[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Shooting Titanium ??? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/12/2015 7:58:39 PM EDT
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Would it ignite, throw off sparks, or just punch a hole like a steel plate?
http://www.providentmetals.com/elemental-1-avdp-pound-999-fine-titanium-bar.html 
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Quoted: I'm really impressed a pound of Titanium is only 33 bucks... Not that I could form it into anything useable of course.... |
| There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. |
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titanium isn't expensive, its machining it that is expensive. titanium oxide is like $9/lb and used in wall paint as white. Quoted:
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I'm really impressed a pound of Titanium is only 33 bucks... Not that I could form it into anything useable of course.... titanium isn't expensive, its machining it that is expensive. titanium oxide is like $9/lb and used in wall paint as white. Obtaining metallic titanium is a lot more expensive than titanium dioxide. (From a production standpoint) |
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Damn, a 12"x12"x1" titanium plate is $750. http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=12682&step=4&showunits=inches&id=322&top_cat=1353 |
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I'm really impressed a pound of Titanium is only 33 bucks... Not that I could form it into anything useable of course.... titanium isn't expensive, its machining it that is expensive. titanium oxide is like $9/lb and used in wall paint as white. Obtaining metallic titanium is a lot more expensive than titanium dioxide. (From a production standpoint) thats true but were not talking about rhodium, more stuff isn't made from Ti because of its machining characteristics then its availability. if there were a bigger call for it to be used and easier to machine or stamp into things (like hoods and fenders) the process for extracting it from TiO2 would come down too. |
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? |
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Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Awesome! I was hoping someone either had video, or could try it and post pics/video. |
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Awesome! I was hoping someone either had video, or could try it and post pics/video. Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Awesome! I was hoping someone either had video, or could try it and post pics/video. The plate I got is 8"x10" and about 1/2 thick. It Ti 64A I think. |
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The plate I got is 8"x10" and about 1/2 thick. It Ti 64A I think. Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Awesome! I was hoping someone either had video, or could try it and post pics/video. The plate I got is 8"x10" and about 1/2 thick. It Ti 64A I think. Ooohhhhhhh..... I wonder if a 55grain 5.56 would even get through it. Kind of doubt it. |
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9mm isn't exactly 5.56. 
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COOL. I expected sparks to be white. Those orange sparks look more like that of iron/steel. |
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Depending on what round you shoot at it, it will be just like shooting at mild steel.
It looks like you only have CP (commercially pure titanium) - not extremely strong. If you want a good target, get a 1/2" or thicker piece of Ti-6Al-4V plate. That alloy is used for armor plate, thickness depends on vehicle and whatis expected to be shot at with or what protection level you want. Lots of 6-4 has been added to US tanks and APCs, plus other vehicles. |
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titanium isn't expensive, its machining it that is expensive. titanium oxide is like $9/lb and used in wall paint as white. Quoted:
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I'm really impressed a pound of Titanium is only 33 bucks... Not that I could form it into anything useable of course.... titanium isn't expensive, its machining it that is expensive. titanium oxide is like $9/lb and used in wall paint as white. Some grades / alloys ARE very expensive. Beta alloys can sell for over $100 a pound, in sheet or plate form. Many processing steps required, and processing losses can be high. CP Ti is probably selling for about $9-14 / lb now, for cold rolled sheet. |
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Ooohhhhhhh..... I wonder if a 55grain 5.56 would even get through it. Kind of doubt it. Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Awesome! I was hoping someone either had video, or could try it and post pics/video. The plate I got is 8"x10" and about 1/2 thick. It Ti 64A I think. Ooohhhhhhh..... I wonder if a 55grain 5.56 would even get through it. Kind of doubt it. I have a piece of 3/4" that I've shot with 5.56. Depth of penetration isn't much different than steel. The craters are very different looking though. They are very jagged and blocky spalls. ETA- I didn't notice any sparks in daylight even with ss109. |
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Beta 21S? For armor plate you want 6-4 or ATI 425. Cross roll ratio is important for best ballistic properties. |
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I'm really impressed a pound of Titanium is only 33 bucks... Not that I could form it into anything useable of course.... Yeah, well, MFG's who make Ti stuff are all trying to claim that it's expensive as shit which is why their Ti wares are $200+. There's a reason I don't buy their shit. And I'm not talking about stuff that needs a lot of machining. I'm talking about stamped products, that are thin metal. |
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Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Hey Tom you out today. I got some plate if you want to try? Yeppers, just got here, good ole night shift. I've always wanted to try some but never went through the hassle to buy any from work. ETA: RedBones your gonna have to PM me who you are lol. You obviously know Who I am 
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Beta 21S? For armor plate you want 6-4 or ATI 425. Cross roll ratio is important for best ballistic properties. Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Beta 21S? For armor plate you want 6-4 or ATI 425. Cross roll ratio is important for best ballistic properties. Yes 21S scares the crap out of me when we roll that stuff 
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Beta 21S? For armor plate you want 6-4 or ATI 425. Cross roll ratio is important for best ballistic properties. Yes 21S scares the crap out of me when we roll that stuff Who hot rolls it for you now? ATI Houston used to do a good job. |
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Damn, a 12"x12"x1" titanium plate is $750. http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=12682&step=4&showunits=inches&id=322&top_cat=1353 |
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Who hot rolls it for you now? ATI Houston used to do a good job. Quoted:
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There are lots of Titanium alloys and heat treating processes. I work on a titanium cold rolling mill. And when one breaks it can throw sparks like a mofo! One alloy is so brittle when it breaks it shatters and throws shrapnel. Having said that I work with coils not titanium plate so I don't know what alloy would work best. Beta 21S? For armor plate you want 6-4 or ATI 425. Cross roll ratio is important for best ballistic properties. Yes 21S scares the crap out of me when we roll that stuff Who hot rolls it for you now? ATI Houston used to do a good job. Maybe my tin foil is on to tight, but I had to sign a non disclosure form about 10 pages thick. So I am afraid to go into any more info. And to be honest I don't know but could find out in about 10 seconds. I'm not the roller that does the paperwork, just his lowly assistant 
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Would it ignite, throw off sparks, or just punch a hole like a steel plate? http://www.providentmetals.com/elemental-1-avdp-pound-999-fine-titanium-bar.html https://smhttp-ssl-12068.nexcesscdn.net/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/i/titanium-bar.jpg Try it with magnesium. 
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I've seen titanium throw off sparks when blasted with an abrasive. Quoted:
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Spall like crazy? Wouldn't spark for sure. Titanium is pyrophoric when finely ground. Ever see those big salutes at a fireworks display, the ones that throw out a mass of bright white sparks? Those sparks are titanium. |
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I've seen titanium throw off sparks when blasted with an abrasive. Quoted:
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Spall like crazy? Wouldn't spark for sure. Light some titanium grindings "swarf" it doesn't just burn it flash burns like black powder. |
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Titanium is pyrophoric when finely ground. Ever see those big salutes at a fireworks display, the ones that throw out a mass of bright white sparks? Those sparks are titanium. Quoted:
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Spall like crazy? Wouldn't spark for sure. Titanium is pyrophoric when finely ground. Ever see those big salutes at a fireworks display, the ones that throw out a mass of bright white sparks? Those sparks are titanium. That is sponge titanium. |
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That is sponge titanium. Quoted:
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Spall like crazy? Wouldn't spark for sure. Titanium is pyrophoric when finely ground. Ever see those big salutes at a fireworks display, the ones that throw out a mass of bright white sparks? Those sparks are titanium. That is sponge titanium. Yep. It's much safer to handle than fine dust, which can and will combust on contact with air. As an old pyro who still has all his digits, fine powder titanium is something I want nothing to do with. I'd rather handle 2 micron magnesium than 2 micron titanium...and 2 mike magnesium is some scary shit. |
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1.25" thick Ti disc, shot with M855, Black tip .06, 7.5 Swiss, .50BMG ball &.50 BMG AP. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80613 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80614 Cool! Did it throw sparks when hit, or could you see it? |
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Cool! Did it throw sparks when hit, or could you see it? Quoted:
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1.25" thick Ti disc, shot with M855, Black tip .06, 7.5 Swiss, .50BMG ball &.50 BMG AP. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80613 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80614 Cool! Did it throw sparks when hit, or could you see it? Not that I could see. |
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1.25" thick Ti disc, shot with M855, Black tip .06, 7.5 Swiss, .50BMG ball &.50 BMG AP. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80613 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=80614 What grade or alloy is it? |
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Yep. It's much safer to handle than fine dust, which can and will combust on contact with air. As an old pyro who still has all his digits, fine powder titanium is something I want nothing to do with. I'd rather handle 2 micron magnesium than 2 micron titanium...and 2 mike magnesium is some scary shit. Quoted:
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Spall like crazy? Wouldn't spark for sure. Titanium is pyrophoric when finely ground. Ever see those big salutes at a fireworks display, the ones that throw out a mass of bright white sparks? Those sparks are titanium. That is sponge titanium. Yep. It's much safer to handle than fine dust, which can and will combust on contact with air. As an old pyro who still has all his digits, fine powder titanium is something I want nothing to do with. I'd rather handle 2 micron magnesium than 2 micron titanium...and 2 mike magnesium is some scary shit. Some of my co workers new these poor guys 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-dead-in-explosion-at-w-va-chemical-plant/ |