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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:03:05 PM EDT
Every time you see footage of a Panther tank it is always sin black and white footage, or crawling around like it was dragging a building. Here is a fully restored Panther maneuvering as it did back in it's youthful glory. It shows a hint of the monster it used to be during WWII
Now, imagine you are in a fox hole and you see that thing in the video's vantage point snarling as it rushes directly at you. No wonder our boys were so scared of those things. What you're hearing is the genuine article. 
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:11:00 PM EDT
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Do want...
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:18:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:25:52 PM EDT
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Do want... So much want... |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:27:33 PM EDT
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Very cool! Something about the diesel would have to get to you.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:33:47 PM EDT
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:34:57 PM EDT
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panthers has gasoline engines
{EDIT} M4A3E8 best tank of ww2, also korea |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:35:41 PM EDT
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. 
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:38:30 PM EDT
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Kinda felt like I should attempt to put a sticky bomb on the road wheel when it went by.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:38:37 PM EDT
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It sure tears up the lawn!
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:41:26 PM EDT
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Very cool! Something about the diesel would have to get to you. They were powered by a Maybach 12 cylinder gasoline engine. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:43:31 PM EDT
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I bet driving that thing is an exercise in fearing parts breakage.
You ain't getting Panther parts at Autozone or Pick-A-Part. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:43:31 PM EDT
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If our troops were afraid of the Panthers, imagine how scared the German troops were of the Shermans. Since we had thousand and our troops almost always had tank support, and the Germans had hundreds, and most of those got shot up by our fighters on the way to the battlefield.
Even though we won World War 2, GD is convinced that we would have won it better, if we had just fought it more like the Germans, who lost. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:45:48 PM EDT
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shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:45:51 PM EDT
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Am I the only one who thinks you should wear a helmet when operating in a tank?
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:46:16 PM EDT
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I wonder what kind of MPG it gets
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:50:18 PM EDT
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Every time you see footage of a Panther tank it is always sin black and white footage, or crawling around like it was dragging a building. Here is a fully restored Panther maneuvering as it did back in it's youthful glory. It shows a hint of the monster it used to be during WWII Now, imagine you are in a fox hole and you see that thing in the video's vantage point snarling as it rushes directly at you. No wonder our boys were so scared of those things. What you're hearing is the genuine article. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsodIneQGzIArchive search, it's a motherfucker. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:51:46 PM EDT
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I get the impression that the Sherman was a pretty good match for anything the Germans had at the beginning of the war.
The problem was the Germans developed better tanks. We put our empathises on airplane development. We did develop the Pershing but it was late and got to Europe in small quantities. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:52:35 PM EDT
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgPanzerfaust! (Sounds like a Heavy Metal band....) |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:52:56 PM EDT
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I wonder what kind of MPG GPM it gets FIFY |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:55:11 PM EDT
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Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . Late German tanks had very brittle armor and poor automotives. Sherman had no problem taking out T-34/85s. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:55:26 PM EDT
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Awesome. Need to do a panther inspired AR.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:55:30 PM EDT
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shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of I doubt that and the article you reference says absolutely nothing about it, it simply makes points about common misconceptions. Can you put real numbers out? |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:55:33 PM EDT
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Cool tank but I don't imagine myself in a fox hole....I imagine myslef in a building raining bottles of gas on it, lighting it on fire and then shootong the crew when they jump out.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 6:58:14 PM EDT
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I bet driving that thing is an exercise in fearing parts breakage. You ain't getting Panther parts at Autozone or Pick-A-Part. Meh. If you can afford a restored Panzer, you can afford to have any part you could possibly need custom machined. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:01:28 PM EDT
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GREASE BOMB THE TREADS!
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:02:44 PM EDT
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Very good tank, except that, for various reasons, mostly related to German production methods and typical over-engineering, the Germans could not make them fast enough. One would hope that the original design did not have the exhausts pointing straight up, and so giving a very nice tell-tale to opponents.
The very late war Shermans were up to fighting them, although under-armored. The Pershing, on the other hand, did all right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6LqB-RYUvY |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:04:34 PM EDT
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They were powered by a Maybach 12 cylinder gasoline engine. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very cool! Something about the diesel would have to get to you. They were powered by a Maybach 12 cylinder gasoline engine. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That works too... |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:04:45 PM EDT
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Just as a matter of interest, does anyone know what happened to the panther found in the dudes basement in Germany some months back?
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:05:44 PM EDT
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Those things have a great lope at idle too.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:05:49 PM EDT
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Sexy!
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:06:03 PM EDT
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IIRC, on the tank rebuilding cable show, they took apart a Panther transmission which showed unmistakable evidence of production sabotage.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:06:59 PM EDT
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And the French used a bunch of those things post-war.
Decent tank for the era, actually. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:07:08 PM EDT
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On the Sherman debate, our very own manic_moran dispels some myths:
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:13:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:15:14 PM EDT
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Best anti tank gun mounted on a tank from WW2 on the Panther.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:21:36 PM EDT
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Inside while it's moving
https://youtu.be/eGBLt5NB3HA Couldn't find an Inside the Chieftain's Hatch review on the Panther |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:22:12 PM EDT
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Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. shermans killed more panthers during the bulge than vice versa http://knowledgeglue.com/dispelling-myths-surrounding-m4-sherman/ the T-34 was a much better steel coffin, very hard to get into and out of Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . No. Shermans killed more Panthers than the reverse. The primary killer of Shermans was towed AT guns. Shermans were indeed more mechanically reliable than basically anyone else's tanks. They were also better at keeping the crew alive: 1 of the 5 man crew, on average, became a casualty of any kind when the tank was knocked out in combat; German tanks had a rather higher proportion of crew casualties. And after "wet stowage" of ammunition started getting fielded, the proportion of fires--which had been comparable to everyone else's, btw, declined significantly. Add to that, Sherman 75mm guns with APC and HVAP ammo could penetrate a Panther from the side at almost any engagement distance, and from the front up close. The 76mm made it much better--the M4 versions with (76) in the name could penetrate a Panther frontally out to about half a klick with M79 AP ammo, almost a full kilometer with HVAP rounds. Throw in the Sherman's vastly better reliability, superior power:weight ratio in later models, and once you get the HVSS, the ground pressures decreased enough that it could best the Panther in any mobility contest as well as having a very good chance of perforating it from most engagement aspects with standard ammo, and the Sherman actually comes out the better tank from an army's perspective. That we built nearly 50,000 of them all told is just icing on the cake. US tankers had far lower casualty figures than US infantrymen on a proportional basis. Also lower than German tankers in Western Europe, IIRC. Stop repeating the "Shermans only won because of quantity" BS. It's been debunked quite a few times, yet it keeps coming back up like some terrible case of jock-itch. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:23:19 PM EDT
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I know very little about tanks, do they have manual transmissions in the Panther? I'd always thought they'd run a hydrostatic setup.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:25:03 PM EDT
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Good tanks until their transmissions grenaded.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:25:41 PM EDT
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What round for refugee?
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:26:33 PM EDT
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Neat. The Panther was the best medium tank during the war with a good combination of armor, speed and firepower.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:29:56 PM EDT
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Facts say otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. While America had a lot of cool stuff in WW2, tanks were surely not one of them. am more inclined to believe the crew who rode in these things..... As well as multiple books that discuss this subject. "Sherman tanks were not nearly as efficient or as armored as the primary German tank, the Panzer IV. These disparities are shown in an account of the famous Lt. Colonel William B. Lovelady, commander of the 3rd Armored Division’s 2nd Battalion, retold by Lt. Colonel Haynes DuganThis was a fact even before the upgrading of Panzer gun barrels and armor in 1943. Shermans were under-gunned when fighting German Tiger tanks and out-maneuvered when facing German Panther tanks."
ETA: More info on them and why they sucked. http://archives.library.illinois.edu/blog/poor-defense-sherman-tanks-ww2/ |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:30:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:31:07 PM EDT
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Am I the only one who thinks you should wear a helmet when operating in a tank? A lot of people on this board to wear a helmet when operating in GD.
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:31:26 PM EDT
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Actual source based historical facts from our own Moran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjp_4jY8pY
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Only because there were more Sherman's and they were used accordingly . Logistics made the difference not tank quality though the Sherman was more mechanically reliable . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNjp_4jY8pY
Excellent video, also shows how american politics can overshadow reality. |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:32:07 PM EDT
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I'll be in my bunk
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:34:47 PM EDT
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While America had a lot of cool stuff in WW2, tanks were surely not one of them. am more inclined to believe the crew who rode in these things..... As well as multiple books that discuss this subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6l7sCoWX4
ETA: More info on them and why they sucked. http://archives.library.illinois.edu/blog/poor-defense-sherman-tanks-ww2/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7SgBest steel coffin ever designed in the western hemisphere. While America had a lot of cool stuff in WW2, tanks were surely not one of them. am more inclined to believe the crew who rode in these things..... As well as multiple books that discuss this subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6l7sCoWX4
ETA: More info on them and why they sucked. http://archives.library.illinois.edu/blog/poor-defense-sherman-tanks-ww2/ because silly rumors always win when repeated enough, ever hear of the matel m-16? and how it's a jamomatic that doesn't need cleaning, and how it cant shoot ak rounds, but the ak can shoot it's ammo? |
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:35:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll see your Panther and raise you a Sherman......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw36FRA7Sg |
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