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Posted: 12/12/2015 4:06:12 PM EDT
AIM Surplus has THIS in stock
Austrian Hirtenberger 147gr 7.62x51 in 360 round battle packs. These have a "bi-metal" magnetic type jacket. Is this likely to cause more wear and tear on the rifling? Because it's a harder metal. Any experience with this? Decent price? I think back in the 90's the same 360 round pack went for $75-90 instead of the current $190. Thanks Obama. 
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Posted: 12/12/2015 4:09:01 PM EDT
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The bimetal reduces barrel life. Other than that it's G2G.
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Posted: 12/12/2015 4:35:38 PM EDT
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The bimetal reduces barrel life. Other than that it's G2G. Have you shot it much? Compared to the typical 168gr what's the difference in POA/POI? |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 4:53:20 PM EDT
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.53 cents a round?
ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:02:39 PM EDT
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Isn't there an app or webpage bot that scouts the web for the best ammo prices? Anyone know what it is? I've seen it mentioned here before |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:03:53 PM EDT
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Isn't there an app or webpage bot that scouts the web for the best ammo prices? Anyone know what it is? I've seen it mentioned here before Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Isn't there an app or webpage bot that scouts the web for the best ammo prices? Anyone know what it is? I've seen it mentioned here before I just edited my post. Even with shipping at AIM the ZQI comes out to .48 cpr |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:07:47 PM EDT
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ZQI is supposedly pretty good stuff. I have never used it but I just went ahead and ordered some at <.50cpr now is time to buy.
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:10:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't there an app or webpage bot that scouts the web for the best ammo prices? Anyone know what it is? I've seen it mentioned here before Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Isn't there an app or webpage bot that scouts the web for the best ammo prices? Anyone know what it is? I've seen it mentioned here before Gun-deals.com |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:15:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:19:23 PM EDT
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Back in 1999 the dealers would pay you to come haul that stuff away.
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:55:42 PM EDT
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Back in 1999 the dealers would pay you to come haul that stuff away. Well, I think I had to pay 28.00 per to haul it off. |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:58:53 PM EDT
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Back in 1999 the dealers would pay you to come haul that stuff away. Yep, IIRC I paid $99.00 shipped for 1,000 rds of Portuguese, NC .308 |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 5:59:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: AIM Surplus has THIS in stock Austrian Hirtenberger 147gr 7.62x51 in 360 round battle packs. These have a "bi-metal" magnetic type jacket. Is this likely to cause more wear and tear on the rifling? Because it's a harder metal. Any experience with this? Decent price? I think back in the 90's the same 360 round pack went for $75-90 instead of the current $190. Thanks Obama. |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 7:01:52 PM EDT
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Pretty good trip down memory lane, but back on topic.
The bi metal jacket issues are known, they will wear on a bbl a bit faster. I still shoot them a lot. The FAL still spanks the 400 yd steel with Hirt |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 7:09:10 PM EDT
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Aim was selling the zqi for $280 shipped for black friday
Id fill my basement now with either one if I had the money. It aint going to get any cheaper. |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 7:15:01 PM EDT
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I finally tried some of the ZQI I've been stacking deep , last week. My Cteme wouldn't feed it. Light primer strikes. It ran my Brothers SW m-p 10 fine.
The Cetme had no issues with PPU, or Federal , however. Guess I';ll keep stacking it till my pa 10 is done. 
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Posted: 12/12/2015 7:15:11 PM EDT
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Hirtenberger was the cat's meow back in the 90's IIRC.
As for bi-metal bullets, I know there was a test done with .223 bi-metal, and it wore out a barrel quicker than standard copper jacketed bullets. (I think it was Box-o-Truth, but I can't find it.) But the Russians and Chinese have been using bi-metal since I can remember and I was under the impression that their 7.62x39 barrels lasted a lot longer. I'm guessing velocity has something to do with the wear, along with bullet composition. .223 - 3000fps 7.62x39mm - 2300fps 7.62x51mm - 2800fps. Makes me wonder if a military chrome-lined barrel shooting .308 bi-metal jacketed projectiles would lean more towards .223 or 7.62x39 barrel life averages. |
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Posted: 12/12/2015 8:57:29 PM EDT
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Ammoseek is another search engine
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Posted: 12/12/2015 9:02:33 PM EDT
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Zq is brass and cheaper per box
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Posted: 12/12/2015 9:05:11 PM EDT
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The Hirt in the past was very accurate .
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:48:18 AM EDT
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Hirtenberger's about the best M80 you're going to find.
You'd be surprised how much american ammo is bimetal and you'd never know unless you put a magnet to it. I've shot UMC .45 ball that was bimetal as well as WCC M80 in the USA packaging. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:51:59 AM EDT
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I bought a case of the ZQI myself. Haven't shot any yet so I can't give you a range report but it is pretty cheap.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 12:54:35 AM EDT
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I'm old enough to have outlived the glory days of milsurp ammo, but young enough to be worried about what that means for my shooting long-term.
This Hirt is the first real "milsurp" I've seen hit the market in the last couple years. If that German DAG 7.62 ever comes back, I'm gonna sell my daughter to the gypsies and fill her entire room with that stuff. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:23:00 AM EDT
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I'm old enough to have outlived the glory days of milsurp ammo, but young enough to be worried about what that means for my shooting long-term. This Hirt is the first real "milsurp" I've seen hit the market in the last couple years. If that German DAG 7.62 ever comes back, I'm gonna sell my daughter to the gypsies and fill her entire room with that stuff. Here is some similar German stuff. I think for not much more I would rather get LC or IMI 7.62, it's nice to see GGG ammo back too that stuff is great. I wonder how long this is going to last... |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:53:13 AM EDT
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Here is some similar German stuff. I think for not much more I would rather get LC or IMI 7.62, it's nice to see GGG ammo back too that stuff is great. I wonder how long this is going to last... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm old enough to have outlived the glory days of milsurp ammo, but young enough to be worried about what that means for my shooting long-term. This Hirt is the first real "milsurp" I've seen hit the market in the last couple years. If that German DAG 7.62 ever comes back, I'm gonna sell my daughter to the gypsies and fill her entire room with that stuff. Here is some similar German stuff. I think for not much more I would rather get LC or IMI 7.62, it's nice to see GGG ammo back too that stuff is great. I wonder how long this is going to last... Thanks, man. I buy pretty much all my rifle ammo from SG. Don't know how I missed that. I wonder where this stuff is coming from? Some savvy investor who sat on a stockpile of 7.62 milsurp until everybody else's supply had dried up? Like you say, I don't know how long it's gonna last. Probably not long. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 1:59:28 AM EDT
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Here is some similar German stuff. I think for not much more I would rather get LC or IMI 7.62, it's nice to see GGG ammo back too that stuff is great. I wonder how long this is going to last... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm old enough to have outlived the glory days of milsurp ammo, but young enough to be worried about what that means for my shooting long-term. This Hirt is the first real "milsurp" I've seen hit the market in the last couple years. If that German DAG 7.62 ever comes back, I'm gonna sell my daughter to the gypsies and fill her entire room with that stuff. Here is some similar German stuff. I think for not much more I would rather get LC or IMI 7.62, it's nice to see GGG ammo back too that stuff is great. I wonder how long this is going to last... I don't know that I've seen head stamps machined off before. Seems tedious as fuck. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:11:50 AM EDT
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FWIW, Academy has Monarch .308 for sale this week at $7.99 a box. My Bushmaster BR308 gets along well with it.
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Posted: 12/13/2015 8:01:32 AM EDT
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 8:13:43 AM EDT
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I love the Internet "I heard" myths in this thread
get zqi, bi metal... blah blah blah 
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Posted: 12/13/2015 8:28:51 AM EDT
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ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. In some rifles. Mine seems to like their M80 ball. It hovers around 3 MOA at 100 meters. I've heard a lot of guys get shotgun patterns with it thankfully that's not the case with my rifle. I haven't tried reloading the brass yet but it seems like quality... |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 8:42:09 AM EDT
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I'll have to pick up some of AIM's Hirt, even though I don't currently have a 7.62 rifle. I wish we could get more of that Australian 7.62 from years ago....
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Posted: 12/13/2015 8:42:51 AM EDT
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In some rifles. Mine seems to like their M80 ball. It hovers around 3 MOA at 100 meters. I've heard a lot of guys get shotgun patterns with it thankfully that's not the case with my rifle. I haven't tried reloading the brass yet but it seems like quality... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. In some rifles. Mine seems to like their M80 ball. It hovers around 3 MOA at 100 meters. I've heard a lot of guys get shotgun patterns with it thankfully that's not the case with my rifle. I haven't tried reloading the brass yet but it seems like quality... Like I said I've never used it. But I ordered some to try in my scar17 and 308 AR. As long as it goes bang every time and doesn't blow up my gun I'm generally pretty happy. I rarely shoot for groups and I have much nicer stuff for that. As long at it's not like a foot group at 100 yard, for the price it seems good for plinking. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 9:52:15 AM EDT
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It worked well in my StG58.
Going to try it out in my DPMS GII today. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 11:54:17 AM EDT
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ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. The biggest groups with the zqi out of my hoghunter have been 3moa. It averages just over 2 moa and 1.5" groups are extremely common. |
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Posted: 12/13/2015 2:50:14 PM EDT
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The biggest groups with the zqi out of my hoghunter have been 3moa. It averages just over 2 moa and 1.5" groups are extremely common. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. The biggest groups with the zqi out of my hoghunter have been 3moa. It averages just over 2 moa and 1.5" groups are extremely common. Disclaimer: Anecdotes are not data. A customer of ours reported being unable to zero his .308 rifle. He gave it to my gunsmith along with some of the ZQI he had been shooting, for testing. My gunsmith could find nothing wrong with the rifle so he test fired a few groups. They averaged SIX MOA. I gave him some of my production grade (Hornady 150gr FMJBT, mixed headstamps) hand loads to compare. That average came out to 1.2 MOA. Anecdotes are not data but, imho ZQI .308 is garbage. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:35:55 AM EDT
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Anecdotes are not data but, imho ZQI .308 is garbage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.53 cents a round? ZQI .50 cpr http://www.targetsportsusa.com/guardian-ammunition-762x51mm-m80-ammo-147-grain-fmj-grd762-p-58764.aspx Actually AIM has it for even less with shipping ZQI Is extremely inaccurate. The biggest groups with the zqi out of my hoghunter have been 3moa. It averages just over 2 moa and 1.5" groups are extremely common. Anecdotes are not data but, imho ZQI .308 is garbage. Goes bang everytime for $.50 cents per round. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:44:44 AM EDT
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ZQI prints all over the target with my BR308, but as I discovered a couple days ago, at least one of my FALs does much better with it.
Then again, it might be that my last box was from a different lot. It sure seemed to have less recoil. |
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Posted: 12/14/2015 1:49:22 AM EDT
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ZQI is pretty damn cheap at Walmart. I think it's $9.99.
Saves on the shipping, at least. |
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