Posted: 12/19/2015 9:10:44 PM EDT
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The Bush Administration declared a permanent ban today on almost all foreign-made semiautomatic assault rifles. Imports of the weapons have been suspended since spring. The permanent ban affects all but 7 of the 50 models included in the spring suspension. Administration officials said that without the ban 700,000 to one million foreign-made assault weapons would have been imported into the United States this year, but they acknowledged that the slack would easily be taken up by domestic manufacturers. A Significant Step ''We're not saying it will solve the basic problem,'' said Stephen E. Higgins, director of the firearms bureau, who announced the ban. Today's decision is a significant step in the evolution of the Administration's gun control policies. It puts President Bush clearly at odds with the National Rifle Association and will almost certainly increase pressures on him to approve restrictions or an outright ban on domestic versions of semiautomatic assault weapons. ''The President was informed of the findings and decisions, and fully supports them,'' Alixe Glen, a White House spokeswoman, said of the ban announced today. Plea From 3 Ex-Presidents The letter from three former presidents to the House: May 3, 1994 To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives: We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assualt weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime. Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47. The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon. While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons. Sincerely, Gerald R. Ford Jimmy Carter Ronald Reagan In 2004, President George W. Bush said, "I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban, and was told the fact that the bill was never going to move, because Republicans and Democrats were against the assault weapon ban, people of both parties. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere to make sure that guns don’t get in the hands of people that shouldn’t have them.” Ten years earlier, his father wrote a letter to the NRA just two weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing, resigning as a life member of the NRA. And while Ronald Reagan was the Governor of California, he stated his view on guns in May of 1967 when Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill. "There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” Former Nixon speechwriter, William Safire, wrote in 1999 how Nixon felt about gun control. "His on-the-record reply: ”Guns are an abomination.’ Free from fear of gun owners’ retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles.” When Ronald Reagan Embraced Gun Control - The New York TimesTwo years after he left office, Mr. Reagan surprised the nation by endorsing the proposed Brady Law that established federal background checks of firearm buyers for criminal records and histories of mental disturbance. The former president noted that the law was inspired by the case of Jim Brady, his devoted press secretary who was partially paralyzed by a gunshot wound to the head during the assassination attempt. "This nightmare might never have happened” if the Brady Law had been in effect, Mr. Reagan emphasized in an op-ed in The New York Times. His support was significant in the eventual passage of the law in 1993. No less important was Mr. Reagan’s endorsement in 1994 of the assault weapons ban that was a major attempt to deal with efforts by domestic arms makers to sell adapted weapons of war to civilian buyers in the name of sportsmanship. "We can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals,” Mr. Reagan declared in a joint letter to Congress with former presidents Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. The measure banning a wide range of military style guns and large-capacity ammunition clips narrowly passed, with supporters citing the letter. On the State level you had George Pataki (Republican), NY Governor enact the NY AWB. You have Mitt Romney (Republican), MA Governor enact the MA AWB. You had the NY State Senate under GOP control support Andrew Cuomo pass the NY SAFE Act. Youbhave Crist Christie (Republican), Governor of New Jersey campaign on keeping tought restrictive laws in place.... etc.... Remember that the GOP isn't a friend of us. They'd throw us under the bus if they knew it would keep them in power. Many within the GOP don't give a fuck about gun rights and only use it as a means to get votes. |
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Quoted:  Things have changed. Quoted: Americans own about three million semiautomatic weapons, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, an agency in the Treasury Department that enforces national gun laws. Things have changed.  |
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Times and people change. people in power often have a warped perspective.
Charlton Heston was a Liberal Democrat, endorsed Johnson, made commercials supporting the Gun Control Act of 1968, and supported Hubert Humphrey against Nixon. Later in life he changed his mind and went on to be the 5 time president of the NRA. All we can do is remain vigilant, continue to educate people, and support those who support our ideals. Wise men are willing to hear what others say and consider the merit of their position. May we all be wise. |
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Reagan was long past senile when he signed that. . We seriously need to work on the language of a bill banning treason.. Those that work against the Constitution need repercussions. Reagan's show of support for the semi-auto ban was no different than when he signed the machine gun ban and AP ammo ban as president and banned carrying loaded firearms as governor of the PRK. Want to claim he was senile most of his adult life? |
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Times and people change. people in power often have a warped perspective. Charlton Heston was a Liberal Democrat, endorsed Johnson, made commercials supporting the Gun Control Act of 1968, and supported Hubert Humphrey against Nixon. Later in life he changed his mind and went on to be the 5 time president of the NRA. All we can do is remain vigilant, continue to educate people, and support those who support our ideals. Wise men are willing to hear what others say and consider the merit of their position. May we all be wise. http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html "In the hands of a genuine newsman, it could have been a broadcaster's career-maker! On 6 May 1997, shortly after his brilliantly engineered "overnight" ascension to the First Vice-Presidency of the National Rifle Association at the annual Members Meeting in Seattle, Hollywood icon Charlton Heston said in an early drive-time (8:00-9:00 a.m.) interview on San Francisco's ABC radio affiliate KGO-AM… In addition to new equipment, there is now an infusion of new blood at the NRA, which may be an excellent thing. The appearance at the head table of Holy Moses (Charlton Heston) may be startling to some, but it should turn out to be a major forward step in the long run. Heston's "gun politics" may not be entirely above reproach in the eyes of the pure, but his public image is very powerful and may serve to impress numbers of those in the middle to whom we need to appeal. – Jeff Cooper, Commentaries AK-47's are inappropriate for private ownership, of course. KGO's anchor/host Ted Wygant, clearly unprepared for such a startling announcement by the freshly elected NRA official, attempted to forge ahead with his scripted talking point: "…the fire power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner would need. Why is it necessary to have those guns available anyway?" I just got through telling you. The possession… private possession… of AK-47's is entirely inappropriate." 
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History, especially political history becomes slanted with personal views. Many are told that Reagan was the second coming of the Founding Fathers and that he was an honest man and did everything he could to reduce the size of government. He was a good president and chief. No questions about it. But the blind faith many have in him and the GOP itself is hurtful. Reagan while good, wasn't as pure as the wind driven snow many believe he was. He did expand the size and scope of government, he really started the war on drugs which has destroyed our civil liberties, and he was against certain firearms. Simple as that. Did he believe in gun ownership? Sure... but it wasn't what you or I do. If he did then why the ban on Open Carry in California? Because he and others were afraid of the Black Panthers? So he restricted the rights of all because of a few radical blacks? Seems kinda fucked up and bigoted. We hear constantly that the FOPA was something that we needed and I agree on that. Before it, our rights were severely curtailed. But with it came two cluster fucks. 1. The MG Ban. 2. The fact that FOPA is only a post arrest defense. It is not an affirmative defense. You have to prove that FOPA covered you. The State doesn't have to prove that FOPA didn't. That negates the whole things about it. |
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http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html "In the hands of a genuine newsman, it could have been a broadcaster's career-maker! On 6 May 1997, shortly after his brilliantly engineered "overnight" ascension to the First Vice-Presidency of the National Rifle Association at the annual Members Meeting in Seattle, Hollywood icon Charlton Heston said in an early drive-time (8:00-9:00 a.m.) interview on San Francisco's ABC radio affiliate KGO-AM… In addition to new equipment, there is now an infusion of new blood at the NRA, which may be an excellent thing. The appearance at the head table of Holy Moses (Charlton Heston) may be startling to some, but it should turn out to be a major forward step in the long run. Heston's "gun politics" may not be entirely above reproach in the eyes of the pure, but his public image is very powerful and may serve to impress numbers of those in the middle to whom we need to appeal. – Jeff Cooper, Commentaries AK-47's are inappropriate for private ownership, of course. KGO's anchor/host Ted Wygant, clearly unprepared for such a startling announcement by the freshly elected NRA official, attempted to forge ahead with his scripted talking point: "…the fire power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner would need. Why is it necessary to have those guns available anyway?" I just got through telling you. The possession… private possession… of AK-47's is entirely inappropriate." http://keepandbeararms.com/images/ak-heston.jpg Quoted:
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Times and people change. people in power often have a warped perspective. Charlton Heston was a Liberal Democrat, endorsed Johnson, made commercials supporting the Gun Control Act of 1968, and supported Hubert Humphrey against Nixon. Later in life he changed his mind and went on to be the 5 time president of the NRA. All we can do is remain vigilant, continue to educate people, and support those who support our ideals. Wise men are willing to hear what others say and consider the merit of their position. May we all be wise. http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html "In the hands of a genuine newsman, it could have been a broadcaster's career-maker! On 6 May 1997, shortly after his brilliantly engineered "overnight" ascension to the First Vice-Presidency of the National Rifle Association at the annual Members Meeting in Seattle, Hollywood icon Charlton Heston said in an early drive-time (8:00-9:00 a.m.) interview on San Francisco's ABC radio affiliate KGO-AM… In addition to new equipment, there is now an infusion of new blood at the NRA, which may be an excellent thing. The appearance at the head table of Holy Moses (Charlton Heston) may be startling to some, but it should turn out to be a major forward step in the long run. Heston's "gun politics" may not be entirely above reproach in the eyes of the pure, but his public image is very powerful and may serve to impress numbers of those in the middle to whom we need to appeal. – Jeff Cooper, Commentaries AK-47's are inappropriate for private ownership, of course. KGO's anchor/host Ted Wygant, clearly unprepared for such a startling announcement by the freshly elected NRA official, attempted to forge ahead with his scripted talking point: "…the fire power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner would need. Why is it necessary to have those guns available anyway?" I just got through telling you. The possession… private possession… of AK-47's is entirely inappropriate." http://keepandbeararms.com/images/ak-heston.jpg Holding up a flintlock was a huge disappointment to me. 
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Times and people change. people in power often have a warped perspective. Charlton Heston was a Liberal Democrat, endorsed Johnson, made commercials supporting the Gun Control Act of 1968, and supported Hubert Humphrey against Nixon. Later in life he changed his mind and went on to be the 5 time president of the NRA. All we can do is remain vigilant, continue to educate people, and support those who support our ideals. Wise men are willing to hear what others say and consider the merit of their position. May we all be wise. http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rkba-47.html "In the hands of a genuine newsman, it could have been a broadcaster's career-maker! On 6 May 1997, shortly after his brilliantly engineered "overnight" ascension to the First Vice-Presidency of the National Rifle Association at the annual Members Meeting in Seattle, Hollywood icon Charlton Heston said in an early drive-time (8:00-9:00 a.m.) interview on San Francisco's ABC radio affiliate KGO-AM… In addition to new equipment, there is now an infusion of new blood at the NRA, which may be an excellent thing. The appearance at the head table of Holy Moses (Charlton Heston) may be startling to some, but it should turn out to be a major forward step in the long run. Heston's "gun politics" may not be entirely above reproach in the eyes of the pure, but his public image is very powerful and may serve to impress numbers of those in the middle to whom we need to appeal. – Jeff Cooper, Commentaries AK-47's are inappropriate for private ownership, of course. KGO's anchor/host Ted Wygant, clearly unprepared for such a startling announcement by the freshly elected NRA official, attempted to forge ahead with his scripted talking point: "…the fire power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner would need. Why is it necessary to have those guns available anyway?" I just got through telling you. The possession… private possession… of AK-47's is entirely inappropriate." http://keepandbeararms.com/images/ak-heston.jpg Holding up a flintlock was a huge disappointment to me.
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You have Mitt Romney (Republican), MA Governor enact the MA AWB. <snip> Not exactly. Paul Cellucci is the MA governor who signed the permanent AWB in 1998. [URL=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/671007_.html][ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OFFICIAL Romney and the MA AWB and Romney's 2A postions Thread[/URL] http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html I penned this in my blog a few years back after talking to some MA folks here who lived through it. The AWB Romney was presented with passed the MA house on a unanimous voice vote, and the Senate by a recorded vote of 36:1. Not 19:18. Not even 25:12 36:1 Their legislative model is similar to IL's... once a bill is passed, the governor can: 1) Veto it 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default 3) Sign it. 1) Veto it So what ? So the already veto-proof legislature and the antis and the MSM can cry about how Romney is a threat to public safety, and guaranteeing the drive-bys of nuns and orphans? 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default. So make no statement yea or nay, and lose any ability to take credit for it either way and still allow your opponents to claim you were "against it" - see the negative BS above. 3) Sign it. At least this way he can gain some political capital. Remember that the GOP isn't a friend of us. They'd throw us under the bus if they knew it would keep them in power. Many within the GOP don't give a fuck about gun rights and only use it as a means to get votes.
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Quoted: Not exactly. Paul Cellucci is the MA governor who signed the permanent AWB in 1998. [URL=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/671007_.html][ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OFFICIAL Romney and the MA AWB and Romney's 2A postions Thread[/URL] http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html I penned this in my blog a few years back after talking to some MA folks here who lived through it. The AWB Romney was presented with passed the MA house on a unanimous voice vote, and the Senate by a recorded vote of 36:1. Not 19:18. Not even 25:12 36:1 Their legislative model is similar to IL's... once a bill is passed, the governor can: 1) Veto it 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default 3) Sign it. 1) Veto it So what ? So the already veto-proof legislature and the antis and the MSM can cry about how Romney is a threat to public safety, and guaranteeing the drive-bys of nuns and orphans? 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default. So make no statement yea or nay, and lose any ability to take credit for it either way and still allow your opponents to claim you were "against it" - see the negative BS above. 3) Sign it. At least this way he can gain some political capital. I'll agree to that, Quoted: Quoted: You have Mitt Romney (Republican), MA Governor enact the MA AWB. <snip> Not exactly. Paul Cellucci is the MA governor who signed the permanent AWB in 1998. [URL=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/671007_.html][ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OFFICIAL Romney and the MA AWB and Romney's 2A postions Thread[/URL] http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html I penned this in my blog a few years back after talking to some MA folks here who lived through it. The AWB Romney was presented with passed the MA house on a unanimous voice vote, and the Senate by a recorded vote of 36:1. Not 19:18. Not even 25:12 36:1 Their legislative model is similar to IL's... once a bill is passed, the governor can: 1) Veto it 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default 3) Sign it. 1) Veto it So what ? So the already veto-proof legislature and the antis and the MSM can cry about how Romney is a threat to public safety, and guaranteeing the drive-bys of nuns and orphans? 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default. So make no statement yea or nay, and lose any ability to take credit for it either way and still allow your opponents to claim you were "against it" - see the negative BS above. 3) Sign it. At least this way he can gain some political capital. Remember that the GOP isn't a friend of us. They'd throw us under the bus if they knew it would keep them in power. Many within the GOP don't give a fuck about gun rights and only use it as a means to get votes. I'll agree to that, If I was presented with those three options I'd veto it to at least tell my fellow citizens that I don't agree with them getting fucked over. |
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Not exactly. Paul Cellucci is the MA governor who signed the permanent AWB in 1998. [URL=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/671007_.html][ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OFFICIAL Romney and the MA AWB and Romney's 2A postions Thread[/URL] http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html I penned this in my blog a few years back after talking to some MA folks here who lived through it. The AWB Romney was presented with passed the MA house on a unanimous voice vote, and the Senate by a recorded vote of 36:1. Not 19:18. Not even 25:12 36:1 Their legislative model is similar to IL's... once a bill is passed, the governor can: 1) Veto it 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default 3) Sign it. 1) Veto it So what ? So the already veto-proof legislature and the antis and the MSM can cry about how Romney is a threat to public safety, and guaranteeing the drive-bys of nuns and orphans? 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default. So make no statement yea or nay, and lose any ability to take credit for it either way and still allow your opponents to claim you were "against it" - see the negative BS above. 3) Sign it. At least this way he can gain some political capital. Quoted:
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You have Mitt Romney (Republican), MA Governor enact the MA AWB. <snip> Not exactly. Paul Cellucci is the MA governor who signed the permanent AWB in 1998. [URL=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/671007_.html][ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OFFICIAL Romney and the MA AWB and Romney's 2A postions Thread[/URL] http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html I penned this in my blog a few years back after talking to some MA folks here who lived through it. The AWB Romney was presented with passed the MA house on a unanimous voice vote, and the Senate by a recorded vote of 36:1. Not 19:18. Not even 25:12 36:1 Their legislative model is similar to IL's... once a bill is passed, the governor can: 1) Veto it 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default 3) Sign it. 1) Veto it So what ? So the already veto-proof legislature and the antis and the MSM can cry about how Romney is a threat to public safety, and guaranteeing the drive-bys of nuns and orphans? 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default. So make no statement yea or nay, and lose any ability to take credit for it either way and still allow your opponents to claim you were "against it" - see the negative BS above. 3) Sign it. At least this way he can gain some political capital. Based on Romney's other activities, what would lead you to think he opposed the AW ban in any way? Apparently that political capital thing didn't work too well even with many miscreants in the firearms sector lying for him. |
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Based on Romney's other activities, what would lead you to think he opposed the AW ban in any way? Apparently that political capital thing didn't work too well even with many miscreants in the firearms sector lying for him. Quoted:
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You have Mitt Romney (Republican), MA Governor enact the MA AWB. <snip> Not exactly. Paul Cellucci is the MA governor who signed the permanent AWB in 1998. [URL=http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/671007_.html][ARCHIVED THREAD] - The OFFICIAL Romney and the MA AWB and Romney's 2A postions Thread[/URL] http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html I penned this in my blog a few years back after talking to some MA folks here who lived through it. The AWB Romney was presented with passed the MA house on a unanimous voice vote, and the Senate by a recorded vote of 36:1. Not 19:18. Not even 25:12 36:1 Their legislative model is similar to IL's... once a bill is passed, the governor can: 1) Veto it 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default 3) Sign it. 1) Veto it So what ? So the already veto-proof legislature and the antis and the MSM can cry about how Romney is a threat to public safety, and guaranteeing the drive-bys of nuns and orphans? 2) Do nothing and allow it to become law by default. So make no statement yea or nay, and lose any ability to take credit for it either way and still allow your opponents to claim you were "against it" - see the negative BS above. 3) Sign it. At least this way he can gain some political capital. Based on Romney's other activities, what would lead you to think he opposed the AW ban in any way? Apparently that political capital thing didn't work too well even with many miscreants in the firearms sector lying for him. 
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Fuck George H W Bush and the RINO GOPe Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You forgot Democrats! The thing is,we know Democrats want to screw us.The Republicans say they are our friend,and then turn around and screw us. Like how we were supposed to vote for this piece of shit because he had an R after his name..................
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Reagan's show of support for the semi-auto ban was no different than when he signed the machine gun ban and AP ammo ban as president and banned carrying loaded firearms as governor of the PRK. Want to claim he was senile most of his adult life? Quoted:
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Reagan was long past senile when he signed that. . We seriously need to work on the language of a bill banning treason.. Those that work against the Constitution need repercussions. Reagan's show of support for the semi-auto ban was no different than when he signed the machine gun ban and AP ammo ban as president and banned carrying loaded firearms as governor of the PRK. Want to claim he was senile most of his adult life? Wow! Did not know that! And here I was thinking he was the best Pres. we've had. |
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We need politician control. If only the Founders had figured out a way to have a check for that. They did. That's why we have a Second Amendment. CAUTION: Sarcasm detector re-calibration pending. |
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Someone find where Trump was in favor of the AWB. Read his book. Or try this... http://www.google.com |
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Quoted: Folks here will still line up to slob on Reagan's knob since they think he was the second coming of Jesus himself. But once again, the GOP would go after guns if it meant they'd get more votes. |
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Quoted: Reagan was a good President... but he wasn't as pure as many claim he was. But once again, the GOP would go after guns if it meant they'd get more votes. Quoted: Quoted: Folks here will still line up to slob on Reagan's knob since they think he was the second coming of Jesus himself. But once again, the GOP would go after guns if it meant they'd get more votes. Good presidents don't triple the national debt.  |
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But Trump is the problem according to some here. Trump would agree to an AWB faster than he agreed to be bailed out by 12 banks Maybe but we know Clanton would. |
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Reagan was long past senile when he signed that. . We seriously need to work on the language of a bill banning treason.. Those that work against the Constitution need repercussions. Reagan's show of support for the semi-auto ban was no different than when he signed the machine gun ban and AP ammo ban as president and banned carrying loaded firearms as governor of the PRK. Want to claim he was senile most of his adult life? Wow! Did not know that! And here I was thinking he was the best Pres. we've had. Definitely not if you are actually PRO-2A. The obsession with Reagan is pathetic. |