[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Keymod/M-Lok (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/18/2015 6:22:14 PM EDT
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I'm not sure what tech forum to put this in so I'll put it in GD:
I have a few guns with "old-style" fore ends that have removable rail sections that screw into tapped holes. They are pretty simple and they work well. What I am wondering is why keymod & m-lok have become so popular. The only advantage they offer is the screw is captive in the rail, but I imagine this is not a very important requirement for most people who put rails where they want them and then leave them. With that said, keymod and m-lok seem like solutions in search of problems. It seems like these are the current "trends" with ARs. Is there some other benefit to these over traditional tapped holes in rails that I am not seeing? |
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They are standardized patterns, so you don't have to add a rail section first before you add an accessory. And if you think keymod looks like dicks, then Freud. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The standardization is nice, but the manufacturers could have just as easy standardized a traditional drop-in rail. |
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Quoted: I'm not sure what tech forum to put this in so I'll put it in GD: I have a few guns with "old-style" fore ends that have removable rail sections that screw into tapped holes. They are pretty simple and they work well. What I am wondering is why keymod & m-lok have become so popular. The only advantage they offer is the screw is captive in the rail, but I imagine this is not a very important requirement for most people who put rails where they want them and then leave them. With that said, keymod and m-lok seem like solutions in search of problems. It seems like these are the current "trends" with ARs. Is there some other benefit to these over traditional tapped holes in rails that I am not seeing? ETA: I may be a bit biased too.   |
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M-lok looks cleaner when bare, is stronger, more incrementally positionable and reversable, and it's plenty quick once you learn how far to screw the locking nuts on before attachment; and once it's installed once, removal and reattachment is super easy. Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. |
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I have had both and prefer MLOK thus far. Lockup is tight, I would assume that there is less machining involved and the design is more streamlined. Magpul is a big player in the AR game, and that ensures some form of success.
While drop in rails were nice 10 years ago, sharp and bulky rails at 3, 6, 9, and 12 that are permanent are not optimal. The MLOK/Keymod arrangement allows for personalization without weight and bulk, on top of the ability to add rail sections at 1:30 etc. |
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I'm not sure what tech forum to put this in so I'll put it in GD: I have a few guns with "old-style" fore ends that have removable rail sections that screw into tapped holes. They are pretty simple and they work well. What I am wondering is why keymod & m-lok have become so popular. The only advantage they offer is the screw is captive in the rail, but I imagine this is not a very important requirement for most people who put rails where they want them and then leave them. With that said, keymod and m-lok seem like solutions in search of problems. It seems like these are the current "trends" with ARs. Is there some other benefit to these over traditional tapped holes in rails that I am not seeing? I’m a fan of the Key mod so far. The mounts go directly on to the key mod. No need for a rail-mount-light. Makes the space more compact. KAC Key mod accesories |
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Didnt we do this thread last week and the week before? i have 4 quad rails and 3 key mods. i will probably get a mlok next. im not sure why we keep doing these threads. all three will continue to be popular well into the future. I certainly didn't. I have seen many threads talking about keymod vs mlok, but I have not seen one (keymod, mlok) vs (screw-in sections). |
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Quoted: Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. Quoted: Quoted: M-lok looks cleaner when bare, is stronger, more incrementally positionable and reversable, and it's plenty quick once you learn how far to screw the locking nuts on before attachment; and once it's installed once, removal and reattachment is super easy. Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. Mlok doesn't have a beveled (thinned) rear face to the hole like keymod. And I've never heard of Mlok pulling out unless the nuts aren't turned a full 90° which is easy to prevent once you understand how to install it. |
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Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. Quoted:
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M-lok looks cleaner when bare, is stronger, more incrementally positionable and reversable, and it's plenty quick once you learn how far to screw the locking nuts on before attachment; and once it's installed once, removal and reattachment is super easy. Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. Maybe you just suck at M-lok. 
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Maybe you just suck at M-lok. Quoted:
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M-lok looks cleaner when bare, is stronger, more incrementally positionable and reversable, and it's plenty quick once you learn how far to screw the locking nuts on before attachment; and once it's installed once, removal and reattachment is super easy. Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. Maybe you just suck at M-lok. Maybe it's because mlock requires prep and keymod requires none. I have both, I like both, but mlock really has zero advantage over keymod. |
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Quoted: Maybe it's because mlock requires prep and keymod requires none. I have both, I like both, but mlock really has zero advantage over keymod. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: M-lok looks cleaner when bare, is stronger, more incrementally positionable and reversable, and it's plenty quick once you learn how far to screw the locking nuts on before attachment; and once it's installed once, removal and reattachment is super easy. Where is your data to show that mlock is stronger? Also, Mlock isn't even close to as fast as keymod. I can attach something in about 6 seconds. Literally. Maybe you just suck at M-lok. Maybe it's because mlock requires prep and keymod requires none. I have both, I like both, but mlock really has zero advantage over keymod. ETA who cares if it takes a couple minutes to do the first installation, it's quick back off and on. |
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If you have an old school handguard with picatanny rails I wouldn't run out and buy mlok or keymod unless you're in the market for a new rail for a new build. The main advantage in these designs as I see it is that they can provide a smaller circumference that can improve one's grip/purchase. They also should be a little lighter comparatively without sacrificing strength. How important that is, is up to you. Designs and needs of the end user evolve. I personnaly like were this has gone.
As much as a why didn't I/someone think of this sooner concept like the original style picatanny rails were (cough kac ris cough), I think these designs are a true evolution of the concept. I see it as true progress once I investigated but YMMV. |
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Both of the new systems are silly. I like stuff like the Geissele MK4, ALG V2, or KAC URX3 where I dont have to add anything on and still have a slickish rail. BUT I dont see any problem with the MK4 or ALG V2 being MLOK as well because if you had to add on something weird you could, and if you dont its the same as having regular cuts in the rail. |
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I'm not sure what tech forum to put this in so I'll put it in GD: I have a few guns with "old-style" fore ends that have removable rail sections that screw into tapped holes. They are pretty simple and they work well. What I am wondering is why keymod & m-lok have become so popular. The only advantage they offer is the screw is captive in the rail, but I imagine this is not a very important requirement for most people who put rails where they want them and then leave them. With that said, keymod and m-lok seem like solutions in search of problems. It seems like these are the current "trends" with ARs. Is there some other benefit to these over traditional tapped holes in rails that I am not seeing? Extra thin tube profile. I like mine a lot. |
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I couldn't help but notice that you apparently see penises where there aren't any.  Quoted:
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MLok doesn't look like dicks /thread I couldn't help but notice that you apparently see penises where there aren't any. Some folks are afraid if they are close to a dick, they won't be able to stop themselves from sucking it. Hence, fear of keymod. |
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I prefer quad rails of the Daniel Defense variety.
Mlok may be designed by Magpul, but some of the bigger names in AR manufacturing have done Keymod, BCM, KAC, Noveske, Daniel Defense, even HK uses a Keymod style rail as a replacement for the 416 rail. Keymod will be top dog and mlok will have a decent commercial following, but won't get to Keymod status - just my prediction and opinion |
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Quoted: This. How much shit do you really hang off your rifle to justify little dicks all over it? Quoted: Quoted: Both of the new systems are silly. This. How much shit do you really hang off your rifle to justify little dicks all over it? |
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The standardization is nice, but the manufacturers could have just as easy standardized a traditional drop-in rail. Quoted:
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They are standardized patterns, so you don't have to add a rail section first before you add an accessory. And if you think keymod looks like dicks, then Freud. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The standardization is nice, but the manufacturers could have just as easy standardized a traditional drop-in rail. You would still have to buy the rail, instead of just the accessory |
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How much shit do you really hang off of your rifle that you need thick heavy Pic rails all over it? Quoted:
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Both of the new systems are silly. This. How much shit do you really hang off your rifle to justify little dicks all over it? Also, why do people keep seeing dicks where there's none? 
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I'm not sure what tech forum to put this in so I'll put it in GD: I have a few guns with "old-style" fore ends that have removable rail sections that screw into tapped holes. They are pretty simple and they work well. What I am wondering is why keymod & m-lok have become so popular. The only advantage they offer is the screw is captive in the rail, but I imagine this is not a very important requirement for most people who put rails where they want them and then leave them. With that said, keymod and m-lok seem like solutions in search of problems. It seems like these are the current "trends" with ARs. Is there some other benefit to these over traditional tapped holes in rails that I am not seeing? Keymod is the fastest way to loose the attachments off your rail 
At our range there is always keymod stuff laying on the ground after a big range day, I have never found a normal rail section on the ground, nor any accessory the goes on them. |
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Also, why do people keep seeing dicks where there's none? Quoted:
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Both of the new systems are silly. This. How much shit do you really hang off your rifle to justify little dicks all over it? Also, why do people keep seeing dicks where there's none? Its a trannie thread now?
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Quoted: Also, why do people keep seeing dicks where there's none? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both of the new systems are silly. This. How much shit do you really hang off your rifle to justify little dicks all over it? Also, why do people keep seeing dicks where there's none? |