple had did it and shut up about it wouldn't have made the news. Now that agencies know it can be done without Apple. Every agency is going to want to know how it was done. I suspect that the exploit to do it has been around for a while too |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:18:17 AM EDT
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LoL, no it would not have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Apple would have helped them, this is just me here, then the whole thing would have been 1 phone and hushed if and how they were able to. Now that the fed's have supposedly did it without Apple...there will be national training on how they did it with the rest of DOJ/DHS components. Just my 2 cents.. LoL, no it would not have. You mean like the 70+ times in the past they helped them? Yet they decide to take a stand on a terrorist's government owned phone after a horrific terror attack that got national and world wide attention...Apple turned and used this event to break past accepted practice and appease their leftist base. But hey, keep thinking your way with no merit. Now, Apple has no say/ input. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 11:19:34 AM EDT
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So tell me how them cracking that Iphone is any different from them seizing and hacking computers and hard drives from criminals.
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