Posted: 4/15/2003 2:37:11 PM EDT
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Hey guys this is a serious questions so I would appreciate a serious answer from someone who knows the answer. How does poultry processing plants kill all those chickens? I have asked this questions to several people and I was given several answers... gassed, electrocuted, decapatation and drowned in hot water. |
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One of the reasons I have become a Vegetarian is due the the horrific conditions animals are kept during their lives and how they are killed. Chickens, here in Md at least. For the most part the feet of them are clamped into a thing that looks like what you see at a dry cleaners that hangs all of the coats. The chickens are then decapitated. |
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Quoted: One of the reasons I have become a Vegetarian is due the the horrific conditions animals are kept during their lives and how they are killed. Chickens, here in Md at least. For the most part the feet of them are clamped into a thing that looks like what you see at a dry cleaners that hangs all of the coats. The chickens are then decapitated. |
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They are slaughtered by the vast populous of right wing gun-nuts anticipating the apocalypse toting evil "assault weapons" with high capacity magazines! It's the only way to kill chickens don't you know! Accually I think they are strung upside down the their heads are cut off. Thanx Eas' Bunny. Bawk Bawk! |
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Quoted: Hey M4, they are still probably killing chickens that way whether your eating them or not. Yup, and Socialist Demecraps are trying to ban guns even thought I do not vote for them. Point is, I may not be able to make a change. But I don't have to support it. |
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[url]http://www.observer.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,9950,662799,00.html[/url] Hanging upside down passing into the factory, the birds are remarkably passive as they stare out, their darting eyes their only sign of concern. The only protest they make is a flap of the wings when the belt dips down, taking their heads into a bath of electrified water. It is meant to stun them, but many die from it, their hearts and nervous systems shut down by the powerful current. After a few seconds, the unconscious birds are dragged out of the bath, hanging limply, water dripping from their heads. Their throats are sliced as they pass a swirling blade, those hanging too close getting their heads chopped right off, others having their neck barely nicked. A man with a bloody apron stands poised, knife in hand, ready to finish off any birds that may have survived the electric bath and throat slicing. Around his feet lie dozens of heads, cleaned up only every hour or so. |
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Quoted: [url]http://www.observer.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,9950,662799,00.html[/url] Hanging upside down passing into the factory, the birds are remarkably passive as they stare out, their darting eyes their only sign of concern. The only protest they make is a flap of the wings when the belt dips down, taking their heads into a bath of electrified water. It is meant to stun them, but many die from it, their hearts and nervous systems shut down by the powerful current. After a few seconds, the unconscious birds are dragged out of the bath, hanging limply, water dripping from their heads. Their throats are sliced as they pass a swirling blade, those hanging too close getting their heads chopped right off, others having their neck barely nicked. A man with a bloody apron stands poised, knife in hand, ready to finish off any birds that may have survived the electric bath and throat slicing. Around his feet lie dozens of heads, cleaned up only every hour or so. There it is! Now ya know. |
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Quoted: Quoted: And that made you a veg head ? [>Q] What does the first two words say? ONE OF That doesnt mean all of the reasons for not eating meat. |
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Quoted: M4, I am not slamming you, by any means, Well, thats a good idean considering i have am M4 pointed at you [:D] I just am amazed that a person would give up meat and poultry and be content to eat just vegetables for the rest of their life. hmm "amazed"...are you sure thats the word you were looking for? Anyhow, There is more to life than meat to eat. There is really so much more. For most people they have always laughed at people like me and never really researched the other options. Therefor they are ignorant to my lifestyle, and while being ignorant they usually have all of the medical problems along with eating the way they do. Sure, I can go have a real cheeseburger with all of the impurities that come from red meat and along with funding the meat industry. or I can have a meatless Boca burger that tastes the same and put something in my body thats actually healthy for it. this is just my opinion. I have friends who eat steak and all that shit right in front of me. thats right for them, but wrong for me. And many people out there get so angered about my eating choices. |
| M4, it's not perhaps that I, for one, am "angry", merely bemused. I once became a "vegan" for about 8 months, but came to find out that really what I wanted was to get in the panties of the KILLER blonde vegan I was shtupping at the time. At any rate, I believe that some eat to subsist, and some enjoy food as a passion, I am the latter. I fail to see how someone could get as excited about, say, a wheat muffin encrusted with tofu glaze as I do about a blood-drippin, Pittsburgh rare, well seasoned, hickory pit fired Porterhouse steak. They are simply two different things. While veggies will indeed feed you, they cannot ignite the caveman within. |
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Apparently it's done a little differently in California: story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=573&e=1&u=/nm/20030414/od_nm/odd_chickens_dc Farmers Put Live Chickens in Wood Chippers Mon Apr 14,10:32 AM ET LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Two California poultry farmers who fed some 30,000 live chickens into wood chippers will not face criminal charges because they had permission from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites), prosecutors said on Friday. But a spokesman for the Humane Society of the United States called the farmers "callous and barbaric" and disagreed with the decision not to prosecute them. The farmers needed to destroy the chickens because they were "spent" -- or no longer able to produce eggs -- and could not make chicken soup out of them because the farms were under quarantine for the poultry virus Exotic Newcastle Disease, District Attorney's spokeswoman Gayle Stewart said. Stewart said the men, who run a poultry farm near San Diego, asked a senior veterinarian with the Agriculture Department if they could employ the wood chippers and were given permission. "Once they had permission we decided that they did not have any criminal intent," Stewart said. Brothers Arie and Will Wilgenburg, who run Escondido-based Ward Poultry Farm, could not be reached for comment on Friday. Earlier, they told the San Diego Union Tribune newspaper that they were doing "what we thought we had to do" based on expert advice and stopped as soon as they learned otherwise. Wayne Pacelle, a spokesman for the Humane Society, said that explanation was unacceptable. "The act of feeding live chickens into a wood chipper is an extraordinarily callous and barbaric act and I can't imagine any person with a whit of common sense would use a wood chipper as a killing tool," he said. "No person with any experience in killing animals would sanction the use of this technique." Pacelle said the District Attorney's decision not to prosecute the brothers rested on the "faulty assumption" that using wood chippers to kill chickens was an accepted practice. |
| Yes amazed is the right word, not angry, heck, your body, your choice. Amazed is the right word though. Baffled may be another word. But in any event, it was just a discussion type of thing, never really spoke with a vegetarian as I live in beef country, raise my own steers as a matter of fact. About 5-6 steers a year for family and friends. |
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I helped butcher 150 chickens on my inlaws hobby farm once. They gave my wife, & I 40 chickens for helping, but we didn't eat chicken for close to a year. Those birds were so freaking nasty, it really put us of bird meat. We cut off their heads with heavy duty garden scissors.[:D] |
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I'm originally from Springdale, AR. You know - home of Tysons Poultry. 20yrs ago they would bring the chickens into a plant, uncrate them, then hang them by the feet in shackles that move on a conveyer. The chickens would then pass through a rotating knife that would lop their heads off. Once that was done the chickens would then bleed out, which you need to do. They would then be dipped in near boiling water to facilitate feather removal then on to being further processed. I've also lived on a farm that had 5 chicken houses (each about 75 yards long). It's a messy business. Nothing is thrown away in the processing of chickens. What can't be sold as meat or another product is ground up and put into chicken feed. Yes, the chickens are fed back to their kin. By the way, I still eat chicken. |
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Quoted: What can't be sold as meat or another product is ground up and put into chicken feed. Yes, the chickens are fed back to their kin. [b]THAT IS EXACTLY HOW MAD COW DISEASE STARTED[/b] It doesnt just effect cows you know! But I am sure most of you who think "Nothing will ever happen to me" need to be concerned. |
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Quoted: Quoted: M4, it's not perhaps that I, for one, am "angry", merely bemused. I once became a "vegan" for about 8 months, I'm not a Vegan. there is a big difference. Oh, trust me, I'm aware of the difference. But a bulgar-wheat muffin is still not as exciting as a blood-cold ribeye, imho. |
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Well down on the farm we always used the trusty axe on top of a piece of firewood then We hung them up on a cloths line to bleed out. Once and awhile one would get way from me though wich sucked because blood got over everything within 50 yards. Now on to Beef How are they killed in a commercial plant? Ive heard they use a lttle bolt mechanism that goes through the skull tho im not sure that is true. |
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Off-topic, but M4_aiming_at_U ought to appreciate this one: I was working for a concrete company, doing a floor slab at a poultry-processing plant. One day, one of the chickens noticed that he wasn't long for this earth, and decided it was time to haul ass. he somehow got out, and led a dozen or so employees on the most hilarious chase I've ever seen. All those people, chasing a single chicken; you should have seen it! They weren't real happy with us, either, for cheering the chicken, who managed to make good his escape. The little beggar probably went to Chickenville, and opened up a "Steeple's people" restaurant... |
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Quoted: Off-topic, but M4_aiming_at_U ought to appreciate this one: I was working for a concrete company, doing a floor slab at a poultry-processing plant. One day, one of the chickens noticed that he wasn't long for this earth, and decided it was time to haul ass. he somehow got out, and led a dozen or so employees on the most hilarious chase I've ever seen. All those people, chasing a single chicken; you should have seen it! They weren't real happy with us, either, for cheering the chicken, who managed to make good his escape. The little beggar probably went to Chickenville, and opened up a "Steeple's people" restaurant... [ROFL] Now thats a good one! |
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Cattle slaughtering- They use a "Captive Bolt" system. The setup looks like a sledge hammer with a metal cylinder sticking out. When the hammer strikes the cranium, a trigger mechanism is set off (usually pneumatic) that forces the cylinder to protrude out of the sledge hammer housing under tremendous force. Very fast. It's called a captive bolt because the bolt never leaves the gun, it just extends from it. Kosher kill works differently... but I've never toured a Kosher plant. -Hobbit |
| Well guess what you now have bonified ARFCOM member who makes his living in the Poultry Industry as well as the Swine, Broiler, Fish, Turkey. We manufacture premixes and supplements from animal, poultry and marine byproducts that go back into the commerical feeding of these animals. Not to get off on another tangent but just where do most people think meat, fish or whatever else comes from they see in the grocery store, oh! it magically appears. Let them live like their forefathers did for a month much less a week, most couldn't do it. Yes, it takes meat (in moderation as in anything else) to properly sustain the body protein and amino acids. If you slaughtering say 6000 head of cattle a day or 50,000 hogs a day just how else is there. Have you ever chopped the head of a chicken off, plucked the feathers then eaten the bird?? I'm sure a good portion of you guys hunt and you know what I mean, but some don't, it's like talking to someone about gun control. I've been inside a cattle kill operation then gone eat a hamburger a lunch, what's the big deal. (rant mode off) I've got to go find a sausage biscuit somewhere... |
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One thing I HATE is cleaning chickens. Matter of fact I hate chickens in general...'cept fer eatin'..... Only thing I hate more than chickens is MONKEYS. I would spare the life of every chicken on the planet ( were it in my power ) if I could just get some time ( say, a year or so ) behind a monkey blastin' mini'gun. |