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I haven't bothered reading many of the recent spate of Islam threads, but I have seen a pattern here over the past ten or whatever years I have been staff.
Something happens, riots, terrorist attacks, cops kill someone, whatever People go batshit Staff and mods wait it out for a couple of days "Knock if off" warning Most people knock it off and go back to "grumble grumble coc prevents me" Some guys don't get it and keep it up ( add "I was drunk/ my wife left" etc) and get the boot as the examples with their heads on pikes around the village walls. |
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The membership can continue to discuss all kinds of tough topics, they just need to stay within the rules while doing so. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Being serious for a moment, it is worth noting that Site Staff and Moderators have done an exceptional job of balancing the "no kill em all" rule with allowing for a very open dialogue on subjects that are neither pleasant to discuss nor have easy answers. I hope this thread isn't a formal announcement that such discussions are to be drawn to a close and that moderation will be more stringent going forward. I respect and support the prohibition on suggesting genocide (aka "sheet of glass" or "turn X into a parking lot"), but the degree of leniency shown recently has actually allowed for a discussion instead of vague innuendos and animated gifs. The membership can continue to discuss all kinds of tough topics, they just need to stay within the rules while doing so. Wait a second.... Are you suggesting when Zhukov asked how to deal with the situation that really wasn't hunting over bait?!? You know I'm giving you a hard time, right? |
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What about a scorched earth policy in select parts of the earth...
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I would never say those words but the thought has crossed my mind lately. Kind of like, what if?
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Quoted: Wait a second.... Are you suggesting when Zhukov asked how to deal with the situation that really wasn't hunting over bait?!? You know I'm giving you a hard time, right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Being serious for a moment, it is worth noting that Site Staff and Moderators have done an exceptional job of balancing the "no kill em all" rule with allowing for a very open dialogue on subjects that are neither pleasant to discuss nor have easy answers. I hope this thread isn't a formal announcement that such discussions are to be drawn to a close and that moderation will be more stringent going forward. I respect and support the prohibition on suggesting genocide (aka "sheet of glass" or "turn X into a parking lot"), but the degree of leniency shown recently has actually allowed for a discussion instead of vague innuendos and animated gifs. The membership can continue to discuss all kinds of tough topics, they just need to stay within the rules while doing so. Wait a second.... Are you suggesting when Zhukov asked how to deal with the situation that really wasn't hunting over bait?!? You know I'm giving you a hard time, right? |
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Freedom be scary, yo.
COC/ your site your rules and all that. No problem with it |
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Quoted: Being serious for a moment, it is worth noting that Site Staff and Moderators have done an exceptional job of balancing the "no kill em all" rule with allowing for a very open dialogue on subjects that are neither pleasant to discuss nor have easy answers. I hope this thread isn't a formal announcement that such discussions are to be drawn to a close and that moderation will be more stringent going forward. I respect and support the prohibition on suggesting genocide (aka "sheet of glass" or "turn X into a parking lot"), but the degree of leniency shown recently has actually allowed for a discussion instead of vague innuendos and animated gifs. View Quote There are hundreds, if not thousands, of posts in the last 5 days that if I replaced 'Muslim' with 'Christian' I would be banned. Open dialogue goes both ways |
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Quoted: Quoted: What about a scorched earth policy in select parts of the earth... The bitch Mother Nature is blowing away the earth here. We've had gust on one ridge of 113mph So one spark and it'd be scorched. Anyone for a Sand Sammich? Ed |
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Quoted: The bitch Mother Nature is blowing away the earth here. We've had gust on one ridge of 113mph So one spark and it'd be scorched. Anyone for a Sand Sammich? Ed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about a scorched earth policy in select parts of the earth... The bitch Mother Nature is blowing away the earth here. We've had gust on one ridge of 113mph So one spark and it'd be scorched. Anyone for a Sand Sammich? Ed Cry me a river. I'm pretty sure half the fucking ocean is being dumped on Portland right now. |
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Quoted: No he doesn't.....most of my "time outs" came from VA, but I still ?? Him View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Heed the Warning Folks, this Mod doesn't play games No he doesn't.....most of my "time outs" came from VA, but I still ?? Him I think you've confused me with someone else, as I've never even sent you a warning. |
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We'll have to continue to agree to disagree. http://gutezitate.com/zitate-bilder/zitat-wollt-ihr-den-totalen-krieg-wollt-ihr-ihn-wenn-notig-totaler-und-radikaler-als-wir-ihn-uns-joseph-goebbels-184007.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is a difference between supporting World War II style total warfare and supporting genocide. We'll have to continue to agree to disagree. http://gutezitate.com/zitate-bilder/zitat-wollt-ihr-den-totalen-krieg-wollt-ihr-ihn-wenn-notig-totaler-und-radikaler-als-wir-ihn-uns-joseph-goebbels-184007.jpg My Deutsch is very limited, and I can't exactly drop that text into Google Translate. What does that say? |
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Quoted: Cry me a river. I'm pretty sure half the fucking ocean is being dumped on Portland right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about a scorched earth policy in select parts of the earth... The bitch Mother Nature is blowing away the earth here. We've had gust on one ridge of 113mph So one spark and it'd be scorched. Anyone for a Sand Sammich? Ed Cry me a river. I'm pretty sure half the fucking ocean is being dumped on Portland right now. It's Portland. Have you seen Burnside on a Friday night? Ed |
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I haven't bothered reading many of the recent spate of Islam threads, but I have seen a pattern here over the past ten or whatever years I have been staff. Something happens, riots, terrorist attacks, cops kill someone, whatever People go batshit Staff and mods wait it out for a couple of days "Knock if off" warning Most people knock it off and go back to "grumble grumble coc prevents me" Some guys don't get it and keep it up ( add "I was drunk/ my wife left" etc) and get the boot as the examples with their heads on pikes around the village walls. View Quote So what you're saying is you want to kill everyone who doesn't follow the CoC? All of 'em? |
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We'll have to continue to agree to disagree. http://gutezitate.com/zitate-bilder/zitat-wollt-ihr-den-totalen-krieg-wollt-ihr-ihn-wenn-notig-totaler-und-radikaler-als-wir-ihn-uns-joseph-goebbels-184007.jpg The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There is a difference between supporting World War II style total warfare and supporting genocide. We'll have to continue to agree to disagree. http://gutezitate.com/zitate-bilder/zitat-wollt-ihr-den-totalen-krieg-wollt-ihr-ihn-wenn-notig-totaler-und-radikaler-als-wir-ihn-uns-joseph-goebbels-184007.jpg The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" is that a love letter? ETA: dammit, I didn't catch your edit. |
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The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My Deutsch is very limited, and I can't exactly drop that text into Google Translate. What does that say? The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. |
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I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My Deutsch is very limited, and I can't exactly drop that text into Google Translate. What does that say? The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. |
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Quoted: No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. We're not talking about war; we're talking about TOTAL war, a war of extermination. |
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My Deutsch is very limited, and I can't exactly drop that text into Google Translate. What does that say? The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" I would respond: do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Eta: not "you" as in you. |
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No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My Deutsch is very limited, and I can't exactly drop that text into Google Translate. What does that say? The caption reads: "Do you want total war? Do you want it, if needed, more total and more radical, than we can even imagine it today?" I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. That's it entirely. I'd be happy, more than happy, if the Western world and the Muslim world could separate and go to their corners in peace like two prize fighters after 12 rounds on the mat. I was raised with no hatred, I have no higher power that is served by harm to Islam, I just want peace and to raise my child in as safe of an environment as possible. I'm the traditional pre-WWI isolationist American. Leave me to my toil and my family and I won't trouble you over yours. I do not believe that the Islamic world is willing to walk away from the fight. I won't accept that political correctness and geopolitical acceptance is a suicide pact. That is the direction we are heading toward and it is unacceptable. I have no lust for blood, I have no score that must be settled, I see no glory or honor in what it might take to safeguard our nation or our people. Winning is living our lives the way our forefathers fought to secure for us. What it takes to win may cost the souls of a generation. |
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I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. We're not talking about war; we're talking about TOTAL war, a war of extermination. Historically, what is your opinion of the firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo, and what is your opinion of the use of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? |
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I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. We're not talking about war; we're talking about TOTAL war, a war of extermination. No. Not a war of extermination. Not even close. Total war means you open Pandora's box. You don't pay heed to the cost. It doesn't mean you launch every missile and drop every bomb. It means you hit hard and where it hurts. You don't worry about international opinion. You accept that you are damned for your actions, but you do it anyway. It doesn't mean "kill them all." It really doesn't. It means being willing to do so. Total war means doing things you don't want to do, things you will never forgive yourself for doing, to protect your county. It means hitting a high value target even if the cost in collateral damage is high. It means hurting your conscience as much as you hurt your enemy. Total war is reprehensible because it kills the hearts and souls of the victor as much as it does the bodies and land of the loser. It is the ultimate failure of diplomacy and humanity, as it requires a nation or alliance of nations to suspend their beliefs and honor in exchange for survival. We may come to a point where victory, which I would define as winning militarily, diplomatically, and still retaining your cultural values and moral high ground, becomes impossible. That is where total war is the choice a nation must make. A deal with the devil to save your children at a cost that is unspeakable. Even a glimpse into Pandora's box, a battle or skirmish that crosses the line, leaves an incurable scar on those present. While I do believe we may reach the point of needing to suspend the honorable limitations placed by civilized nations on waging war, I'm not so daft as to think we can drink from that well and not be poisoned by it. |
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I'm all for killing everyone who supports terrorists or terrorism.
Seems like that is pretty much the only option to live in peace at this point anyway. It is just a matter of when and who ends up doing it. |
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Quoted: It's Portland. Have you seen Burnside on a Friday night? Ed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about a scorched earth policy in select parts of the earth... The bitch Mother Nature is blowing away the earth here. We've had gust on one ridge of 113mph So one spark and it'd be scorched. Anyone for a Sand Sammich? Ed Cry me a river. I'm pretty sure half the fucking ocean is being dumped on Portland right now. It's Portland. Have you seen Burnside on a Friday night? Ed I see Burnside every night unfortunately. |
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I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. We're not talking about war; we're talking about TOTAL war, a war of extermination. No, "total war" != "war of extermination". |
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No. Not a war of extermination. Not even close. Total war means you open Pandora's box. You don't pay heed to the cost. It doesn't mean you launch every missile and drop every bomb. It means you hit hard and where it hurts. You don't worry about international opinion. You accept that you are damned for your actions, but you do it anyway. It doesn't mean "kill them all." It really doesn't. It means being willing to do so. Total war means doing things you don't want to do, things you will never forgive yourself for doing, to protect your county. It means hitting a high value target even if the cost in collateral damage is high. It means hurting your conscience as much as you hurt your enemy. Total war is reprehensible because it kills the hearts and souls of the victor as much as it does the bodies and land of the loser. It is the ultimate failure of diplomacy and humanity, as it requires a nation or alliance of nations to suspend their beliefs and honor in exchange for survival. We may come to a point where victory, which I would define as winning militarily, diplomatically, and still retaining your cultural values and moral high ground, becomes impossible. That is where total war is the choice a nation must make. A deal with the devil to save your children at a cost that is unspeakable. Even a glimpse into Pandora's box, a battle or skirmish that crosses the line, leaves an incurable scar on those present. While I do believe we may reach the point of needing to suspend the honorable limitations placed by civilized nations on waging war, I'm not so daft as to think we can drink from that well and not be poisoned by it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. We're not talking about war; we're talking about TOTAL war, a war of extermination. No. Not a war of extermination. Not even close. Total war means you open Pandora's box. You don't pay heed to the cost. It doesn't mean you launch every missile and drop every bomb. It means you hit hard and where it hurts. You don't worry about international opinion. You accept that you are damned for your actions, but you do it anyway. It doesn't mean "kill them all." It really doesn't. It means being willing to do so. Total war means doing things you don't want to do, things you will never forgive yourself for doing, to protect your county. It means hitting a high value target even if the cost in collateral damage is high. It means hurting your conscience as much as you hurt your enemy. Total war is reprehensible because it kills the hearts and souls of the victor as much as it does the bodies and land of the loser. It is the ultimate failure of diplomacy and humanity, as it requires a nation or alliance of nations to suspend their beliefs and honor in exchange for survival. We may come to a point where victory, which I would define as winning militarily, diplomatically, and still retaining your cultural values and moral high ground, becomes impossible. That is where total war is the choice a nation must make. A deal with the devil to save your children at a cost that is unspeakable. Even a glimpse into Pandora's box, a battle or skirmish that crosses the line, leaves an incurable scar on those present. While I do believe we may reach the point of needing to suspend the honorable limitations placed by civilized nations on waging war, I'm not so daft as to think we can drink from that well and not be poisoned by it. It means being willing to pay whatever price is required to win. WWII was total war, and we didn't "exterminate" anyone. We did things that the international community still cries about, but they had to be done. |
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It means being willing to pay whatever price is required to win. WWII was total war, and we didn't "exterminate" anyone. We did things that the international community still cries about, but they had to be done. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I will answer that. I don't want it, but there may come a time where the survival of my nation and the people depends on it. The cost of peace is often paid by the suffering of war. No sane person hopes for war, of any kind. But as you say, sometimes there is no alternative. We're not talking about war; we're talking about TOTAL war, a war of extermination. No. Not a war of extermination. Not even close. Total war means you open Pandora's box. You don't pay heed to the cost. It doesn't mean you launch every missile and drop every bomb. It means you hit hard and where it hurts. You don't worry about international opinion. You accept that you are damned for your actions, but you do it anyway. It doesn't mean "kill them all." It really doesn't. It means being willing to do so. Total war means doing things you don't want to do, things you will never forgive yourself for doing, to protect your county. It means hitting a high value target even if the cost in collateral damage is high. It means hurting your conscience as much as you hurt your enemy. Total war is reprehensible because it kills the hearts and souls of the victor as much as it does the bodies and land of the loser. It is the ultimate failure of diplomacy and humanity, as it requires a nation or alliance of nations to suspend their beliefs and honor in exchange for survival. We may come to a point where victory, which I would define as winning militarily, diplomatically, and still retaining your cultural values and moral high ground, becomes impossible. That is where total war is the choice a nation must make. A deal with the devil to save your children at a cost that is unspeakable. Even a glimpse into Pandora's box, a battle or skirmish that crosses the line, leaves an incurable scar on those present. While I do believe we may reach the point of needing to suspend the honorable limitations placed by civilized nations on waging war, I'm not so daft as to think we can drink from that well and not be poisoned by it. It means being willing to pay whatever price is required to win. WWII was total war, and we didn't "exterminate" anyone. We did things that the international community still cries about, but they had to be done. I'm far from an authority on Christianity, but it is to me like the story of Abraham and Isaac. It is not the terrible deed, it is the moment of acceptance and willingness to do the deed. That is, as a country, where we need to be. No joy in the deed. None. And if there is a God, total war really doesn't mean a war of extermination. May we as a nation be spared that burden. |
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I'm all for killing everyone who supports terrorists or terrorism. Seems like that is pretty much the only option to live in peace at this point anyway. It is just a matter of when and who ends up doing it. View Quote I have no stomach for genocide. I could live with killing terrorists until they stop. |
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I'm all for killing everyone who supports terrorists or terrorism. Seems like that is pretty much the only option to live in peace at this point anyway. It is just a matter of when and who ends up doing it. I have no stomach for genocide. I could live with killing terrorists until they stop. So you're saying that all Muslims are terrorists? |
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I'm all for killing everyone who supports terrorists or terrorism. Seems like that is pretty much the only option to live in peace at this point anyway. It is just a matter of when and who ends up doing it. I have no stomach for genocide. I could live with killing terrorists until they stop. So you're saying that all Muslims are terrorists? I'm not sure how you read that into what I said. |
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Blaming an entire group for terrorism is like blaming every musician ever for Nickelback. (not mine) View Quote A coworker said this on Facebook. I told him that yes, we could blame all musicians for Nickleback. It was up to them to police their own. They should have nipped that shit in the bud. |
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