Posted: 1/8/2016 8:54:37 PM EDT
| Who's cartel would win in a drug war? My money would be on Pablo. |
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Chapo hands down. Sinaola cartel is a lot worse than the Medellin cartel was. it today's environment. Pablo was insane and a legit terrorist. Mexican cartels are small potatoes to car bombs, presidential assassination and bombing planes. plus Pablo had ~$20 billion in 1990s dollars vs chapos $1 billion. |
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According to Wiki 'The DEA has said El Chapo has surpassed the reach and influence of Escobar.' His reach may be greater as today's world has continued to get smaller through tech and such but as another poster states, Pablo was into car bombs and taking down airplanes. Chopping off heads ain't got shit on that. And surely Pablo would have progressed with the times as well. |
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According to Wiki 'The DEA has said El Chapo has surpassed the reach and influence of Escobar.' Thanks in part to the DEA: http://world.time.com/2014/01/14/dea-boosted-mexican-drug-cartel/ And of course their friendly neighborhood gun dealers, the ATF: http://www.businessinsider.com/fast-and-furious-guns-sinaloa-cartel-2012-8 |
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His reach may be greater as today's world has continued to get smaller through tech and such but as another poster states, Pablo was into car bombs and taking down airplanes. Chopping off heads ain't got shit on that. And surely Pablo would have progressed with the times as well. Quoted:
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According to Wiki 'The DEA has said El Chapo has surpassed the reach and influence of Escobar.' His reach may be greater as today's world has continued to get smaller through tech and such but as another poster states, Pablo was into car bombs and taking down airplanes. Chopping off heads ain't got shit on that. And surely Pablo would have progressed with the times as well. Pablo also assassinated a Colombian presidential candidate. |
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Of course Escobar. His power will never be matched by any armed non-state group and I'm including Hezbollah, ISIS, Blackwater(whatever their name is now). He took on the Cali Cartel (which was still far larger than the SInaloa) and the Colobian Government at the same time. When we brought in Delta Force and the best of the DEA he brought in ex-SAS and ex-Israeli commandos. He had hitmen walking the streets with hundreds of murders under their belts, thousands of them. He owned more property than Chapo would ever even visit and would write off millions each year just from rats eating the money where it was stored in the walls of homes he bought. He's buried so much on Colombian farms and numbered foreign accounts there are likely billions that will never be found.
If you can pick up the book his brother wrote, his brother was also his accountant and one Colombia's best bicyclists (literally their Lance Armstrong for a while), far more famous than Pablo...for a while anyway. He tells a story about just the expense of rubber bands being ridiculous, into the thousands every year (the rubber bands were used to wrap money in). There has never been another drug lord with the power Escobar had and likely never will be. He didn't just assassinate Mayors he didn't like, as Chapo has done. He would assassinate Presidential candidates he didn't like. He used a suicide bomber to take down an entire planeload of I don't remember how many hundred civilians to kill one man, who wasn't even on the plane. At one point he brought a war to the second largest cartel in the world (Cali) and the Colombian Government and had them both begging him for peace. He accepted 10s of billions from the Cali Cartel for peace, then reneged and starting slaughtering all over again. The Government finally allowed him to serve a 5 year drug dealing charge after shipping uncountable tons of cocaine and killings thousands of civilians, half the supreme court, a presidential candidate. Oh, and he forced them to let him build his own multi-million dollar prison that Colombian Government couldn't even visit. He was allowed to hire his own guards. Finally when he really started losing it and it became obviously that he was torturing his lieutenants to death while in "prison" the new President had to kick him out. He was only going to move him to an army base to finish his 5 year sentence but Pablo didn't know that and started the war back up. Unfortunately, he had made too many enemies at that point. The entire US .gov, the Colombian .gov, the Cali Cartel, and most importantly the loyal soldiers of his lieutenants that he murdered. The DEA has some success, Delta and Centra Spike has some success, the Cali's has some success, but what really hurt him the most was his former soldiers banding with his other enemies to form "Los Pepes". They were just as brutal as Pablo, and they knew all of his hiding spots and everyone that worked for him. They could hurt him in ways the police couldn't. They didn't mind butchering his lawyers and leaving signs on their bodies. That was the beginning of the end there. There were always rumors of the DEA and Delta helping Los Pepes, the Cali Cartel was obviously helping them with weapons and funding, some of the Search Bloc took off their police uniforms and put on ski masks to become Los Pepe members at night but regardless who all was involved, they gutted his organization. And it wasn't long before he was all alone with his billions and only a couple of loyal bodyguards, everyone knows the rest of the story. While on the sat phone with his son the Search Bloc found him and shot him up. Chapo at his highest, maybe around 2005, before the failed attempt to capture Laredo and the creation of Los Zetas, and before the Beltran-Leyvas broke away to form their own group....probably had 10-15% of the money and power that Pablo had at his highest. No one will ever reach those heights again. |
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Chapo does get extra credit for having M-1 on his side. The guy in my avatar for years now. One of the most honorable men to ever lived. That song is about him. There are better ones though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Torres_F%C3%A9lix 
I find myself in preparation...in the Mafia I am known... Great song, better than any of that garbage on the radio today. |
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https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/la_ca_0105_chappie_068.jpg My money is on chapo.
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Quoted: Pablo was in charge of his own country and government.....Chapo is a piece of corn in Pablo's excrement. Eta: everything deisel said. |
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Chapo is arguably not even the most powerful member of his own Cartel. El Mayo has just as many loyal guns and has quietly ran the cartel's operations while Chapo has been in and out of prison and running through the mountains for the last 20 years. Imagine being a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company and not even being able to sleep in the same town for more than a couple nights at a time without blackhawks showing up and Mexican Marines fast-roping down on your backyard. It's impossible. Not only that, his might Sinaloa Cartel doesn't even own the entire state of Sinaloa. There are still Beltran-Leyva and Juarez cells operating openly in the north of the State.
That's where Chapo loses the most points, territory wise. He needed el Mayo's and the DEA's help to take down the Tijuana Cartel and capture that city, he's been fighting the Juarez Cartel for the city of Juarez for years now and after losing and killing tens of thousands he still only controls maybe 80% of the city and surrounding areas. His attempt to wrestle Laredo from the Gulf Cartel failed miserably when the Gulf Cartel bought an entire Special Forces platoon and named them Los Zetas (after their leader's radio call sign) and ran him out of that town after a brutal and costly war. At his height, Chapo controlled maybe 40% of Mexico and that's being generous. At Pablo's height he owned nearly every inch of Colombia that wasn't an Army base or the city of Cali. |
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Chapo does get extra credit for having M-1 on his side. The guy in my avatar for years now. One of the most honorable men to ever lived. That song is about him. There are better ones though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Torres_F%C3%A9lix  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeN7uLbMm5Q
I find myself in preparation...in the Mafia I am known... Great song, better than any of that garbage on the radio today. Quoted:
Chapo does get extra credit for having M-1 on his side. The guy in my avatar for years now. One of the most honorable men to ever lived. That song is about him. There are better ones though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Torres_F%C3%A9lix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeN7uLbMm5Q
I find myself in preparation...in the Mafia I am known... Great song, better than any of that garbage on the radio today. Your taste in music is 
you a buchanan's drinker? Mexican status symbol drink, its terrible |