Posted: 4/25/2003 7:19:17 AM EDT
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For all of you out there in left field, who just don't seem to get it yet. Those who would be quick to forget , & move on with the Dixie Chicks. Let me try to clear this up for you a little bit. If the Chicks had said nothing at all, their popularity with with their country fan base, the Republican fan base for the most part, would not have moved them into a unfavorable position. If the Chicks had stood before an anti type crowd & instead said, It a sad day when America has to go to war because of terrorist threats, but were glad our allies the English are with us. It means a lot to us, & were glad to be here to play music for you. That's what we do best. No one would be upset with their words, & they would not be trying to fight their way out of a negative light, that they themselves have turned on. There are so many better choices they could have made than what they did. I have always tried to teach my child that if you make good choices there are rewards that come. If you make bad choices there are penalties that will come. These are grown women, not 5 year olds, so stop trying to add to the mentality of they paid the price for their bad choice, or at least 5 minutes of the 3 weeks of being grounded. What I'm trying to say is don't do the crime if you can't do the time. A concept that has gotten lost in America for some time now, being displayed now here for the Dixie Chicks. I can't forgive someone all the way until I see repentance, in other words they need to realize they did something wrong, & then apologize, & don't repeat the action further. In their interview with Diane Sawyer there was no forth coming apology, or repentance of any kind. Rather a snooty get over it America, this is who I am by Nat, & we stand by her from the other 2 girls. This is what we as Americans feel is unacceptable. The only thing that seems to really matter to them is damage control for their careers as singers in the country market. Just one more bull crap group of idiots saying the lie, we support our troops, but were against the war. That just painting a black lie with white paint to make it acceptable. No different than coating a ball of crap in good chocolate to make it palatable. |
| I would rather hear them say," we are sorry that we have been claiming to be country music singers when we really are lite rock singers. We aren't very tallented but have a good promoter and that's how we got famous. We have no clue about politics or world affairs and don't know why anybody would give what we say a second thought.We are going to go away now and never bother anyone again." |
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Mike Gallagher made a great observation this morning - [b]The Dixie Chicks just spent an HOUR on National Primetime TV complaining about how they don't have "free speech" because they're being criticized.[/b] Just WHO in this country has that kind of access to MILLIONS of people for an HOUR to pout, whine and cry about the fact that they're being criticized in a FREE SOCIETY for saying stupid shit. I didn't watch one second of their self-serving, self-promoting, hypocritical whine session (though I did read some of the transcript and heard a few cuts on the radio). [img]http://members.cox.net/the-macallan/MacsPics3/WHORES.jpg[/img] |
| Natalie Maines even used the all too familiar phrase of "the right wing". Alot of 'I'm smart but say stupid things so you can't hold me responsible' crap. Definitely a whine session that was being twisted into a BUT we're the victims here so pity us and start buying our records again cause WE'VE SUFFERED ENOUGH ALREADY! |
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SFT and Mac...bingo. One hour on Prime time to complain they have no free speech...boggles the mind at the absurdity. They still don't get it?? Fine...boycott the dog piss outta them and curse the very mention of their name when it comes up. They did not want forgiveness because they do not feel they've done anything wrong...dumasses. |
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Quoted: ...Just one more bull crap group of idiots saying the lie, we support our troops, but were against the war. That just painting a black lie with white paint to make it acceptable. No different than coating a ball of crap in good chocolate to make it palatable. I agree 100%. It's the same as the antis that claim: "we're not against gunowners, we just support 'SENSIBLE' gun laws." They are smart enough to appear to be reasonable, yet if you put them in charge, you can bet that day 2 in office you'd be living in a country with an all out ban on guns... Similarly I truly believe that most anti-war types, if given the opportunity, would disband the military all together. Some people are too short-sighted to see the folly of their beliefs... |
| Let me throw my 2 cents worth in on this. She or they made a comment at the time that some say was wrong. I won't get into whether it was or not. I think it is just as bad (or worse) for the comedians in this country to constantly bad mouth and make fun of the President. Leno is one that comes to mind right off. Why have they not been ridiculed as the Chics have? |
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This is a free country. The Chicks and a lot of other entertainers had the freedom to say what they wanted to say about the war, no one stopped them. Freedom also applies to those of us who disagree with the Chicks, Michael Moore and all the rest. We have the freedom to say, "you're a bunch of fucking idiots and we aren't going to buy your stuff anymore". I don't see where any of these people can say their freedom of speech has been violated. |
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Quoted: Let me throw my 2 cents worth in on this. She or they made a comment at the time that some say was wrong. I won't get into whether it was or not. I think it is just as bad (or worse) for the comedians in this country to constantly bad mouth and make fun of the President. Leno is one that comes to mind right off. Why have they not been ridiculed as the Chics have? The Chick's comment was made on the verge of war, in a foregn land, and was critical of the Commander in Chief- who would soon be sending American forces into harm's way. Conversely, after 9/11 Leno and others cancelled their shows and stopped the politically based humor that comprised much of their routines. They did this out of recognition that the criticism of the President was not appropriate on the heels of a national tragedy when his leadership was greatly needed. Do they sometimes cross the line? Sure but you're free to change the channel... Most of the comedians have a much better sense of timing- and in this case, propriety. |
| So I take it that if they had waited until the war was over (or before) and all our men and women were back, it would have been alright to make that statement. A statement or action shouldn't be judged right or wrong based on an event or a moment in time it was made. |
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Quoted: This is a free country. The Chicks and a lot of other entertainers had the freedom to say what they wanted to say about the war, no one stopped them. Freedom also applies to those of us who disagree with the Chicks, Michael Moore and all the rest. We have the freedom to say, "you're a bunch of fucking idiots and we aren't going to buy your stuff anymore". I don't see where any of these people can say their freedom of speech has been violated. Exactly. That's the main thing that I don't understand. They were free to say whatever they chose (and still are). And then they gripe because people stopping playing/buying their music (and saying that's a violation of free speech). Some people are so dense. What it appears is that the Dixie Chicks think they have a right to free speech and us commoners don't. CR |
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Sportshooter, Difference is, making fun of politicians is part of the job of comedians. This has been happening as long as I have been around, no matter who was in office. Although they might lean to the left a lot, the Democrats aren't spared, remember the Lewinski scandal? If you don't like Leno's comments (I don't like Leno at all myself because I don't think he's funny) then you can choose not to listen to him. NE223 nailed it. The Dixie chicks have the right to say whatever the hell they want, but we have the right to stop giving them our money or stop listening to their music. Freedom of speech is not freedom from being responsible of your words. You still have to face the consequences of your actions. It seems to me that the Dixie Chicks and all the other idiots had no problem at all speaking their minds (what little they have), the only problem came when they were suprised that their words did not INCREASE their popularity. So they took a hit in their pocketbooks, and that's what bothered them. So now their bitching and moaning that their right to free speech is being restricted by these boycotts, when all they really want is for more folks to buy their albums and go to see their movies. It's our RIGHT to boycott and to not give them our hard earned money. I get the feeling that if they had it their way, they would MAKE you buy their album, in support of their misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment. |
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I would have more respect for them if Maines had said "Yeah, our President really does embarass me and I'm glad I said it, and I'm sticking with it. In fact, I'll have no problem saying that before our upcoming concerts in the States-even in Texas." Fat chance. Instead, she gave a pseudo-apology that made it obvious that absent all the attention they've received, she'd never even consider an apology. Plenty of weasel words. geegee |
| I wonder how long it will be until Michael More has Nat staring in one of his movies. All the sobbing she did was, in my opinion to garner sympathy for her present situation, & the future of the Dixie Chicks careers. I wonder how well it was all scripted out ahead of time by the Chicks, & their cohorts. It really is like they just don't understand what they did wrong. Nat just keeps speaking rederick. I was waiting for her to say what is your definition of is? & when Diane Sawyer said he apology didn't quit seem like an apology, she acted surprised, & said it is because NOW she's guarded. Really truly pathetic. |
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Please don't get the wrong opinion of me. I'm not agreeing with what she did. I feel that it is just as tasteless for comics to make the comments they do. The President's position is due respect regardless of what event is happening at the time. They catch enough ridicule from the population without it going out over national or world TV. Thanks for all the thoughts on this.. |
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Quoted: Freedom of speech is not freedom from being responsible of your words. You still have to face the consequences of your actions. [b]B - I - NGO![/b] What I said a while back about Mr. Sarandon applies here as well: [b][red]Free speech is a two-way street and these halfwits just got their asses run over thinking they owned the whole damn road![/red][/b] |
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I don't normally ever get involved with these kind of topics online because I don't try to change people's minds and people won't change mine. First of all, I was just as shocked at their (her) statement. If country music fans no longer want to buy their albums, then that's fine. If country music fans want to meet somewhere and pile all their cd's, pictures, concert tickets, etc. up and run them over with a bulldozer, go for it. The fact that anyone out there would send them death threats and threaten other members of their family is just sick. If she would have just said "Just so you know, we are dissapointed in the way Bush is handling this matter", then everything would have been fine. After all, if (insert your favorite singer/band/artist/actor/etc.) would have said the same thing under the same circumstances about Clinton, would it alter your opinion of them? Lastly, I am not really a fan of the Dixie Chicks. I'll still listen to them on the radio if they are on. I haven't bought any of their recent albums and I have no desire to see them in concert. That was the way I felt about them before and it will continue to be the way I fell about them. de |
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I do not agree one iota with what the Ms Maine (sp?) said, but I support their right to say it. I am in the military and my life is on the line defending the rights and values which make this nation great. That being said, the issue boils down to this: She has a right to say what she said because she is an American. I don't agree with her and I think she's wrong in her beliefs, but she is entitled to her opinion. She screwed up when she said it in a foreign nation in front of foreign fans. If someone wants to say something against the President or the governments actions, keep it in house. Don't go bashing our own government outside our borders. Even though I didn't like a certain past individual in charge, I didn't go bashing it around the world (for one thing it would mean UCMJ punishiment and also is not the right thing to do). I am entitled to my opinion as well, but at least I have enough common sense to know when is the appropriate time to voice it. One other thing, people in prestigious jobs, positions, power have every right to their opinion just like everyone else. But they bear more responsibility because of their positions. They must exercise more reasonable care in voicing their opinions. Joe Snuffy off the street has his opinion but he is most likely not going to get the chance on national or international television to voice his opinion just because he is Joe Snuffy. People who have that opportunity need to exercise some good judgement and cool it. End of Mission, target neutralized. |