[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Another Facebook gun argument . . . (Page 1 of 3)
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I live by the idea that if an argument fails when brought to its logical extremes, the original argument fails. Words and ideas have killed more people than any weapon. Weapons were often the method used for the killing, but the killing wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the words and ideas that started the whole thing. I submit that words are more dangerous than weapons, because words are the cause, weapons are simply the tool. So, taking this, we should dismiss the 1st amendment and follow that chart for words and ideas. Or course, thought precedes words, so we should also regulate thought. I do not believe that any killing, whether genocide, mass shooting, crime-related or one-time emotional killing, was not preceded by not only thought at the moment, but the life experience of the individual. It seems reasonable to regulate thought and ideas. So let us have reasonable thought and idea regulation. |
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Owning a gun is a right driving a car is not This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. |
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NVM PAUL v. VIRGINIA. . It was undoubtedly the object of the clause in question to place the citizens of each State
upon the same footing with citizens of other States, so far as the advantages resulting from citizenship in those States are concerned. It relieves them from the disabilities of alienage in other States; it inhibits discriminating legislation against them by other States; it gives them the right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them; it insures to them in other States the same freedom possessed by the citizens of those States in the acquisition and enjoyment of property and in the pursuit of happiness; and it secures to them in other States the equal protection of their laws. It has been justly said that no provision in the Constitution has tended so strongly to constitute the citizens of the United States one people as this. CRANDALL v. STATE OF NEVADA : But if the government has these rights on her own account, the citizen also has correlative rights. He has the right to come to the seat of government to assert any claim he may have upon that government, or to transact any business he may have with it. To seek its protection, to share its offices, to engage in administering its functions. He has a right to free access to its sea-ports, through which all the operations of foreign trade and commerce are conducted, to the sub-treasuries, the land offices, the revenue offices, and the courts of justice in the several States, and this right is in its nature independent of the will of any State over whose soil he must pass in the exercise of it.
The views here advanced are neither novel nor unsupported by authority. The question of the taxing power of the States, as its exercise has affected the functions of the Federal government, has been repeatedly considered by this [73 U.S. 35, 45] court, and the right of the States in this mode to impede or embarrass the constitutional operations of that government, or the rights which its citizens hold under it, has been uniformly denied. ... It will be observed that it was not the extent of the tax in that case which was complained of, but the right to levy any tax of that character. So in the case before us it may be said that a tax of one dollar for passing through the State of Nevada, by stage coach or by railroad, cannot sensibly affect any function of the government, or deprive a citizen of any valuable right. But if the State can tax a railroad passenger one dollar, it can tax him one thousand dollars. If one State can do this, so can every other State. And thus one or more States covering the only practicable routes of travel from the east to the west, or from the north to the south, may totally prevent or seriously burden all transportation of passengers from one part of the country to the other. [73 U.S. 35, 47] A case of another character in which the taxing power as exercised by a State was held void because repugnant to the Federal Constitution, is that of Brown v. The State of Maryland. 9 The State of Maryland required all importers of foreign merchandise, who sold the same by wholesale, by bale or by package, to take out a license, and this act was claimed to be unconstitutional. The court held it to be so on three different grounds: first, that it was a duty on imports; second, that it was a regulation of commerce; and third, that the importer who had paid the duties imposed by the United States, had acquired a right to sell his goods in the same original packages in which they were imported. To say nothing of the first and second grounds, we have in the third a tax of a State declared to be void, because it interfered with the exercise of a right derived by the importer from the laws of the United States. If the right of passing through a State by a citizen of the United States is one guaranteed to him by the Constitution, it must be as sacred from State taxation as the right derived by the importer from the payment of duties to sell the goods on which the duties were paid. - ... In The Passenger Cases, to which reference has already been made, Justice Grier, with whom Justice Catron concurred, makes this one of the four propositions on which they held the tax void in those cases. Judge Wayne expresses his assent to Judge Grier's views; and perhaps this ground received the concurrence of more of the members of the court who constituted the majority than any other. But the principles here laid down may be found more clearly stated in the dissenting opinion of the Chief Justice in those cases, and with more direct pertinency to the case now before us than anywhere else. After expressing his views fully in favor of the validity of the tax, which he said had exclusive reference to foreigners, so far as those cases were concerned, he proceeds to say, for the purpose of preventing misapprehension, that so far as the tax affected American citizens it could not in his opinion be maintained. He then adds: 'Living as we do under a common government, charged with the great concerns of the whole Union, every citizen of the United States from the most remote States or territories, is entitled to free access, not only to the principal departments established at Washington, but also to its judicial tribunals and public offices in every State in the Union. . . . For all the great purposes for which the Federal government was formed we are one people, with one common country. [73 U.S. 35, 49] We are all citizens of the United States, and as members of the same community must have the right to pass and repass through every part of it without interruption, as freely as in our own States. And a tax imposed by a State, for entering its territories or harbors, is inconsistent with the rights which belong to citizens of other States as members of the Union, and with the objects which that Union was intended to attain. Such a power in the States could produce nothing but discord and mutual irritation, and they very clearly do not possess it.' Although these remarks are found in a dissenting opinion, they do not relate to the matter on which the dissent was founded. They accord with the inferences which we have already drawn from the Constitution itself, and from the decisions of this court in exposition of that instrument. Those principles, as we have already stated them in this opinion, must govern the present case. |
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Quoted: This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. Quoted: Quoted: Owning a gun is a right driving a car is not This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? |
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Quoted: Quoted: NVM PAUL v. VIRGINIA. . It was undoubtedly the object of the clause in question to place the citizens of each State upon the same footing with citizens of other States, so far as the advantages resulting from citizenship in those States are concerned. It relieves them from the disabilities of alienage in other States; it inhibits discriminating legislation against them by other States; it gives them the right of free ingress into other States, and egress from them; it insures to them in other States the same freedom possessed by the citizens of those States in the acquisition and enjoyment of property and in the pursuit of happiness; and it secures to them in other States the equal protection of their laws. It has been justly said that no provision in the Constitution has tended so strongly to constitute the citizens of the United States one people as this. CRANDALL v. STATE OF NEVADA : But if the government has these rights on her own account, the citizen also has correlative rights. He has the right to come to the seat of government to assert any claim he may have upon that government, or to transact any business he may have with it. To seek its protection, to share its offices, to engage in administering its functions. He has a right to free access to its sea-ports, through which all the operations of foreign trade and commerce are conducted, to the sub-treasuries, the land offices, the revenue offices, and the courts of justice in the several States, and this right is in its nature independent of the will of any State over whose soil he must pass in the exercise of it. The views here advanced are neither novel nor unsupported by authority. The question of the taxing power of the States, as its exercise has affected the functions of the Federal government, has been repeatedly considered by this [73 U.S. 35, 45] court, and the right of the States in this mode to impede or embarrass the constitutional operations of that government, or the rights which its citizens hold under it, has been uniformly denied. ... It will be observed that it was not the extent of the tax in that case which was complained of, but the right to levy any tax of that character. So in the case before us it may be said that a tax of one dollar for passing through the State of Nevada, by stage coach or by railroad, cannot sensibly affect any function of the government, or deprive a citizen of any valuable right. But if the State can tax a railroad passenger one dollar, it can tax him one thousand dollars. If one State can do this, so can every other State. And thus one or more States covering the only practicable routes of travel from the east to the west, or from the north to the south, may totally prevent or seriously burden all transportation of passengers from one part of the country to the other. [73 U.S. 35, 47] A case of another character in which the taxing power as exercised by a State was held void because repugnant to the Federal Constitution, is that of Brown v. The State of Maryland. 9 The State of Maryland required all importers of foreign merchandise, who sold the same by wholesale, by bale or by package, to take out a license, and this act was claimed to be unconstitutional. The court held it to be so on three different grounds: first, that it was a duty on imports; second, that it was a regulation of commerce; and third, that the importer who had paid the duties imposed by the United States, had acquired a right to sell his goods in the same original packages in which they were imported. To say nothing of the first and second grounds, we have in the third a tax of a State declared to be void, because it interfered with the exercise of a right derived by the importer from the laws of the United States. If the right of passing through a State by a citizen of the United States is one guaranteed to him by the Constitution, it must be as sacred from State taxation as the right derived by the importer from the payment of duties to sell the goods on which the duties were paid. - ... In The Passenger Cases, to which reference has already been made, Justice Grier, with whom Justice Catron concurred, makes this one of the four propositions on which they held the tax void in those cases. Judge Wayne expresses his assent to Judge Grier's views; and perhaps this ground received the concurrence of more of the members of the court who constituted the majority than any other. But the principles here laid down may be found more clearly stated in the dissenting opinion of the Chief Justice in those cases, and with more direct pertinency to the case now before us than anywhere else. After expressing his views fully in favor of the validity of the tax, which he said had exclusive reference to foreigners, so far as those cases were concerned, he proceeds to say, for the purpose of preventing misapprehension, that so far as the tax affected American citizens it could not in his opinion be maintained. He then adds: 'Living as we do under a common government, charged with the great concerns of the whole Union, every citizen of the United States from the most remote States or territories, is entitled to free access, not only to the principal departments established at Washington, but also to its judicial tribunals and public offices in every State in the Union. . . . For all the great purposes for which the Federal government was formed we are one people, with one common country. [73 U.S. 35, 49] We are all citizens of the United States, and as members of the same community must have the right to pass and repass through every part of it without interruption, as freely as in our own States. And a tax imposed by a State, for entering its territories or harbors, is inconsistent with the rights which belong to citizens of other States as members of the Union, and with the objects which that Union was intended to attain. Such a power in the States could produce nothing but discord and mutual irritation, and they very clearly do not possess it.' Although these remarks are found in a dissenting opinion, they do not relate to the matter on which the dissent was founded. They accord with the inferences which we have already drawn from the Constitution itself, and from the decisions of this court in exposition of that instrument. Those principles, as we have already stated them in this opinion, must govern the present case. ![]() You think the right to travel means you have a right to drive a car no matter what? are you now or have you even been a sovereign citizen member? Where does is say you have a right to drive? |
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BS We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? Quoted:
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Owning a gun is a right driving a car is not This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. |
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Where does is say you have a right to drive? You understand that just because a right is not specifically enumerated, does not mean it doesn't exist? Check the 9th Amendment if you really need it spelled out for you. This all goes back to one simple idea, the USC doesn't grant rights, it recognizes and enumerates some of them. So just because a right isn't mentioned in the USC, does not mean it does not exist. |
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Quoted: You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Owning a gun is a right driving a car is not This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. |
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Quoted: You understand that just because a right is not specifically enumerated, does not mean it doesn't exist? Check the 9th Amendment if you really need it spelled out for you. This all goes back to one simple idea, the USC doesn't grant rights, it recognizes and enumerates some of them. So just because a right isn't mentioned in the USC, does not mean it does not exist. Quoted: Quoted: Where does is say you have a right to drive? You understand that just because a right is not specifically enumerated, does not mean it doesn't exist? Check the 9th Amendment if you really need it spelled out for you. This all goes back to one simple idea, the USC doesn't grant rights, it recognizes and enumerates some of them. So just because a right isn't mentioned in the USC, does not mean it does not exist. Traveling is a right, driving is not |
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We are talking about laws we are forced to live under right now, right or wrong we face these laws and are forced to obey them even if we do not believe in them. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. Quoted:
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Owning a gun is a right driving a car is not This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. |
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So you believe driving is a right? Traveling is a right, driving is not Quoted:
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Where does is say you have a right to drive? You understand that just because a right is not specifically enumerated, does not mean it doesn't exist? Check the 9th Amendment if you really need it spelled out for you. This all goes back to one simple idea, the USC doesn't grant rights, it recognizes and enumerates some of them. So just because a right isn't mentioned in the USC, does not mean it does not exist. Traveling is a right, driving is not See above. |
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This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. Quoted:
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Owning a gun is a right driving a car is not This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. Errr, no. Right to freely travel =/= right to operate a motor vehicle After your 4th DUI, sorry. Your mom has to drive you to the gun store. Or you can walk. No shits given here. |
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You only need tag, training, registration, license, insurance, etc if you are going to operate the vehicle on public roads.
Any 10 year old could buy a car, drive it all day with no license, registration, training, tag, insurance etc as long as it is on private property. |
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This silly line of thinking succinctly encapsulates a great deal wrong with America today: Driving a car is absolutely a right. Your right to travel, which has been upheld by SCOTUS multiple times over the last two centuries, is so fundamental and so essential to all liberties that the Founders thought it even silly to entertain otherwise. Stop bleating this ignorant tripe: your right to own and drive a car is as fundamental as your right to own a gun; so much so that you cannot even hope to ever acquire or build a gun without the right to travel. Don't surrender one fundamental freedom to make a stupid political point over another. We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. Great argument!
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If cars were like guns.
Some models of them would be banned by what year they were made. Some would be banned by the color even with everything else the same. Any cars that go over 70mph would be banned unless made before 1984 Cars that hold more than 4 people would be banned and registered in certain states. Fast looking cars that only go the speed of slow cars would be banned while slow looking cars that go fast would be fine.
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We are talking about laws we are forced to live under right now, right or wrong we face these laws and are forced to obey them even if we do not believe in them. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. Great argument! ![]() I'm not trying win an argument with him, anymore than I would argue gun rights with a gun grabber. Why waste my time? He's wrong, the courts are wrong on this issue, and so is anyone who agrees with them. Courts get it wrong frequently, you'd think a person who cares about gun rights would be able to understand such a simple concept. Judges aren't gods, they're just people in robes and they're as weak and corruptible as anyone else. |
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I'm not trying win an argument with him, anymore than I would argue gun rights with a gun grabber. Why waste my time? He's wrong, the courts are wrong on this issue, and so is anyone who agrees with them. Courts get it wrong frequently, you'd think a person who cares about gun rights would be able to understand such a simple concept. Quoted:
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We are talking about laws we are forced to live under right now, right or wrong we face these laws and are forced to obey them even if we do not believe in them. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. Great argument! ![]() I'm not trying win an argument with him, anymore than I would argue gun rights with a gun grabber. Why waste my time? He's wrong, the courts are wrong on this issue, and so is anyone who agrees with them. Courts get it wrong frequently, you'd think a person who cares about gun rights would be able to understand such a simple concept. Good... good... |
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I made the car vs gun argument today in a FB post and the liberal quickly spat at me stating...a car is for transportation, a gun is used for one thing.
He quickly called me names and ran off. This was after I showed him the MotherJones article about 55% of people wanted new gun laws. He insisted it was a bad poll and the numbers are more like 80-90%. He took his football and quit. |
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Saved. I'm so using this |
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We are talking about laws we are forced to live under right now, right or wrong we face these laws and are forced to obey them even if we do not believe in them. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. Great argument! ![]() I'm not trying win an argument with him, anymore than I would argue gun rights with a gun grabber. Why waste my time? He's wrong, the courts are wrong on this issue, and so is anyone who agrees with them. Courts get it wrong frequently, you'd think a person who cares about gun rights would be able to understand such a simple concept. Good... good... Whatever that means. I only need you to answer one question to prove my point. Judges/the courts are infallible and always get it correct when it comes to matters of rights. True or false? |
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If stupidity were as regulated as cars then:
You'd have to get a license to have kids written test on ability to think rationally liability insurance for each kid - that way you have to pay up when your kid winds up being just as much of a moron as you are renew your license to continue living at intervals Problem = SOLVED |
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Using the example of vehicle regulation to argue for gun registration is probably the most retarded thing a liberal could do. driving a car is not Boom /thread That's a shit argument, "driving is a privileged". It shouldn't be. Regardless, anyone can own any car and use it how they please on their private land. Not that I have the money or land for either, but I'd love to have a F430GT and an M2 Browning. Heck, even take it a step further and combine the two... |
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Should add: Felon could own one too, so could a rapist, stalker, predo, or any run of the mil criminal or shady individual. A person with mental illness, court order, could also own one. And if you break the law, you only get a citation. If you shoot while intoxicated, you get three chances under the three strikes rule. |
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Should add: Felon could own one too, so could a rapist, stalker, predo, or any run of the mil criminal or shady individual. A person with mental illness, court order, could also own one. And if you break the law, you only get a citation. If you shoot while intoxicated, you get three chances under the three strikes rule. Quoted:
Should add: Felon could own one too, so could a rapist, stalker, predo, or any run of the mil criminal or shady individual. A person with mental illness, court order, could also own one. And if you break the law, you only get a citation. If you shoot while intoxicated, you get three chances under the three strikes rule. I didn't want to make it too wordy. Just slipping in the part about "public use" will blow some fucking minds. |
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Quoted: You're wrong and so are the courts. Quoted: BS We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right. You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. I cannot be wrong, because I am not defending bad laws, I am only following the laws so I am not thrown in jail. We call people here all the time criminals who do not follow laws. Don't like a law , get it changed , that is the system our founding fathers put in place, follow it instead of bitching on the internet about laws you feel are unjust. So to recap before you further twist my words. I am not defending bad laws, saying only we have to follow the law until we change it. Care to list all the unjust laws you don't follow? |
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This is a country of laws, you follow the laws or you are jailed. I cannot be wrong, because I am not defending bad laws, I am only following the laws so I am not thrown in jail. We call people here all the time criminals who do not follow laws. Don't like a law , get it changed , that is the system our founding fathers put in place, follow it instead of bitching on the internet about laws you feel are unjust. So to recap before you further twist my words. I am not defending bad laws, saying only we have to follow the law until we change it. Care to list all the unjust laws you don't follow? Quoted:
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We are talking about the law, the laws says driving is not a right.
You have a right to travel through the Nation anywhere you want. your ability to use a car is based on states laws which give you a drivers license and make sure you have insurance and the car you drive doesn't have bald tires which can get OTHERS killed. No one said it was right and I am not defending the states ability to stop you from driving for their laws . So if driving is your God given right like self defense is , what happens if you're caught driving drunk 3 or 4 times and 2 of those times you hurt others in car accidents? Still think you should be able to drive? You have a right to defend yourself anywhere you want. Your ability to use a gun is based on State's laws which give you a license to carry and make sure you have training. The law says a lot of dumb shit, according to the law it's not a right to own new manufacture full auto firearms, but it actually is, the government is just infringing upon it. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. I cannot be wrong, because I am not defending bad laws, I am only following the laws so I am not thrown in jail. We call people here all the time criminals who do not follow laws. Don't like a law , get it changed , that is the system our founding fathers put in place, follow it instead of bitching on the internet about laws you feel are unjust. So to recap before you further twist my words. I am not defending bad laws, saying only we have to follow the law until we change it. Care to list all the unjust laws you don't follow? Sure here's a list of all the laws I habitually break... Oooooh you almost got me, you scamp. |
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Quoted: I'm not trying win an argument with him, anymore than I would argue gun rights with a gun grabber. Why waste my time? He's wrong, the courts are wrong on this issue, and so is anyone who agrees with them. Courts get it wrong frequently, you'd think a person who cares about gun rights would be able to understand such a simple concept. Judges aren't gods, they're just people in robes and they're as weak and corruptible as anyone else. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We are talking about laws we are forced to live under right now, right or wrong we face these laws and are forced to obey them even if we do not believe in them. We have also made it clear through SCOTS that the Second Amendment is a right Driving is not a right traveling through this nation is right. You're wrong and so are the courts. Great argument! ![]() I'm not trying win an argument with him, anymore than I would argue gun rights with a gun grabber. Why waste my time? He's wrong, the courts are wrong on this issue, and so is anyone who agrees with them. Courts get it wrong frequently, you'd think a person who cares about gun rights would be able to understand such a simple concept. Judges aren't gods, they're just people in robes and they're as weak and corruptible as anyone else. I hear plenty of chatter , all hat and no cattle kind of chatter Put up or shut up ? |





