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Posted: 11/28/2015 8:46:37 PM EDT
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This thread comes up every now and again. In college I lived in the city and in a bad enough part of town I could have seen carry at all times even in my apartment. I never did and was lucky nothing ever happened, I know of a few people that weren't as lucky. I live back in my hometown now and my neighborhood think has maybe had two break ins in the past 15 years. I have a gun in my night stand, I don't worry about anything else. I don't begrudge people who do. To play liberal devil's advocate, maybe it's not meteor hitting your head unlikely, from a pure numbers standpoint Im guessing accidental injury or death from a gun in the house is more likely than you being harmed by home invaders per capita. It's just a low probability occurrence. For people not familiar on a personal level with guns, your typical lib, strapping a gun to you from room to room in your house is going to sound like paranoia. Post as many home invader videos you like, they scare the shit out of me too and I understand people with families wanting to protect their own, but cherry picking scary articles doesn't change the numbers. You are around three-four times more likely to drown in your backyard pool than to die from accidental gunshot injury. It is such a low-probability occurence (<1000), you probably have a decent chance of finding as many Youtube videos of home invasions where there was a surveillance camera AND they posted it to Youtube for every single accidental U.S. Firearm death in a year. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 8:49:23 PM EDT
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If I have pants on, I'm carrying. ++ |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 8:51:10 PM EDT
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Yes, why in the name of God wouldn't you? Wrestling with kids, doing possum dance for the wife, watching tv in underwear, bathing, etc. 
Possum dance? You must post a vid of that! https://youtu.be/mKgey_o2axw
(I tried packing a Glock Jeb Greenfield style but the RTF was hell on my taint.) Too funny! I choked. I have neighbors like that where I am at in Texas for school. Hundred percent honest truth. A guy and his unmarried pregnant girlfriend moved in to my apartment complex I use for school housing. The girlfriend was rumored to be pregnant by his best friend. I have a feral cat colony I feed here at the apartments and am regularly visited by a mother possum and her yungins who raid the cat food. So when the new neighbor moved in, his father saw momma possum and scared her so that she froze and played dead. The father grabs the possum by the tail and takes her to his son and says here, I brought you a housewarming gift.... |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:05:38 PM EDT
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You are around three-four times more likely to drown in your backyard pool than to die from accidental gunshot injury. It is such a low-probability occurence (<1000), you probably have a decent chance of finding as many Youtube videos of home invasions where there was a surveillance camera AND they posted it to Youtube for every single accidental U.S. Firearm death in a year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread comes up every now and again. In college I lived in the city and in a bad enough part of town I could have seen carry at all times even in my apartment. I never did and was lucky nothing ever happened, I know of a few people that weren't as lucky. I live back in my hometown now and my neighborhood think has maybe had two break ins in the past 15 years. I have a gun in my night stand, I don't worry about anything else. I don't begrudge people who do. To play liberal devil's advocate, maybe it's not meteor hitting your head unlikely, from a pure numbers standpoint Im guessing accidental injury or death from a gun in the house is more likely than you being harmed by home invaders per capita. It's just a low probability occurrence. For people not familiar on a personal level with guns, your typical lib, strapping a gun to you from room to room in your house is going to sound like paranoia. Post as many home invader videos you like, they scare the shit out of me too and I understand people with families wanting to protect their own, but cherry picking scary articles doesn't change the numbers. You are around three-four times more likely to drown in your backyard pool than to die from accidental gunshot injury. It is such a low-probability occurence (<1000), you probably have a decent chance of finding as many Youtube videos of home invasions where there was a surveillance camera AND they posted it to Youtube for every single accidental U.S. Firearm death in a year. See now we are talking about very specific samples within some of the numbers listed in your link. 11k or so homicides by fire arms, how many of these were the home invasion scenario, unknown assailants break in your door, that people here are claiming they are worried about? Like most things crime related that can happen to you, most of it happens in lower economic urban areas, outside of that chances fall of quite dramatically. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:17:19 PM EDT
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There's always one just like this within arm's reach... whether I'm in the shower or in my recliner. Never know when someone's gonna invite themselves in my front door without permission. My wife used to think I was paranoid. She's seen one to many home invasions in the news and stopped questioning my decision to carry long ago. 
https://c672786.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/ProductImages/Kimber/Pistols/3900004.jpg That is so cute! Striker fired .380? |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:24:01 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1123.photobucket.com/user/daddgonemadd/media/IMG952014041195080605768_zps0f1597dc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l545/daddgonemadd/IMG952014041195080605768_zps0f1597dc.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1123.photobucket.com/user/daddgonemadd/media/IMG_20140330_084006510_zps22abc849.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l545/daddgonemadd/IMG_20140330_084006510_zps22abc849.jpg</a> If I have to reach over and pick up a gun, it is only to put the intruder out of their misery. But i do have one on now, as I'm out in the shop. He is in the house with my wife, who is PERFECTLY safe. You have one guard dog and one silly dog? |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:25:30 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1123.photobucket.com/user/daddgonemadd/media/EdwinandRiley_zpscf153953.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l545/daddgonemadd/EdwinandRiley_zpscf153953.jpg</a> Go ahead and try to touch my grandson. C'mon, give it a shot. Anyone? Haven't had a single taker on that challenge. Same thing with "walk over and touch my wife" Bet your house is fun for sleep overs! |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:27:27 PM EDT
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See now we are talking about very specific samples within some of the numbers listed in your link. 11k or so homicides by fire arms, how many of these were the home invasion scenario, unknown assailants break in your door, that people here are claiming they are worried about? Like most things crime related that can happen to you, most of it happens in lower economic urban areas, outside of that chances fall of quite dramatically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread comes up every now and again. In college I lived in the city and in a bad enough part of town I could have seen carry at all times even in my apartment. I never did and was lucky nothing ever happened, I know of a few people that weren't as lucky. I live back in my hometown now and my neighborhood think has maybe had two break ins in the past 15 years. I have a gun in my night stand, I don't worry about anything else. I don't begrudge people who do. To play liberal devil's advocate, maybe it's not meteor hitting your head unlikely, from a pure numbers standpoint Im guessing accidental injury or death from a gun in the house is more likely than you being harmed by home invaders per capita. It's just a low probability occurrence. For people not familiar on a personal level with guns, your typical lib, strapping a gun to you from room to room in your house is going to sound like paranoia. Post as many home invader videos you like, they scare the shit out of me too and I understand people with families wanting to protect their own, but cherry picking scary articles doesn't change the numbers. You are around three-four times more likely to drown in your backyard pool than to die from accidental gunshot injury. It is such a low-probability occurence (<1000), you probably have a decent chance of finding as many Youtube videos of home invasions where there was a surveillance camera AND they posted it to Youtube for every single accidental U.S. Firearm death in a year. See now we are talking about very specific samples within some of the numbers listed in your link. 11k or so homicides by fire arms, how many of these were the home invasion scenario, unknown assailants break in your door, that people here are claiming they are worried about? Like most things crime related that can happen to you, most of it happens in lower economic urban areas, outside of that chances fall of quite dramatically. 1. Your first assertion was that accidental firearms deaths are more common than home invasions - that is not correct. 2. You are now piling reasoning error on reasoning error by trying to determine probability of home invasion by using firearms homicide numbers - do you understand why that is ridiculous? 3. I'm sure the knowledge that he was undergoing a very low probability event was a great comfort to the CHL in that one video as he heard his wife dragged screaming into the room where his pistol was. Doubtless he was wondering how much better the economic area he lived in needed to be when they murdered him with the gun he put away in his bedroom. Especially since the effort involved to carry a gun in your own home is about on par with wearing pants while you sit on the couch. FYI: There were approximately 3.7 million home burglaries* a year reported in the NCVS between 2003-2007. At least one household member was present during 28% of those (Source). That makes around 1.036 million home invasions annually; around 266,000 of which involve the violent victimization of a household member (according to the official statistics). *Burglary is defined differently from the traditional definition used by law enforcement for the purpose of that report. Normally burglarly refers only to a property crime where no one was home. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:28:11 PM EDT
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A gun is always within reach when at home. But rarely on me.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:29:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ++ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I have pants on, I'm carrying. ++ I have a Galco Miami Classic II so this isn't an issue. I will probably have pants anyway but they will be flannel pajama pants (or maybe boxers) and unsuitable for supporting a firearm (or unsuitable for use with a belt that supports a firearm I guess). The Galco works just fine with the pajama pants though. It's awesome. I guess I could wear some kind of molle battlebelt with the pajama pants but I like the Galco. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:30:21 PM EDT
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So force of habit or me liking my gun is the only reason someone like me should choose to carry in the house? I hope if something happens to you in your home, you have that "air of paranoia" in the back of your mind that day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not as much as I should, but I'm getting in the habit. I live out in the middle of nowhere in a very low crime part of the state, but the meth heads around here break into homes that fit the description of mine. Isolated and new. Always have one in reach but I'm starting to carry on me. I've got a little one on the way so I'm trying to adjust my firearms habits at the house. In a situation like that I totally respect a desire to carry in your house. For that matter, anyone can do just about anything they want to in their home. I just think it odd for many people to attempt to articulate a rationalization for carrying in their house without an air of paranoia wafting around the words. If you just say you wear it out of force of habit or simply because you like your gun a lot and it simply pleases you to have it on -- both sound perfectly rational to me. But to state that a boogieman might come and get you when you live in the middle of Crackerville Suburbia, then it sounds a little unhinged. So force of habit or me liking my gun is the only reason someone like me should choose to carry in the house? I hope if something happens to you in your home, you have that "air of paranoia" in the back of your mind that day. Oh no, you misunderstood my meaning. You can articulate a concrete danger to your family -- you have a druggie problem in the area and burglaries are a concern. I was trying to say that is different than just a nebulous bad guy when you live in the middle of suburbia. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:30:45 PM EDT
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We don't talk about fight club This. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:39:47 PM EDT
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Reading some of these asinine posts makes me wonder how many Bloomberg Everytown trolls are on ARFCom.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:42:02 PM EDT
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I have a Galco Miami Classic II so this isn't an issue. I will probably have pants anyway but they will be flannel pajama pants (or maybe boxers) and unsuitable for supporting a firearm (or unsuitable for use with a belt that supports a firearm I guess). The Galco works just fine with the pajama pants though. It's awesome. I guess I could wear some kind of molle battlebelt with the pajama pants but I like the Galco. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I have pants on, I'm carrying. ++ I have a Galco Miami Classic II so this isn't an issue. I will probably have pants anyway but they will be flannel pajama pants (or maybe boxers) and unsuitable for supporting a firearm (or unsuitable for use with a belt that supports a firearm I guess). The Galco works just fine with the pajama pants though. It's awesome. I guess I could wear some kind of molle battlebelt with the pajama pants but I like the Galco. Or just leave it on your desk/coffee table/end table. 
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:45:51 PM EDT
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What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that most probably just like their guns and it pleases them to wear them. People ought to just say it like that, there is nothing wrong with it. But unless you live in a isolated or dangerous area, the meteor analogy comes into play. If you are looking at a risk assessment, there are other things of a much higher risk that probably need more attention. House fires, slip trips and falls, environmental hazards (do you live near a forest subject to fires, mud slides and the like). In 2011 there were exactly 100 home invasions in the entire Country. In other words you put a gun on when you wake up but when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<<<SNIPPED>>> You implied that to think that one might be the victim of a home invasion, e.g. "a boogieman might come and get you", i.e. articulating a rationale like a home invasion carries a inherent paranoid delusion of some sort. You did. You've already made up your mind that whatever explanation that somebody comes up with is going to be paranoid or unhinged. People who project refuse to admit such thoughts, as that allows them to avoid any blame or ownership for the logical conclusions of their thoughts. Obviously, you are unaware that you are projecting. Carry on.  What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that most probably just like their guns and it pleases them to wear them. People ought to just say it like that, there is nothing wrong with it. But unless you live in a isolated or dangerous area, the meteor analogy comes into play. If you are looking at a risk assessment, there are other things of a much higher risk that probably need more attention. House fires, slip trips and falls, environmental hazards (do you live near a forest subject to fires, mud slides and the like). In 2011 there were exactly 100 home invasions in the entire Country. In other words you put a gun on when you wake up but when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent? 
Like somebody wears jeans, because they like to. Like somebody wears t-shirts, because they like to. Like somebody wears a belt, just because they like to. Like somebody carries a pen, just because they like to. You cannot possibly be that dense or obtuse. It's just not possible. Everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 9:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or just leave it on your desk/coffee table/end table. Within reach is almost as good as on you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I have pants on, I'm carrying. ++ I have a Galco Miami Classic II so this isn't an issue. I will probably have pants anyway but they will be flannel pajama pants (or maybe boxers) and unsuitable for supporting a firearm (or unsuitable for use with a belt that supports a firearm I guess). The Galco works just fine with the pajama pants though. It's awesome. I guess I could wear some kind of molle battlebelt with the pajama pants but I like the Galco. Or just leave it on your desk/coffee table/end table. Within reach is almost as good as on you. It is; I'm not knocking the "arms reach" method. In fact I took the Galco off earlier and have a Glock within arms reach now. But if I'm moving around the house a lot doing some little chores or projects or whatever the Galco is nice. If I've settled in at the computer, couch, or workbench "arms reach" works just fine. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:03:10 PM EDT
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Yes.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:03:22 PM EDT
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It is; I'm not knocking the "arms reach" method. In fact I took the Galco off earlier and have a Glock within arms reach now. But if I'm moving around the house a lot doing some little chores or projects or whatever the Galco is nice. If I've settled in at the computer, couch, or workbench "arms reach" works just fine. For sure man. I'm an advocate of just keeping one close. Don't need to be showering and fucking with a gun belt on. 
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:14:25 PM EDT
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Like somebody wears jeans, because they like to. Like somebody wears t-shirts, because they like to. Like somebody wears a belt, just because they like to. Like somebody carries a pen, just because they like to. You cannot possibly be that dense or obtuse. It's just not possible. Everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<<<SNIPPED>>> You implied that to think that one might be the victim of a home invasion, e.g. "a boogieman might come and get you", i.e. articulating a rationale like a home invasion carries a inherent paranoid delusion of some sort. You did. You've already made up your mind that whatever explanation that somebody comes up with is going to be paranoid or unhinged. People who project refuse to admit such thoughts, as that allows them to avoid any blame or ownership for the logical conclusions of their thoughts. Obviously, you are unaware that you are projecting. Carry on. What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that most probably just like their guns and it pleases them to wear them. People ought to just say it like that, there is nothing wrong with it. But unless you live in a isolated or dangerous area, the meteor analogy comes into play. If you are looking at a risk assessment, there are other things of a much higher risk that probably need more attention. House fires, slip trips and falls, environmental hazards (do you live near a forest subject to fires, mud slides and the like). In 2011 there were exactly 100 home invasions in the entire Country. In other words you put a gun on when you wake up but when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent?
Like somebody wears jeans, because they like to. Like somebody wears t-shirts, because they like to. Like somebody wears a belt, just because they like to. Like somebody carries a pen, just because they like to. You cannot possibly be that dense or obtuse. It's just not possible. Everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting. 
Friend, come on. Psychological projection, also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
I have no impulse to carry as a regular part of my life. I do not carry at home. All I'm trying to say is that some people have a concrete concern that would lead them to carry at home. High crime area, shifty neighbors, isolated area with no readily available help. Those are all cool. And there are some people who live in a populated area with police nearby and no local history of crime who are teasing reality to justify carrying at home. My point is that it is okay to just say you carry at home because it simply pleases you to do so. It can appear irrational to stretch reality for a justification when all you gotta do is say I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me. Who am I to deny someone their blankie. (That's a snarky joke.) |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:17:25 PM EDT
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I've done it before when I've had strangers over (like repairmen). The only other time is if I'm on my way out the door to an event but I guess that doesn't count.
For the most part I don't see the point. There are firearms everywhere. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:19:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure man. I'm an advocate of just keeping one close. Don't need to be showering and fucking with a gun belt on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is; I'm not knocking the "arms reach" method. In fact I took the Galco off earlier and have a Glock within arms reach now. But if I'm moving around the house a lot doing some little chores or projects or whatever the Galco is nice. If I've settled in at the computer, couch, or workbench "arms reach" works just fine. For sure man. I'm an advocate of just keeping one close. Don't need to be showering and fucking with a gun belt on. Do you remember that vacuum sealed Glock for a shower gun a few years back? |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:24:14 PM EDT
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I can always tell the people who have barely begun considering self defense. They always make the same comment: "What are the odds?" My response is always the same: "What are the stakes?" See, if I want to gamble, I'll take a couple hundred bucks to the casino and play blackjack. I'm unwilling to gamble the lives of my wife and children. Therefore, I will take every advantage I can get when the dice come up snake-eyes and I come face-to-face with a sociopath. Best advantage in that situation? A loaded firearm near to hand, combined with the will and skill to use it. And as far as the idea that you're safe in your own home? Ridiculous. The very first true crime book ever written was In Cold Blood, back in the '60's. If Herb Clutter wasn't safe in Holcomb, KS, why the hell would you assume that you are today? That's just willful ignorance of fact. That good sir is the foundation of this country. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:24:52 PM EDT
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Do you remember that vacuum sealed Glock for a shower gun a few years back?
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It is; I'm not knocking the "arms reach" method. In fact I took the Galco off earlier and have a Glock within arms reach now. But if I'm moving around the house a lot doing some little chores or projects or whatever the Galco is nice. If I've settled in at the computer, couch, or workbench "arms reach" works just fine. For sure man. I'm an advocate of just keeping one close. Don't need to be showering and fucking with a gun belt on. Do you remember that vacuum sealed Glock for a shower gun a few years back?
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:28:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's FUNNY! Is that a true story? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is; I'm not knocking the "arms reach" method. In fact I took the Galco off earlier and have a Glock within arms reach now. But if I'm moving around the house a lot doing some little chores or projects or whatever the Galco is nice. If I've settled in at the computer, couch, or workbench "arms reach" works just fine. For sure man. I'm an advocate of just keeping one close. Don't need to be showering and fucking with a gun belt on. Do you remember that vacuum sealed Glock for a shower gun a few years back? That's FUNNY! Is that a true story? This is the oldest thread I could find on ARFCOM re: a shower gun and the vacuum sealed Glock is referenced as if it came up before so I don't think I found the source thread. https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=10&t=59561 |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:44:52 PM EDT
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I can always tell the people who have barely begun considering self defense. They always make the same comment: "What are the odds?" My response is always the same: "What are the stakes?" See, if I want to gamble, I'll take a couple hundred bucks to the casino and play blackjack. I'm unwilling to gamble the lives of my wife and children. Therefore, I will take every advantage I can get when the dice come up snake-eyes and I come face-to-face with a sociopath. Best advantage in that situation? A loaded firearm near to hand, combined with the will and skill to use it. And as far as the idea that you're safe in your own home? Ridiculous. The very first true crime book ever written was In Cold Blood, back in the '60's. If Herb Clutter wasn't safe in Holcomb, KS, why the hell would you assume that you are today? That's just willful ignorance of fact. That good sir is the foundation of this country. When I was in the Air Force I was a Safety Specialist -- investigate accidents, develop corrective measures, and inspect for potential risks of property loss or injury/death. We used a tool to assess risk called a (surprise!) Risk Assessment Matrix. 
An improbable catastrophic risk was worth keeping your eye on but not much else. Passive risk mitigation measures might be worth considering. To me a passive risk mitigation would be a gun in a drawer or maybe a burglar alarm with a panic button. Can you do more? Sure. But then we are back to an earlier point I made -- when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent? Do you have a carbon monoxide detector in your house? Does your natural gas piping use corrugated metal tubing? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? Non-slip surface in your tub? These have all killed many many more people in their homes. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:47:05 PM EDT
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http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd342/robertjvr/Banging-head-on-desk.gif Friend, come on. Psychological projection, also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. I have no impulse to carry as a regular part of my life. I do not carry at home. All I'm trying to say is that some people have a concrete concern that would lead them to carry at home. High crime area, shifty neighbors, isolated area with no readily available help. Those are all cool. And there are some people who live in a populated area with police nearby and no local history of crime who are teasing reality to justify carrying at home. My point is that it is okay to just say you carry at home because it simply pleases you to do so. It can appear irrational to stretch reality for a justification when all you gotta do is say I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me. Who am I to deny someone their blankie. (That's a snarky joke.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<<<SNIPPED>>> You implied that to think that one might be the victim of a home invasion, e.g. "a boogieman might come and get you", i.e. articulating a rationale like a home invasion carries a inherent paranoid delusion of some sort. You did. You've already made up your mind that whatever explanation that somebody comes up with is going to be paranoid or unhinged. People who project refuse to admit such thoughts, as that allows them to avoid any blame or ownership for the logical conclusions of their thoughts. Obviously, you are unaware that you are projecting. Carry on. What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that most probably just like their guns and it pleases them to wear them. People ought to just say it like that, there is nothing wrong with it. But unless you live in a isolated or dangerous area, the meteor analogy comes into play. If you are looking at a risk assessment, there are other things of a much higher risk that probably need more attention. House fires, slip trips and falls, environmental hazards (do you live near a forest subject to fires, mud slides and the like). In 2011 there were exactly 100 home invasions in the entire Country. In other words you put a gun on when you wake up but when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent?
Like somebody wears jeans, because they like to. Like somebody wears t-shirts, because they like to. Like somebody wears a belt, just because they like to. Like somebody carries a pen, just because they like to. You cannot possibly be that dense or obtuse. It's just not possible. Everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting. http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd342/robertjvr/Banging-head-on-desk.gif Friend, come on. Psychological projection, also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. I have no impulse to carry as a regular part of my life. I do not carry at home. All I'm trying to say is that some people have a concrete concern that would lead them to carry at home. High crime area, shifty neighbors, isolated area with no readily available help. Those are all cool. And there are some people who live in a populated area with police nearby and no local history of crime who are teasing reality to justify carrying at home. My point is that it is okay to just say you carry at home because it simply pleases you to do so. It can appear irrational to stretch reality for a justification when all you gotta do is say I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me. Who am I to deny someone their blankie. (That's a snarky joke.) You have no impulse. Why? Because you feel that it is silly, paranoid, etc. Logical and rational arguments are proffered to you for carrying within one's home. Now, since you've ridiculed those who carry (which is irrational and no argument against carrying), you find yourself in a position where you cannot admit that an impulse to carry is a sane thing to do, thus you deny that you even have the impulse, and you continue to ridicule those who do. Again, "everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting." Further, implying that I must apply for your approval by saying that "I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me" is extremely condescending. Your snarky and pompous attitude really isn't necessary, yet here you are... ridiculing away. Even further than that, you've caused some raised hackles in here simply because of how you've approached this subject: A common argument by gun-grabbers is "Well, I don't see the need for _____, so if you want ________, then you're silly or paranoid." You've duplicated that argument style in here quite nicely. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:49:47 PM EDT
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When I was in the Air Force I was a Safety Specialist -- investigate accidents, develop corrective measures, and inspect for potential risks of property loss or injury/death. We used a tool to assess risk called a (surprise!) Risk Assessment Matrix. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-eAu3qdV-MRY%2FTas3zsQqbsI%2FAAAAAAAAAhc%2FtXtb6J421to%2Fs1600%2Frisk%252Bmatrix.png&f=1 An improbable catastrophic risk was worth keeping your eye on but not much else. Passive risk mitigation measures might be worth considering. To me a passive risk mitigation would be a gun in a drawer or maybe a burglar alarm with a panic button. Can you do more? Sure. But then we are back to an earlier point I made -- when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent? Do you have a carbon monoxide detector in your house? Does your natural gas piping use corrugated metal tubing? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? Non-slip surface in your tub? These have all killed many many more people in their homes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I can always tell the people who have barely begun considering self defense. They always make the same comment: "What are the odds?" My response is always the same: "What are the stakes?" See, if I want to gamble, I'll take a couple hundred bucks to the casino and play blackjack. I'm unwilling to gamble the lives of my wife and children. Therefore, I will take every advantage I can get when the dice come up snake-eyes and I come face-to-face with a sociopath. Best advantage in that situation? A loaded firearm near to hand, combined with the will and skill to use it. And as far as the idea that you're safe in your own home? Ridiculous. The very first true crime book ever written was In Cold Blood, back in the '60's. If Herb Clutter wasn't safe in Holcomb, KS, why the hell would you assume that you are today? That's just willful ignorance of fact. That good sir is the foundation of this country. When I was in the Air Force I was a Safety Specialist -- investigate accidents, develop corrective measures, and inspect for potential risks of property loss or injury/death. We used a tool to assess risk called a (surprise!) Risk Assessment Matrix. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-eAu3qdV-MRY%2FTas3zsQqbsI%2FAAAAAAAAAhc%2FtXtb6J421to%2Fs1600%2Frisk%252Bmatrix.png&f=1 An improbable catastrophic risk was worth keeping your eye on but not much else. Passive risk mitigation measures might be worth considering. To me a passive risk mitigation would be a gun in a drawer or maybe a burglar alarm with a panic button. Can you do more? Sure. But then we are back to an earlier point I made -- when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent? Do you have a carbon monoxide detector in your house? Does your natural gas piping use corrugated metal tubing? Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? Non-slip surface in your tub? These have all killed many many more people in their homes. Low probability, high severity... and a very simple "risk mitigation method." Why are you so against some people wearing PPE? You should know better than that... being a "Safety Specialist" and all.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:52:22 PM EDT
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ITT, people who have never carried a gun, people with shitty uncomfortable carry rigs, and people who have apparently only overtly carry "duty weapons" gather to gawk in amazement that someone might sit on their couch at 9PM with their CCW still on  No kidding. I regularly fall asleep with my G19 holstered. It's plenty comfortable. What holster? Plain ol' Crossbreed Supertuck and a 5.11 2 3/4" reinforced belt. Thought that may be the holster, mine is very comfortable. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:55:33 PM EDT
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I guess my mind just works a little differently than yours. I like to question people and learn what drives them to do or feel what they feel. its nothing personal. I didn't mean to step on any feels. No feels involved on my part, I was just commenting on what I saw. But it's clear our minds do work differently. I consider questioning and learning to be something different than ridiculing and laughing. But that goes back to what I was trying to say from the start: your responses are the type I'd expect from a liberal. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:56:59 PM EDT
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I guess you could carry in your prison wallet even if you're neekid.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 10:59:14 PM EDT
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No feels involved on my part, I was just commenting on what I saw. But it's clear our minds do work differently. I consider questioning and learning to be something different than ridiculing and laughing. But that goes back to what I was trying to say from the start: your responses are the type I'd expect from a liberal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
No feels involved on my part, I was just commenting on what I saw. But it's clear our minds do work differently. I consider questioning and learning to be something different than ridiculing and laughing. But that goes back to what I was trying to say from the start: your responses are the type I'd expect from a liberal. It's classic trolling to say inflamatory dumb shit, then back up when you're called on it and claim you were just asking questions and trying to promote discussion, instead of intentionally being a dick. Gotta love that people still try such a lame old tactic. Quoted:
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Posted: 11/28/2015 11:09:01 PM EDT
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Well if I lived in Alaska I might well carry in my house. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmadworldnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fbear21-620x465.jpg&f=1 yes |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 11:14:14 PM EDT
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You have no impulse. Why? Because you feel that it is silly, paranoid, etc. Logical and rational arguments are proffered to you for carrying within one's home. Now, since you've ridiculed those who carry (which is irrational and no argument against carrying), you find yourself in a position where you cannot admit that an impulse to carry is a sane thing to do, thus you deny that you even have the impulse, and you continue to ridicule those who do. Again, "everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting." Further, implying that I must apply for your approval by saying that "I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me" is extremely condescending. Your snarky and pompous attitude really isn't necessary, yet here you are... ridiculing away. Even further than that, you've caused some raised hackles in here simply because of how you've approached this subject: A common argument by gun-grabbers is "Well, I don't see the need for _____, so if you want ________, then you're silly or paranoid." You've duplicated that argument style in here quite nicely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<<<SNIPPED>>> You implied that to think that one might be the victim of a home invasion, e.g. "a boogieman might come and get you", i.e. articulating a rationale like a home invasion carries a inherent paranoid delusion of some sort. You did. You've already made up your mind that whatever explanation that somebody comes up with is going to be paranoid or unhinged. People who project refuse to admit such thoughts, as that allows them to avoid any blame or ownership for the logical conclusions of their thoughts. Obviously, you are unaware that you are projecting. Carry on. What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that most probably just like their guns and it pleases them to wear them. People ought to just say it like that, there is nothing wrong with it. But unless you live in a isolated or dangerous area, the meteor analogy comes into play. If you are looking at a risk assessment, there are other things of a much higher risk that probably need more attention. House fires, slip trips and falls, environmental hazards (do you live near a forest subject to fires, mud slides and the like). In 2011 there were exactly 100 home invasions in the entire Country. In other words you put a gun on when you wake up but when was the last time you cleaned your dryer vent?
Like somebody wears jeans, because they like to. Like somebody wears t-shirts, because they like to. Like somebody wears a belt, just because they like to. Like somebody carries a pen, just because they like to. You cannot possibly be that dense or obtuse. It's just not possible. Everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting. http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd342/robertjvr/Banging-head-on-desk.gif Friend, come on. Psychological projection, also known as blame shifting, is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. I have no impulse to carry as a regular part of my life. I do not carry at home. All I'm trying to say is that some people have a concrete concern that would lead them to carry at home. High crime area, shifty neighbors, isolated area with no readily available help. Those are all cool. And there are some people who live in a populated area with police nearby and no local history of crime who are teasing reality to justify carrying at home. My point is that it is okay to just say you carry at home because it simply pleases you to do so. It can appear irrational to stretch reality for a justification when all you gotta do is say I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me. Who am I to deny someone their blankie. (That's a snarky joke.) You have no impulse. Why? Because you feel that it is silly, paranoid, etc. Logical and rational arguments are proffered to you for carrying within one's home. Now, since you've ridiculed those who carry (which is irrational and no argument against carrying), you find yourself in a position where you cannot admit that an impulse to carry is a sane thing to do, thus you deny that you even have the impulse, and you continue to ridicule those who do. Again, "everything that you are continuing to post merely serves to illustrate how much you are actually projecting." Further, implying that I must apply for your approval by saying that "I like my gun and I enjoy carrying it around with me" is extremely condescending. Your snarky and pompous attitude really isn't necessary, yet here you are... ridiculing away. Even further than that, you've caused some raised hackles in here simply because of how you've approached this subject: A common argument by gun-grabbers is "Well, I don't see the need for _____, so if you want ________, then you're silly or paranoid." You've duplicated that argument style in here quite nicely. I have no impulse because I've adopted other measures to address the risk. Believe me, you live in the middle of the city, you adopt measures. Those measures do not include carrying around in my house. Because the alternate measures are actually more effective. Hummmm, now what kind of things do people do in the city to prevent home invasions? No I will not say what I've done and will ignore any further discussion along those lines. I am not interested in offering any approval for what you do. It's your life, it's your home, it's your business. I've REPEATEDLY said at this point that some people have quite legitimate reasons for wanting to carry at home. And some people have invented a tortured logic to justify it when ANY JUSTIFICATION IS UNNECESSARY. All you got to do is say I carry because it pleases me to do so. Pleases me -- the person carrying. I COULD CARE LESS. What I did say that instead of inventing a hokey reason when a concrete threat does not exist in that individual, it would appear more rational if they just said I carry because I want to.. You are being purposely dense and argumentative at this point and I suspect it's because you misinterpreted my user name and ascribed certain beliefs and attitudes to me. The user name was meant as a joke. It doesn't mean.what you think it means. You are reading the absolutely wrong motivation into what I've written. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 11:22:39 PM EDT
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I no longer have to worry about children, have loaded firearms in every room, well except the bathroom. If i leave my sanctuary, i carry.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 11:30:24 PM EDT
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Nope, I never have carried a gun while I am in my home and no, I don’t see that changing anytime soon either. I try hard to live a low-key lifestyle and avoid trouble at all costs. I do have my great-grandfathers old double barrel shotgun from the 20's or 30's in a closet around here somewhere though. I should probably remember to get some bullets for it one of these days. I’ve been thinking more and more about Crazy Uncle Joe’s advice on home defense since I already have the gun. I do believe that if I am ever a target of a home invasion, everyone involved is going to have a very bad day, one way or another. Hopefully it will be the bad guys turn first though. I do have decent cell coverage most of the time while I am at my home. I don’t post much because I lurk here for the entertainment value above all else, but this thread pulled me in. Knowing the rest of my story, I pray I will be OK and that y'all will be OK with your choices too. Before the typical GD dog pile, yes, I have read my username. Cheers. LOL you going to use your badass skills to beat them with your hands? |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 11:33:08 PM EDT
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<<<SNIPPED>>> I have no impulse because I've adopted other measures to address the risk. Believe me, you live in the middle of the city, you adopt measures. Those measures do not include carrying around in my house. Because the alternate measures are actually more effective. Hummmm, now what kind of things do people do in the city to prevent home invasions? No I will not say what I've done and will ignore any further discussion along those lines. I am not interested in offering any approval for what you do. It's your life, it's your home, it's your business. I've REPEATEDLY said at this point that some people have quite legitimate reasons for wanting to carry at home. And some people have invented a tortured logic to justify it when ANY JUSTIFICATION IS UNNECESSARY. All you got to do is say I carry because it pleases me to do so. Pleases me -- the person carrying. I COULD CARE LESS. What I did say that instead of inventing a hokey reason when a concrete threat does not exist in that individual, it would appear more rational if they just said I carry because I want to.. You are being purposely dense and argumentative at this point and I suspect it's because you misinterpreted my user name and ascribed certain beliefs and attitudes to me. The user name was meant as a joke. It doesn't mean.what you think it means. You are reading the absolutely wrong motivation into what I've written. Oh, that's your problem. Carrying a gun isn't a method to prevent home invasions. Carrying a gun is a method to deal with a home invasion if/when it happens. You recognize at some level that a home invasion could happen, which is why you put security measures in place to try to prevent it. If you trust your security measures 100%, and choose to forego a relatively small measure of personal safety, that's on you. If you couldn't (think about it) care less, you wouldn't be wrapped around this axle, screeching that people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it. Nobody has to say anything to you. Nobody. If you truly couldn't care less, you wouldn't be continually harping on with "All you got to do is say _________ ...", but you are. Then you've got the pompous gall to imply that you're the authority for determining whether or not a concrete threat exists or not, for determining whether someone's reasoning is hokey or not. You're the one baselessly ridiculing people who arm themselves, and you think I'm being dense? Everything I know about you I learned from how you've portrayed yourself on arfcom. I know nothing about you except from here. There a reason I'm having this conversation with you... and not some random poster.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 12:33:54 AM EDT
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.... screeching that people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it. Nobody has to say anything to you. Nobody. If you truly couldn't care less, you wouldn't be continually harping on with "All you got to do is say _________ ...", but you are. .... .... I think you've got no other motivation other than to disparage gun owners. .... I keep "screeching" because you keeping attributing crap to me that I did not say, have never said, and do not believe. No other reason. I keep going on not because this issue is about carry at home or not -- you keep putting words in my mouth that never said. READ -- I NEVER ONCE SAID THIS: "people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it" I never said that. I don't believe that. Yet you keep OVER AND OVER saying that is what I wrote. I wrote that there are two cases: 1) people that can articulate a concrete reason for wanting to carry around their house. SOME examples include: a) I live in a high crime area, b) my neighbors are crazy, c) I live in a remote area, d) there are a lot of meth users that need money around me, e) I got bears in the woods. These are just some examples and there are many others. 2) people that cannot identify a concrete reason for carrying other than a nebulous bad guy might try to attack me. In discussing their basis for this concern, you find they live with dozens of neighbors, in an area with rapid police response, and little to no crime. To an average person this sounds unhinged. These people would be better off saying that they carry for subjective reasons and stop trying to invent an objective rational for carrying. Some subjective reasons might include: a) I like my gun and I enjoy wearing it, b) I carry it out of force of habit, or c) I carry it because it makes me feel safer. I've said those two things -- TWO TYPES OF SITUATIONS BOTH CARRYING -- like six times already. Both classes of people carry at home and I think they have every right to do so. That's what I said. Repeatedly. One more time, you keep saying what I wrote was "people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it". That is what I am "SCREECHING" about. Are we done yet or are you just doing this to "trigger" me? |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 12:41:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2015 12:51:32 AM EDT
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No. If I felt I had reason to carry in my home every day - its time to move to a (much) better neighborhood. If someone else wants to carry 24x7 because it makes them feel better - have at it. Because bad guys don't have cars?  What a sheltered little world people live in.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:11:57 AM EDT
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I keep "screeching" because you keeping attributing crap to me that I did not say, have never said, and do not believe. No other reason. I keep going on not because this issue is about carry at home or not -- you keep putting words in my mouth that never said. READ -- I NEVER ONCE SAID THIS: "people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it" I never said that. I don't believe that. Yet you keep OVER AND OVER saying that is what I wrote. I wrote that there are two cases: 1) people that can articulate a concrete reason for wanting to carry around their house. SOME examples include: a) I live in a high crime area, b) my neighbors are crazy, c) I live in a remote area, d) there are a lot of meth users that need money around me, e) I got bears in the woods. These are just some examples and there are many others. 2) people that cannot identify a concrete reason for carrying other than a nebulous bad guy might try to attack me. In discussing their basis for this concern, you find they live with dozens of neighbors, in an area with rapid police response, and little to no crime. To an average person this sounds unhinged. These people would be better off saying that they carry for subjective reasons and stop trying to invent an objective rational for carrying. Some subjective reasons might include: a) I like my gun and I enjoy wearing it, b) I carry it out of force of habit, or c) I carry it because it makes me feel safer. I've said those two things -- TWO TYPES OF SITUATIONS BOTH CARRYING -- like six times already. Both classes of people carry at home and I think they have every right to do so. That's what I said. Repeatedly. One more time, you keep saying what I wrote was "people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it". That is what I am "SCREECHING" about. Are we done yet or are you just doing this to "trigger" me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.... screeching that people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it. Nobody has to say anything to you. Nobody. If you truly couldn't care less, you wouldn't be continually harping on with "All you got to do is say _________ ...", but you are. .... .... I think you've got no other motivation other than to disparage gun owners. .... I keep "screeching" because you keeping attributing crap to me that I did not say, have never said, and do not believe. No other reason. I keep going on not because this issue is about carry at home or not -- you keep putting words in my mouth that never said. READ -- I NEVER ONCE SAID THIS: "people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it" I never said that. I don't believe that. Yet you keep OVER AND OVER saying that is what I wrote. I wrote that there are two cases: 1) people that can articulate a concrete reason for wanting to carry around their house. SOME examples include: a) I live in a high crime area, b) my neighbors are crazy, c) I live in a remote area, d) there are a lot of meth users that need money around me, e) I got bears in the woods. These are just some examples and there are many others. 2) people that cannot identify a concrete reason for carrying other than a nebulous bad guy might try to attack me. In discussing their basis for this concern, you find they live with dozens of neighbors, in an area with rapid police response, and little to no crime. To an average person this sounds unhinged. These people would be better off saying that they carry for subjective reasons and stop trying to invent an objective rational for carrying. Some subjective reasons might include: a) I like my gun and I enjoy wearing it, b) I carry it out of force of habit, or c) I carry it because it makes me feel safer. I've said those two things -- TWO TYPES OF SITUATIONS BOTH CARRYING -- like six times already. Both classes of people carry at home and I think they have every right to do so. That's what I said. Repeatedly. One more time, you keep saying what I wrote was "people just need to admit they shouldn't carry firearms because you don't carry firearms because there's no justification for it". That is what I am "SCREECHING" about. Are we done yet or are you just doing this to "trigger" me? Hey, let's look at what you did actually say: "In a situation like that I totally respect a desire to carry in your house. For that matter, anyone can do just about anything they want to in their home. I just think it odd for many people to attempt to articulate a rationalization for carrying in their house without an air of paranoia wafting around the words. If you just say you wear it out of force of habit or simply because you like your gun a lot and it simply pleases you to have it on -- both sound perfectly rational to me. But to state that a boogieman might come and get you when you live in the middle of Crackerville Suburbia, then it sounds a little unhinged." Your judgement on what's rational and what's not is that people who have a desire to carry inside their homes due to the possibility of a home invasion are NOT rational, but that people who carry 'just because' ARE rational. This is after you implied that maybe people in Alaska might have a reason to carry because a bear may crawl through their doggy door. Or we could go with this: "What I was trying to say, perhaps poorly, was that most probably just like their guns and it pleases them to wear them. People ought to just say it like that, there is nothing wrong with it." But you go on ahead and try to backpeddle away.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:14:49 AM EDT
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No. If I felt I had reason to carry in my home every day - its time to move to a (much) better neighborhood. If someone else wants to carry 24x7 because it makes them feel better - have at it. Because bad guys don't have cars? What a sheltered little world people live in.You mean they might drive to a well-off neighborhood where burglaries almost never happen, case a likely house, and then when they think nobody's home... a burglary turns into a home invasion because the owner took a sick day? That sounds too rational. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:25:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:28:11 AM EDT
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I keep one close. Not one on me. If you feel like you have to, you probably live in a shitty neighborhood or you are really paranoid. You might as well listen to a scanner and start taking pot shots.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:30:12 AM EDT
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I guess you could carry in your prison wallet even if you're neekid. Naked = you have no clothes on. Nekkid = you have no clothes on and you're up to something. Neekid = you have no clothes on and a gun up your ass. Got it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:31:10 AM EDT
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I keep one close. Not one on me. If you feel like you have to, you probably live in a shitty neighborhood or you are really paranoid. You might as well listen to a scanner and start taking pot shots. Who on earth would ever carry a gun out in public? If you feel like you have to, you probably need to move to a better area or you're really paranoid. For that matter, who needs a gun period? From what this thread has taught me, the cops are close by, and if you live in a good neighborhood you won't need them anyway. Sell guns, buy a nicer house. Problem solved. 
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:46:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:49:52 AM EDT
[#47]
If after world events in the last 2 weeks people here aren’t carrying all day, every day, something is very wrong. Always Be Carrying.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:52:31 AM EDT
[#48]
Put it on every morning, take it off when I go to bed. Every day for last 15 years.
I learned that no one can protect my family other than me. Evil happens immediately. I do have a concealed permit and have had half a dozen all weekend gun fighting courses. Older I get the more concerned I get. Maybe it's a little paranoia. At 68 even though I have had many years of martial arts, I came to the realization that being unarmed is totally foolish. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:56:52 AM EDT
[#49]
As mentioned previously in the thread... I carry.
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Posted: 11/29/2015 2:12:32 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
A gun is always within reach when at home. But rarely on me. My gun is always within reach, everyplace. My pistols, rifles, shotguns, not so much. This is my pistol, this is my gun. |
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