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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:16:39 AM EDT
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. 
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:18:53 AM EDT
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words.
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:19:44 AM EDT
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They want to know who he flocks with...ya know birds of a feather flock together.
Does he hang with a reputable crowd or not? Their rules, like em or not. What are you gonna do about it? |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:21:41 AM EDT
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words. I hope so. The south will rise again...we just needed more help. The people are starting to come around |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:22:52 AM EDT
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They want to know who he flocks with...ya know birds of a feather flock together. Does he hang with a reputable crowd or not? Their rules, like em or not. What are you gonna do about it? Well, he does associate with OP. 
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:23:55 AM EDT
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Quoted:<snip> This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. Nope. All good people of NY should move away and help crash that state's tax base. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:24:04 AM EDT
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Which county?
All my character references only got short phone calls. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:26:41 AM EDT
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. You're being asked if your friend is a person of ill repute or associates with people of ill repute. The permit holder is supposed to be a person of good character In my experience, 99% of the people answering those form letters all say the same thing The NY permit process needs to be revamped and the character reference system changed. No one uses a reference who will say something negative Many people after doing a few character references for friends will refuse to do it again. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:27:55 AM EDT
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Answer that question "Yes, I remember him going to a Cuomo fundraiser." |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:29:52 AM EDT
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Funny stuff except for it being real.
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:31:42 AM EDT
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You're being asked if your friend is a person of ill repute or associates with people of ill repute. The permit holder is supposed to be a person of good character In my experience, 99% of the people answering those form letters all say the same thing The NY permit process needs to be revamped and the character reference system changed. No one uses a reference who will say something negative Many people after doing a few character references for friends will refuse to do it again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. You're being asked if your friend is a person of ill repute or associates with people of ill repute. The permit holder is supposed to be a person of good character In my experience, 99% of the people answering those form letters all say the same thing The NY permit process needs to be revamped and the character reference system changed. No one uses a reference who will say something negative Many people after doing a few character references for friends will refuse to do it again. You would think the background check and fingerprinting would be more than acceptable. Someone told me in Tompkins that you actually have to have your references to into the sheriffs office to do their paperwork, how much of a pain in the ass is that for everyone. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:35:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. All good people of NY should move away and help crash that state's tax base. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:<snip> This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. Nope. All good people of NY should move away and help crash that state's tax base. They used to run ads in Syracuse in the airport at Christmas time begging people who were home visiting family to move back. meanwhile the cops out by Utica arrested some poor schlub who was home visiting his family over Christmas because he had an unregistered pistol, ATTACK OF THE BAN STATE COPS!! lol |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:35:47 AM EDT
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Antiquated old crony bullshit system.
It would die in 5 minutes if all politicians running for public office were required to go thru the same level of BS scrutiny. Character references is a bag of dicks. A permit to possess a handgun is more bullshit. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:47:26 AM EDT
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I don't recall needing to list references to obtain my carry permit in Florida or Virginia when I lived there.
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:53:46 AM EDT
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words. They want to control the rest of us, the other states will be the ones to have to secede from their union. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 10:56:26 AM EDT
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Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:00:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:04:03 AM EDT
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words. succeed at what? |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:04:07 AM EDT
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FPNI, as usual.
And what is this 'Permit' that you speak of?  |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:06:42 AM EDT
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Yankee's gonna Yank.
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:12:48 AM EDT
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Do these character questionnaire's shift liability for a claim against a person because they filled them out?
I assume this is part of a background check that the state requires for a permit. Now the state is involving citizens in the process. Does this become a liability issue? You can't sue a gun manufacturer. You can't sue the government. Well, you can but it will be a huge effort. So what about the guy that filled out the questionnaire vouching for the character of a person? |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:16:46 AM EDT
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I think people in other states don't get how many people in NY just never bother getting a handgun, even if they would just buy a .38 to throw in the sock drawer. The application process is a pain in the ass. I think I filled out less paperwork to apply to the NY Bar Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. On point. For me, I waited a few years after I turned 21 to go through the process. Since the application cost around $150 and cash was tight, and I would likely only get a "restricted" license (own, but not carry), there wasn't much point. Why would I pay that much just to own another type of weapon? If I was concerned for home defense, I could get a pump action shotgun for hardly any more than the price of the application. Now, after recent attacks in recent years, I'm quite set on getting a CCW. If they don't give it to me, I'll be a tad pissed. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:22:20 AM EDT
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On point. For me, I waited a few years after I turned 21 to go through the process. Since the application cost around $150 and cash was tight, and I would likely only get a "restricted" license (own, but not carry), there wasn't much point. Why would I pay that much just to own another type of weapon? If I was concerned for home defense, I could get a pump action shotgun for hardly any more than the price of the application. Now, after recent attacks in recent years, I'm quite set on getting a CCW. If they don't give it to me, I'll be a tad pissed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. On point. For me, I waited a few years after I turned 21 to go through the process. Since the application cost around $150 and cash was tight, and I would likely only get a "restricted" license (own, but not carry), there wasn't much point. Why would I pay that much just to own another type of weapon? If I was concerned for home defense, I could get a pump action shotgun for hardly any more than the price of the application. Now, after recent attacks in recent years, I'm quite set on getting a CCW. If they don't give it to me, I'll be a tad pissed. Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. Cortland county is unrestricted, unless you ask for a restricted one. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:22:53 AM EDT
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. Well according to the left anybody in the military is of “undesirable quality" I mean if you don’t go to college you end up in Iraq. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:23:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. On point. For me, I waited a few years after I turned 21 to go through the process. Since the application cost around $150 and cash was tight, and I would likely only get a "restricted" license (own, but not carry), there wasn't much point. Why would I pay that much just to own another type of weapon? If I was concerned for home defense, I could get a pump action shotgun for hardly any more than the price of the application. Now, after recent attacks in recent years, I'm quite set on getting a CCW. If they don't give it to me, I'll be a tad pissed. Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:25:49 AM EDT
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Huh? Over on NYfirearms I thought I read that in a lot of upstate counties that don't issue unrestricted, you just have to write a letter to get one. Not sure of the validity of that though. I know over in Chenengo you have to take a CCW class before issuing unrestricted. The whole county run permit system is stupid, it sucks how they all have different rules. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:27:36 AM EDT
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What happens if you note your friend knows Governor Cuomo?
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:28:06 AM EDT
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Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. Cortland county is unrestricted, unless you ask for a restricted one. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. On point. For me, I waited a few years after I turned 21 to go through the process. Since the application cost around $150 and cash was tight, and I would likely only get a "restricted" license (own, but not carry), there wasn't much point. Why would I pay that much just to own another type of weapon? If I was concerned for home defense, I could get a pump action shotgun for hardly any more than the price of the application. Now, after recent attacks in recent years, I'm quite set on getting a CCW. If they don't give it to me, I'll be a tad pissed. Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. Cortland county is unrestricted, unless you ask for a restricted one. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." Madison County. Wasn't that bad until recently, now the judge won't give unrestricted to anyone. I like that advice though
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:29:42 AM EDT
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom.
no LMAO, OP you should try stand up... 
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:31:30 AM EDT
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Someone told me in Tompkins that you actually have to have your references to into the sheriffs office to do their paperwork, how much of a pain in the ass is that for everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Someone told me in Tompkins that you actually have to have your references to into the sheriffs office to do their paperwork, how much of a pain in the ass is that for everyone. No, the forms get mailed to the references The references may choose to personally drop them off at the office as a matter of convenience Quoted:
Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. That's changing even here I have a few customers who've had their restrictions lifted by writing a letter to the judge Quoted:
meanwhile the cops out by Utica arrested some poor schlub who was home visiting his family over Christmas because he had an unregistered pistol, ATTACK OF THE BAN STATE COPS!! lol The permit requirement predates SAFE by a century, and like it or not the permits a requirement Arrest is one tool in the tool belt We picked up a guy the other day with an unregistered handgun and a FL carry permit and we're going the amnesty route with him. And it's not the first time. Everyone points to the arrests without realizing how many times the alternatives get used. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:32:51 AM EDT
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words. we can only hope |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 11:33:40 AM EDT
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Answer that question "Yes, I remember him going to a Cuomo fundraiser." I would die laughing |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 12:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, the forms get mailed to the references The references may choose to personally drop them off at the office as a matter of convenience That's changing even here I have a few customers who've had their restrictions lifted by writing a letter to the judge The permit requirement predates SAFE by a century, and like it or not the permits a requirement Arrest is one tool in the tool belt We picked up a guy the other day with an unregistered handgun and a FL carry permit and we're going the amnesty route with him. And it's not the first time. Everyone points to the arrests without realizing how many times the alternatives get used. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Someone told me in Tompkins that you actually have to have your references to into the sheriffs office to do their paperwork, how much of a pain in the ass is that for everyone. No, the forms get mailed to the references The references may choose to personally drop them off at the office as a matter of convenience Quoted: Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. That's changing even here I have a few customers who've had their restrictions lifted by writing a letter to the judge Quoted: meanwhile the cops out by Utica arrested some poor schlub who was home visiting his family over Christmas because he had an unregistered pistol, ATTACK OF THE BAN STATE COPS!! lol The permit requirement predates SAFE by a century, and like it or not the permits a requirement Arrest is one tool in the tool belt We picked up a guy the other day with an unregistered handgun and a FL carry permit and we're going the amnesty route with him. And it's not the first time. Everyone points to the arrests without realizing how many times the alternatives get used. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 12:28:10 PM EDT
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succeed at what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words. succeed at what? success |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 12:29:44 PM EDT
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"Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" = NY Politicians.
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Posted: 3/1/2016 12:30:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think people in other states don't get how many people in NY just never bother getting a handgun, even if they would just buy a .38 to throw in the sock drawer. The application process is a pain in the ass. I think I filled out less paperwork to apply to the NY Bar Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. I did a character reference letter for a friend whose an attorney in Minnesota. The whole time I'm thinking... "character reference to be admitted to the Bar - they already know he's a lawyer!" |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 12:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did a character reference letter for a friend whose an attorney in Minnesota. The whole time I'm thinking... "character reference to be admitted to the Bar - they already know he's a lawyer!" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Antiquated old crony bullshit system. And a 3-6-9-15 month wait to get a permit is another way for the state to discourage people from OWNING handguns. I had a 6 month waiting period just to review my application with the pistol office and SUBMIT it. It's absurd and you're absolutely right. The application is also so frustrating that it's easy to see how average folks would probably just give up. I did a character reference letter for a friend whose an attorney in Minnesota. The whole time I'm thinking... "character reference to be admitted to the Bar - they already know he's a lawyer!" I did have to go for a face to face interview but it was just some old guy lawyer who shook my hand |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:13:26 PM EDT
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Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. Cortland county is unrestricted, unless you ask for a restricted one. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." Holy shit that's bad advice! He just made himself party to a lawsuit from anyone who takes that advice. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:15:48 PM EDT
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Holy shit that's bad advice! He just made himself party to a lawsuit from anyone who takes that advice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which county? Unless it's tompkins you should be able to get a carry permit with a letter to the judge. Cortland county is unrestricted, unless you ask for a restricted one. The guy that did our class gave us the information for a few different ranges that are open 24 hours and require membership. He said "If you are in a non-carry county....I highly suggest getting a membership....and always be on the way to the range." Holy shit that's bad advice! He just made himself party to a lawsuit from anyone who takes that advice. The only punishment for carrying outside your restrictions are administrative. The worst they can do is revoke the permit. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:16:58 PM EDT
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The only two things Alabama requires for a permit is $20 and a face.
Besides not being a felon obviously |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:26:57 PM EDT
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom.
no Well that's a different twist. 
But FPNI again. Sorry op. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:30:14 PM EDT
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The entire NE/Mid-Atlantic area will succeed at some point. Mark my words. They are failing pretty hard right now. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:34:48 PM EDT
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Blacks sitting in the back of the bus was a requirement too. So now everything gov't does rises to the level of Blacks being forced to sit at the back of the bus? |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:35:29 PM EDT
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This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. While I don't recommend doing that, I do suggest people join NYSRPA and show a little support to those behind enemy lines. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:56:18 PM EDT
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Wow, here they did a back ground check and took my finger prints. Lifetime permit obtained 3 months later. Sorry OP NY is a goner.
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Posted: 3/1/2016 1:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now everything gov't does rises to the level of Blacks being forced to sit at the back of the bus? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Blacks sitting in the back of the bus was a requirement too. So now everything gov't does rises to the level of Blacks being forced to sit at the back of the bus? |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 2:19:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 2:22:13 PM EDT
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So I'm here in Central NY where our taxes fund NYC in exchange for them completely dominating our elections and imposing absurdly draconian, nanny-state laws for the largely rural area that makes up 90% of NY State. But I digress... I just got a letter in the mail from the Sheriff's office; it was a character reference form that I had been asked to fill out for a friend so that he, an active duty Army Officer with the 10th Mtn, can own a handgun (ridiculous right?). All of the questions were about as I expected: "Has this person ever been arrested?" "Does this individual abuse drugs?" "Does this individual engage in illegal activity?" (they asked about illegal stuff like 5 times lol.) Then there was this last question that really rubbed me the wrong way. "Does this individual engage with people of undesirable quality?" What the hell does that mean? Undesirable according to whom? Drug addicts? Homeless people? Democrats? Gruff farmers that speak primarily in profanity? Obviously they're trying to learn if this guy hangs out with gang bangers and whatnot, but damn does it read wrong. A person working a soup kitchen "engages with people of undesirable quality". So does a Cop. So does a nurse. And regardless, who the hell cares what his associations are? If he as an individual is in good standing, why should his associations be called in as reason to exclude him from owning a handgun? This state sucks. You all should move here and help sway the politics back towards freedom.
no The father in law has been trying to get me and the wife (his daughter) to move to the Rochester area. That's a big negative. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 2:23:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The father in law has been trying to get me and the wife (his daughter) to move to the Rochester area. That's a big negative. Quote HistoryQuoted: The father in law has been trying to get me and the wife (his daughter) to move to the Rochester area. That's a big negative. |
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