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4/17/2003 10:47:43 PM EDT
Ok, I know if you want a barrel shorter than 16in you have to register it w/ATF.  I am wanting to build a post-ban rifle with these options,

Pistol grip
Perm attached muzzlebreak
Folding stock
11.5in Barrel

Is it possible to do so by registering it whith the ATF as I would if I just wanted a  11.5in barrel?

If not, then can any of you give me information as to where I can get a pre-ban FAL (metric) reciever?  I am willing to pay up to $1250 for the reciever only, I dont want a complete gun

4/17/2003 10:49:23 PM EDT
[#1]
1. You can't build a post ban with a folding stock
2. Per the ATF, you must buy the who gun in preban form, otherwise taking it out of pre-ban form turns it into a post ban - get this - forever.
4/17/2003 10:51:04 PM EDT
[#2]
You need a pre-ban receiver if you want to do that.

If I'm not mistaken, there is a loophole for shortbarrelled guns like you describe if they dont have a stock.  They're classified as "pistols"
4/17/2003 10:56:19 PM EDT
[#3]
Ok, so do you know of anyone that has a pre-ban reciever?  I would be willing to pay top dollar!
4/17/2003 11:06:39 PM EDT
[#4]
A lower receiver can only be used as a pistol if it was from day one classed a pistol receiver.If you take a lower and get it classified as a short barrel rifle(under 16") it will all was be a short barrel rifle even if later you install a barrel over 16".This makes it harder to sell because who ever buys the rifle will have to pay the $200 tax stamp again unless they are class 3.
4/17/2003 11:06:54 PM EDT
[#5]
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Ok, I know if you want a barrel shorter than 16in you have to register it w/ATF.  I am wanting to build a post-ban rifle with these options,

Pistol grip
Perm attached muzzlebreak
Folding stock
11.5in Barrel

Is it possible to do so by registering it whith the ATF as I would if I just wanted a  11.5in barrel?

If not, then can any of you give me information as to where I can get a pre-ban FAL (metric) reciever?  I am willing to pay up to $1250 for the reciever only, I dont want a complete gun

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The folding stock is not allowed on a Post-ban.

I don't know about the 11.5" Barrel.
I never inquired about the 11.5" Barrel

I do know the 14.5" Barrel is legal on a post ban if you have a permantely fixed muzzle break and the barrel does measure 16" or longer with the attached muzzle break, I bought one for my DPMS.  

I never inquired about the 11.5" Barrel
4/17/2003 11:09:12 PM EDT
[#6]
buy a ZM 11.5 kit and put it on a preban lower.

Either that or a POS Oly OA98 carbine.
4/17/2003 11:10:27 PM EDT
[#7]
I forgot to add that there is a weight limit to a pistol too.And as stated before if it is a post ban receiver for a short barrel rifle the AWB still applies.
4/17/2003 11:12:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Get a lower with an attached magazine and you can get a folding stock
4/17/2003 11:18:37 PM EDT
[#9]
The ZM Ar15's are one of if not the most beautiful ar design there is (my opinion), however I want a 11.5 on a DSA .308 rifle
[img]C:\My Documents\My Pictures\Guns\wow.bmp[/img] Isn't it just dreamy..........*sighs in ecstasy*
4/17/2003 11:19:48 PM EDT
[#10]
do I have to convert the.bmp pic to jpg or gif for it to work on ar15.com?
4/17/2003 11:22:25 PM EDT
[#11]
Hope it works now
[img]C:\My Documents\My Pictures\Guns_wow.jpg[/img]
[img]C:\My Documents\My Pictures\Guns\wow.jpg
4/17/2003 11:23:33 PM EDT
[#12]
Ok, 1 last time
[img]C:\My Documents\My Pictures\Guns\wow.jpg[/img]
4/17/2003 11:28:34 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
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2. Per the ATF, you must buy the who gun in preban form, otherwise taking it out of pre-ban form turns it into a post ban - get this - forever.
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That's not quite what the ATF says.
Provided that the original parts were held by the owner and reinstalled on the rifle, it is our opinion that the rifle would still qualify as an exempted semiautomatic assault weapon even though it had been temporarily assembled different configuration. We note that mere disassembly of a semiautomatic weapon by an owner would not remove the firearm from the definition of a semiautomatic assault weapon nor would the reassembly constitute manufacture of a prohibited semiautomatic assault weapon.
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You are corect that he can't buy just a preban receiver and asseble as a preban.  However, disassembly doesn't change it's status.

15mm, you best be looking for a preban RIFLE, not just a receiver.  See below for additional text to the letter.

[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=74364[/url]