[ARCHIVED THREAD] - KAC RAS (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/15/2015 5:02:23 PM EDT
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Is the Knights drop in quad rail really outdated?
I still dig mine but heck I dig my old double heat shield hand guards too. |
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Quoted: Just because there are newer, lighter, and possibly sturdier designs out there doesn't make the RAS outdated. It is a durable, thoroughly vetted, and overall very high quality setup. They do their job in the harshest of environments, and they do their job well. |
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Quoted: Just because there are newer, lighter, and possibly sturdier designs out there doesn't make the RAS outdated. It is a durable, thoroughly vetted, and overall very high quality setup. They do their job in the harshest of environments, and they do their job well. Well said. |
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Quoted: Just because there are newer, lighter, and possibly sturdier designs out there doesn't make the RAS outdated. It is a durable, thoroughly vetted, and overall very high quality setup. They do their job in the harshest of environments, and they do their job well. If anything the AR platform is outdated but no one is rushing to reinvent the wheel. RAS and DD Omega rails are my favorite. |
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Great on uppers with carbine length gas system, FSB and delta-ring, for a drop-in. The KAC blem units for $100ish were a steal! The AR15 I keep ready in the bedroom wears one.
If I were building an upper from parts today I would pick a nicer FF rail but for the bazillion "Gov't carbine" uppers out there this rail is great. |
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+1 If anything the AR platform is outdated but no one is rushing to reinvent the wheel. RAS and DD Omega rails are my favorite. Quoted:
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Just because there are newer, lighter, and possibly sturdier designs out there doesn't make the RAS outdated. It is a durable, thoroughly vetted, and overall very high quality setup. They do their job in the harshest of environments, and they do their job well. Yeah I've got a brand new RAS kit (with panels and grip). Every time I get ready to post it in EE I change my mind. I probably should just go ahead and build another Block I upper 
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Lots of things the US still uses are outdated. That doesn't mean they're useless.. Quoted:
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I don't think something that is in use by the greatest armed force on the planet can be considered outdated. Lots of things the US still uses are outdated. That doesn't mean they're useless.. This is something a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Outdated means "something better has came along," not "it suddenly stopped working." |
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I sold a DD Omega for one to have a more clone correct M4, as I wanted something that matched what I was issued in the USMC. I actually prefer the RAS, its extremely robust and easy to install, and I don't notice any loss of accuracy with the non-free float rail. I also have one on my budget SBR and it works great for that purpose.
That said I have a Bravo KMR, and its on a whole other level as far as weight and modularity. Bottom line, are their lighter more modern options? Sure. Can you beat a blem RAS for $150 or even cheaper used on the EE? (My last one I got for $70) That's tough. |
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Does the poll want to know if I think it's outdated or does it want to know if I still like it anyway? I would welcome a response to both of your translations I really like the one I've got. It lives on my Mk18 Mod1 clone but it would be good on any other carbine also. Probably a little outdated because AR guys are as fickle about gun fashion as school children are about athletic shoes. Given that a nice KAC RAS can be had for around a C-note in the EE I think they represent a good value on quality gear. |
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Quoted: Great on uppers with carbine length gas system, FSB and delta-ring, for a drop-in. The KAC blem units for $100ish were a steal! The AR15 I keep ready in the bedroom wears one. If I were building an upper from parts today I would pick a nicer FF rail but for the bazillion "Gov't carbine" uppers out there this rail is great. |
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seems like the new wave and popular route is slick side and dickmod rails...
but has any armed forces adapted a keymod system yet??? i'm not saying being adopted by armed forces is the only way something is considered worthy, but quad rails seem on the way out these days.. who knows, shit cycles around again. |
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They can still be had every day in the EE for $100. Quoted:
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Great on uppers with carbine length gas system, FSB and delta-ring, for a drop-in. The KAC blem units for $100ish were a steal! The AR15 I keep ready in the bedroom wears one. If I were building an upper from parts today I would pick a nicer FF rail but for the bazillion "Gov't carbine" uppers out there this rail is great. Or cheaper if you're patient. I got mine locally with the original box and accessory kit with VFG for $50. |
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Or cheaper if you're patient. I got mine locally with the original box and accessory kit with VFG for $50. Quoted:
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Great on uppers with carbine length gas system, FSB and delta-ring, for a drop-in. The KAC blem units for $100ish were a steal! The AR15 I keep ready in the bedroom wears one. If I were building an upper from parts today I would pick a nicer FF rail but for the bazillion "Gov't carbine" uppers out there this rail is great. Or cheaper if you're patient. I got mine locally with the original box and accessory kit with VFG for $50. Thats a bitchin deal I'd buy one if i could find one at that price even though I wouldn't take off my Omega and I don't have another AR. In response to the poll I said yes it is outdated, but it's still very functional and a solid piece of equipment. Someone said something about the greatest army in the world using it as a sign of it not being outdated but this is the military that still issues the 92f. |
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Quoted: I don't think something that is in use by the greatest armed force on the planet can be considered outdated. We use lots of equipment that is outdated (ie there are plenty of newer items that are easily quite better) for one reason or another. Doesn't mean it doesn't work for adding a flashlight, VFG, side sling, etc. |
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I've got a rifle length one, and will admit I don't really see the utility of them in most applications. For a general issue item where you don't know who's gonna be putting what where and laser zeroes apparently aren't important, sure. But to me it just makes for a bulky light mount that needs a yard of rail covers.
Then again I was modularin' before modular was cool - Badger Ordnance Stabilizer, yo!
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1st rail system I ever saw was a KAC RAS on a CAR 16 back in 95'ish(?) at Ft Stewart. I think our arms room had 2 of them at the time, and now every M16/M4 in every arms room is equipped with them.
They worked well then, and continue to work well today. It ain't broke....so don't fix it. |
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This is something a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Outdated means "something better has came along," not "it suddenly stopped working." Quoted:
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I don't think something that is in use by the greatest armed force on the planet can be considered outdated. Lots of things the US still uses are outdated. That doesn't mean they're useless.. This is something a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Outdated means "something better has came along," not "it suddenly stopped working." What is better and why? There really isn't anything that's quanifiably better tbh, unless it's magic. lol |
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I sold a DD Omega for one to have a more clone correct M4, as I wanted something that matched what I was issued in the USMC. I actually prefer the RAS, its extremely robust and easy to install, and I don't notice any loss of accuracy with the non-free float rail. I also have one on my budget SBR and it works great for that purpose. That said I have a Bravo KMR, and its on a whole other level as far as weight and modularity. Bottom line, are their lighter more modern options? Sure. Can you beat a blem RAS for $150 or even cheaper used on the EE? (My last one I got for $70) That's tough. IMO the only time a free float rail and accuracy matters or is even noticeable is on a sniper rifle or DMR. It just doesn't matter on a battle rifle. |
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seems like the new wave and popular route is slick side and dickmod rails... but has any armed forces adapted a keymod system yet??? i'm not saying being adopted by armed forces is the only way something is considered worthy, but quad rails seem on the way out these days.. who knows, shit cycles around again. Keymod isn't practible on the military side. It would suck to be in the field or small FOB and need some rail space or something and you didn't have your extra parts. Those rails are more of a fad than useful. The less parts, the better for military/grunt use. |
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IMO the only time a free float rail and accuracy matters or is even noticeable is on a sniper rifle or DMR. It just doesn't matter on a battle rifle. Quoted:
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I sold a DD Omega for one to have a more clone correct M4, as I wanted something that matched what I was issued in the USMC. I actually prefer the RAS, its extremely robust and easy to install, and I don't notice any loss of accuracy with the non-free float rail. I also have one on my budget SBR and it works great for that purpose. That said I have a Bravo KMR, and its on a whole other level as far as weight and modularity. Bottom line, are their lighter more modern options? Sure. Can you beat a blem RAS for $150 or even cheaper used on the EE? (My last one I got for $70) That's tough. IMO the only time a free float rail and accuracy matters or is even noticeable is on a sniper rifle or DMR. It just doesn't matter on a battle rifle. Adding a FF rail almost halves group sizes under field shooting conditions. |
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What is better and why? There really isn't anything that's quanifiably better tbh, unless it's magic. lol Quoted:
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I don't think something that is in use by the greatest armed force on the planet can be considered outdated. Lots of things the US still uses are outdated. That doesn't mean they're useless.. This is something a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Outdated means "something better has came along," not "it suddenly stopped working." What is better and why? There really isn't anything that's quanifiably better tbh, unless it's magic. lol You seriously can't see the difference between modern rails and the 20+ year old RAS? Lower weight, better mounting systems, more rigid, free floating, longer, no problems with loose lower handguard, and more? I've got a lot of time with RAS equipped guns, hell, my SBR is next to me now with a RAS on it, but it's just silly to say nothing better has come along since the early 90s. |
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Quoted: What is better and why? There really isn't anything that's quanifiably better tbh, unless it's magic. lol Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think something that is in use by the greatest armed force on the planet can be considered outdated. Lots of things the US still uses are outdated. That doesn't mean they're useless.. This is something a lot of people here don't seem to understand. Outdated means "something better has came along," not "it suddenly stopped working." What is better and why? There really isn't anything that's quanifiably better tbh, unless it's magic. lol  I can understand if you like the RAS, that's cool. There's nothing wrong with it. It does what it is designed to do well. However, you're being blatantly intellectually dishonest in that post. |