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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:31:56 PM EDT
http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2016/03/can_you_tell_which_gun_is_a_fake_neither_can_a_cop.html#incart_river_home March 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, updated March 13, 2016 at 9:51 AM WOOLWICH TWP. — When Cpl. Chris Gregory and Ptl. Matt Boyko first found the gun, they didn't know what they were dealing with. Sure, the suspect had told them it was a BB gun, but at first glance, there was no way to tell the difference. "When [Boyko] recovered it, I was standing 5 feet away," said Gregory. "I couldn't tell it was a fake." It all began with a routine traffic stop at 3:45 on Tuesday, just a few hundred yards from the Woolwich municipal building. A license plate reader had indicated the driver's license was suspended, and the officers said they smelled marijuana as they approached the vehicle. When they asked the man to get out of his car, the driver, whose name was not released, told them he had a BB gun tucked in his waistband. The officers handcuffed the driver and detained the two other occupants of the car, though police noted that the passengers were not arrested. Police confiscated the gun without incident, and the man was charged with unlawful possession of an imitation firearm, possession of an imitation firearm for an unlawful purpose and possession of a small amount of marijuana. In short, everything went right. The next day, Det. Chris Beckett posted a photo on the department's Facebook page. The picture shows two guns sitting side by side, with a handful of cartridges scattered on the table. The goal of the post, he said, was to give people a real-life example of the challenges police officers face in the line of duty. "We want to have an open relationship with the public," Beckett said. "They back us a lot of the time, and we want them to know what we do." A few of those who responded got the question wrong completely, while several more admitted they had no idea (we'll get to the answer in a moment). <...story continues at link above...> NO CHEATING correct answer is on page 2 in this post: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1847919_real_9mm_pistol_vs_fake_BB_gun_replica____can_you_tell_which_is_which_.html&page=2#i58776848 |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:35:14 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway.
a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:35:39 PM EDT
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http://ziva.losdos.dyndns.org/public/misc/real-vs-fake.jpg http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2016/03/can_you_tell_which_gun_is_a_fake_neither_can_a_cop.html#incart_river_home March 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, updated March 13, 2016 at 9:51 AM WOOLWICH TWP. — When Cpl. Chris Gregory and Ptl. Matt Boyko first found the gun, they didn't know what they were dealing with. Sure, the suspect had told them it was a BB gun, but at first glance, there was no way to tell the difference. "When [Boyko] recovered it, I was standing 5 feet away," said Gregory. "I couldn't tell it was a fake." It all began with a routine traffic stop at 3:45 on Tuesday, just a few hundred yards from the Woolwich municipal building. A license plate reader had indicated the driver's license was suspended, and the officers said they smelled marijuana as they approached the vehicle. When they asked the man to get out of his car, the driver, whose name was not released, told them he had a BB gun tucked in his waistband. The officers handcuffed the driver and detained the two other occupants of the car, though police noted that the passengers were not arrested. Police confiscated the gun without incident, and the man was charged with unlawful possession of an imitation firearm, possession of an imitation firearm for an unlawful purpose and possession of a small amount of marijuana. In short, everything went right. The next day, Det. Chris Beckett posted a photo on the department's Facebook page. The picture shows two guns sitting side by side, with a handful of cartridges scattered on the table. The goal of the post, he said, was to give people a real-life example of the challenges police officers face in the line of duty. "We want to have an open relationship with the public," Beckett said. "They back us a lot of the time, and we want them to know what we do." A few of those who responded got the question wrong completely, while several more admitted they had no idea (we'll get to the answer in a moment). <...story continues at link above...> That's a thing?  Fuck New Jersey.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:36:54 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:37:05 PM EDT
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the one on the right looks real.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:37:36 PM EDT
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Hard to tell - Imagine finding it on a suspect, at night, by yourself, right after a call of "suspect fleeing the scene of a robbery - possibly armed".
And then you have all the "Mah babeh dindunuffin" when someone gets shot and killed by police because said person was armed with what looked like a gun and in fact was an airsoft/pellet/bb/fake gun. I would've consider this to be an actual gun until known otherwise. Dangerous world out there. Stay safe. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:37:55 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:38:03 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:38:44 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. Not a Glock - Smith & Wesson M&P Shield. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:38:54 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. holy shit. what department do you work for? 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:39:25 PM EDT
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The gun on the right is an actual Shield. The gun on the left is a BB gun. S&W doesn't make an M&P 90. And the front sight is wonky.
But it would be damned hard to tell at 7 yards. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:39:55 PM EDT
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FPN.......wait
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:40:49 PM EDT
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I smell some good trollin in this thread
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:41:12 PM EDT
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The gun on the right is an actual Shield. The gun on the left is a BB gun. S&W doesn't make an M&P 90. And the front sight is wonky. But it would be damned hard to tell at 7 yards. Yeah its a pretty good replica. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:41:49 PM EDT
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The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. The gun on the left is a M&P Compact, the gun on the right is a M&P9 Shield. I would guess the rightmost gun is the fake. ETA: M&P90? or M&P9C? 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:42:34 PM EDT
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Yeah its a pretty good replica. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The gun on the right is an actual Shield. The gun on the left is a BB gun. S&W doesn't make an M&P 90. And the front sight is wonky. But it would be damned hard to tell at 7 yards. Yeah its a pretty good replica. Now if only I could find a G19 Airsoft made that well
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:43:11 PM EDT
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The one on the right is clearly the real one. You can see the space underneath the whole length of the slide on it.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:43:44 PM EDT
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The gun on the right is an actual Shield. The gun on the left is a BB gun. S&W doesn't make an M&P 90. And the front sight is wonky. But it would be damned hard to tell at 7 yards. It says '9c'. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:44:25 PM EDT
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The gun on the left is a M&P Compact, the gun on the right is a M&P9 Shield. I would guess the rightmost gun is the fake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. The gun on the left is a M&P Compact, the gun on the right is a M&P9 Shield. I would guess the rightmost gun is the fake. You made me look again because what I thought was "M&P 90" must be "M&P 9C" but I still think the left is the replica. The burnishing on the sharp edges make me think it's aluminum under the black. None of the M&Ps I've owned and carried did that. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:44:34 PM EDT
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The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. The real M&P9c says stainless on it. that is also how the mag looks 
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:47:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The gun on the right is an actual Shield. The gun on the left is a BB gun. S&W doesn't make an M&P 90. And the front sight is wonky. But it would be damned hard to tell at 7 yards. It says "M&P 9c"... and it's plainly obvious. You can tell by the pins and take down lever. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:51:02 PM EDT
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That's a thing? Fuck New Jersey.
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http://ziva.losdos.dyndns.org/public/misc/real-vs-fake.jpg http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2016/03/can_you_tell_which_gun_is_a_fake_neither_can_a_cop.html#incart_river_home March 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, updated March 13, 2016 at 9:51 AM WOOLWICH TWP. — When Cpl. Chris Gregory and Ptl. Matt Boyko first found the gun, they didn't know what they were dealing with. Sure, the suspect had told them it was a BB gun, but at first glance, there was no way to tell the difference. "When [Boyko] recovered it, I was standing 5 feet away," said Gregory. "I couldn't tell it was a fake." It all began with a routine traffic stop at 3:45 on Tuesday, just a few hundred yards from the Woolwich municipal building. A license plate reader had indicated the driver's license was suspended, and the officers said they smelled marijuana as they approached the vehicle. When they asked the man to get out of his car, the driver, whose name was not released, told them he had a BB gun tucked in his waistband. The officers handcuffed the driver and detained the two other occupants of the car, though police noted that the passengers were not arrested. Police confiscated the gun without incident, and the man was charged with unlawful possession of an imitation firearm, possession of an imitation firearm for an unlawful purpose and possession of a small amount of marijuana. In short, everything went right. The next day, Det. Chris Beckett posted a photo on the department's Facebook page. The picture shows two guns sitting side by side, with a handful of cartridges scattered on the table. The goal of the post, he said, was to give people a real-life example of the challenges police officers face in the line of duty. "We want to have an open relationship with the public," Beckett said. "They back us a lot of the time, and we want them to know what we do." A few of those who responded got the question wrong completely, while several more admitted they had no idea (we'll get to the answer in a moment). <...story continues at link above...> That's a thing? Fuck New Jersey.
right! http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/WEAPONS/LAWS/MS.HTM Mississippi: State Firearms Laws ... Antiques & Replicas Mississippi statutes are silent on antique and replica firearms. They are treated as ordinary firearms. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:52:35 PM EDT
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Right is fake.
Trigger looks off to me. Also the TD lever. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:52:40 PM EDT
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right! http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/WEAPONS/LAWS/MS.HTM Mississippi: State Firearms Laws ... Antiques & Replicas Mississippi statutes are silent on antique and replica firearms. They are treated as ordinary firearms. The difference is NJ would actually prosecute someone for it, MS wouldn't. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:55:50 PM EDT
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both of those guns look real to me. The one on the right is a shield, they don't have the "stainless" marking on the slide. The M&P air pistols don't have trigger safeties.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:55:55 PM EDT
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mag release on the left gun doesn't look right.. it also appears to missing the roll pin in front of the take down lever..
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:56:41 PM EDT
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I am a person who doesnt believe that 'more laws fix problems'. I do, however, believe all toy guns should be painted toy-gun colors and not made to look like real guns. Same goes for real guns. Cant be made to look like toys.
It would help alleviate the problem of kids getting shot by us. It would also help if the crackheads would teach their kids 'dont ever ever ever point a gun, toy or real' at anybody else. Especially the cops |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:56:46 PM EDT
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http://ziva.losdos.dyndns.org/public/misc/real-vs-fake.jpg http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2016/03/can_you_tell_which_gun_is_a_fake_neither_can_a_cop.html#incart_river_home March 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, updated March 13, 2016 at 9:51 AM WOOLWICH TWP. — When Cpl. Chris Gregory and Ptl. Matt Boyko first found the gun, they didn't know what they were dealing with. Sure, the suspect had told them it was a BB gun, but at first glance, there was no way to tell the difference. "When [Boyko] recovered it, I was standing 5 feet away," said Gregory. "I couldn't tell it was a fake." It all began with a routine traffic stop at 3:45 on Tuesday, just a few hundred yards from the Woolwich municipal building. A license plate reader had indicated the driver's license was suspended, and the officers said they smelled marijuana as they approached the vehicle. When they asked the man to get out of his car, the driver, whose name was not released, told them he had a BB gun tucked in his waistband. The officers handcuffed the driver and detained the two other occupants of the car, though police noted that the passengers were not arrested. Police confiscated the gun without incident, and the man was charged with unlawful possession of an imitation firearm, possession of an imitation firearm for an unlawful purpose and possession of a small amount of marijuana. In short, everything went right. The next day, Det. Chris Beckett posted a photo on the department's Facebook page. The picture shows two guns sitting side by side, with a handful of cartridges scattered on the table. The goal of the post, he said, was to give people a real-life example of the challenges police officers face in the line of duty. "We want to have an open relationship with the public," Beckett said. "They back us a lot of the time, and we want them to know what we do." A few of those who responded got the question wrong completely, while several more admitted they had no idea (we'll get to the answer in a moment). <...story continues at link above...> That's a thing? Fuck New Jersey.
right! http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/WEAPONS/LAWS/MS.HTM Mississippi: State Firearms Laws ... Antiques & Replicas Mississippi statutes are silent on antique and replica firearms. They are treated as ordinary firearms. I have lived here all my life and I NEVER heard of anybody arrested for possession of a replica firearm. I think this is interpreted to mean firing replicas like Ubertis. Even then its not enforced. Cap and ball revolvers and Hawken replicas are sold over the counter to any one over 18. I have heard of one occasion where a felon got a tack on charge for felon in possession after he pointed a muzzleloader at someone. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:56:56 PM EDT
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The real M&P9 says stainless on it. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/smith_wesson/m_p_9c_ct/1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. The real M&P9 says stainless on it. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/smith_wesson/m_p_9c_ct/1.jpg Edit: Apparently I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. Learned something new about M&Ps today. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 2:57:14 PM EDT
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Reminds me of this.........
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:00:48 PM EDT
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I correctly guesses the one on the left was the BB gun. Not a big deal the point is though that I had to look at them for a good thirty seconds to make that guess.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:02:31 PM EDT
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Any wannabe thug carrying that shit in his pants deserves to be shot on the spot. The only possible reason to carry a real looking fake gun would be to intimidate/rob people you didn't expect to be carrying their own real gun.
Stupid waste of air |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:03:36 PM EDT
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. Lol. The M&P9c on the left is fake. The shield on the right is real. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:05:12 PM EDT
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No there are definitely black slide M&P pistols that say stainless on them.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:06:24 PM EDT
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The one on the left is a M&P9 c and the one on the right is a m&p shield. 2 different guns that both appear real.
ETA my m&p 9c says stainless on the slide and is all black |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:06:47 PM EDT
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the one on the right looks real. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:08:16 PM EDT
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Except that's not a stainless slide. This is what a stainless MP9c stainless looks like. https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/03/266580_01_s_w_m_p9c_special_edition_two__640.jpg This is what a MP9C NON stainless looks like http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/206304_01_lg.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. The real M&P9 says stainless on it. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/smith_wesson/m_p_9c_ct/1.jpg Except that's not a stainless slide. This is what a stainless MP9c stainless looks like. https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/03/266580_01_s_w_m_p9c_special_edition_two__640.jpg This is what a MP9C NON stainless looks like http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/206304_01_lg.jpg With all due respect you dont know what your talking about short of googling images. S&W does indeed have Black slides that are stainless from the factory and they are indeed stamped stainless. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:09:46 PM EDT
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I'm normally pretty good at spotting the fake. I missed this one.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:11:52 PM EDT
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Common, go to any pawn shop in the bad part of town and look at all the airsoft pistols in the the display cabinet.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:13:06 PM EDT
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I don't care which, someone pulls either on me....I'm shooting them until they fall over or until they drop it. Whichever happens first.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:14:42 PM EDT
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I don't care which, someone pulls either on me....I'm shooting them until they fall over or until they drop it. Whichever happens first. +1 Don't care. Bang-bang---bang. Kharn |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:14:49 PM EDT
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With all due respect you dont know what your talking about short of googling images. S&W does indeed have Black slides that are stainless from the factory and they are indeed stamped stainless. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the right is the bb gun, my guess anyway. a few things don't look right and glocks don't have safeties. The one on the left is it. First is says "Stainless" on the side and look at the magazine, its not right. ETA: Not Glocks, S&W M&Ps. Also, I read the article. It is the one on the left. The real M&P9 says stainless on it. http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/smith_wesson/m_p_9c_ct/1.jpg Except that's not a stainless slide. This is what a stainless MP9c stainless looks like. https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/01/03/266580_01_s_w_m_p9c_special_edition_two__640.jpg This is what a MP9C NON stainless looks like http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/206304_01_lg.jpg With all due respect you dont know what your talking about short of googling images. S&W does indeed have Black slides that are stainless from the factory and they are indeed stamped stainless. Why the hell would S&W paint a stainless slide black? I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious as to why they would do that when they can matte blue a standard slide. Doesn't make sense to me. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Posting before I read all the comments.
I'm guessing the one on the right is fake because the backstrap isn't removable. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:16:49 PM EDT
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I actually don't know from looking.
A quick function check would clear up any confusion. Orange tips? |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:19:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:22:18 PM EDT
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"unlawful possession of an imitation firearm"
Are you serious!? 
Don't get me wrong, sounds like the officers did a good job with the arrest, but THAT is a bull shit charge that shouldn't exist! |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:23:56 PM EDT
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Clearly the real one is the one that doesn't say "M&P 9 Shield" [imp]http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_freak.gif[/imp] The one on the left is the BB gun. I have a m&p9c in my hand right now. "the gun pictured on the left" The one on the left is identical in every way to my real gun. With the magazine inserted it even fills the gap in above the slide release identical to the pic. I am wondering if the cops put in 2 real guns in the photo or that the fake is identical but has a toy barrel and fire group. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:25:15 PM EDT
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Not a fan of the M&P series, but even I knew that Smith has blackened stainless slides.
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:27:24 PM EDT
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No there are definitely black slide M&P pistols that say stainless on them. Is it painted? If it really is stainless, it's not blued I know that much. |
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Posted: 3/13/2016 3:27:47 PM EDT
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The one on the left is real. See the seam at the base of the grip where the takedown tool is attached? The M&P Compact is identical to that. The one on the right does not have this seam and the removable grips don't have a tail like the one on the right.
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