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I need to run an Ethernet cable from my basement to second floor bedroom. House is 70+ year old POS so no duct work or easy way to manually run a cable.
Are either of these options possible? 1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Any advice is appreciated! |
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull. 
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Total non-starter. Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
I bet money it's stapled. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Only if it was installed when the house was built 70 years ago. 
If it's stapled anywhere, it'll be easy to remove them. I seriously doubt it's actually secured inside the walls. |
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Only if it was installed when the house was built 70 years ago.
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
I bet money it's stapled. Only if it was installed when the house was built 70 years ago.
If it's stapled anywhere, it'll be easy to remove them. I seriously doubt it's actually secured inside the walls. That's not the way it works for me. I swear, people will open up a wall and staple it just to make life difficult for me. 
Or somehow there's a barrel fitting in the wall cavity that hangs up and won't let you pull. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Total non-starter. Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE 
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A few years ago I fished cat5e from the basement up to the second floor so my WAP would be as high as possible in the house. That sucked 
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That's not the way it works for me. I swear, people will open up a wall and staple it just to make life difficult for me.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Good old Murphy.
Hey OP: Now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, is there any reason you can't just go wireless? I'm a network engineer by trade, and 90% of my shit at home is wireless. If Power Over WiFi was an actual thing, it would be closer to 99%.
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Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE Quoted:
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE Probably daisy chained jack to jack and it won't work. Yeah, I'm pessimistic.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Probably daisy chained jack to jack and it won't work. Yeah, I'm pessimistic.
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE Probably daisy chained jack to jack and it won't work. Yeah, I'm pessimistic.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Daisy chaining doesn't matter so long as he only uses one jack's worth of wires. Might pick up some noise and might not get full speed, but ethernet is surprisingly resilient to running out of spec. |
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I need to run an Ethernet cable from my basement to second floor bedroom. House is 70+ year old POS so no duct work or easy way to manually run a cable. Are either of these options possible? 1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Any advice is appreciated! Yes - MoCA....for up to 275 Mbps It's how FIOS sends internet traffic back and forth between their standard home router and FIOS STBs. I have a couple of NIM-100 MoCA bridges in my network and they work great. This is a more modern version: Pair of Actiontec Ethernet to Coax Adapters ETA: The coax can also be used for Cable TV or FIOS at the same time, but those particular devices say they can't share coax with satellite TV for some reason. I believe it's an issue specific to DISH TV. Regardless, it should work for you given that you have an unused coax run. |
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Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE Quoted:
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE Right, but 3 pair phone wiring in an old house? It's probably not even UTP. He'd be lucky to see 10Mbps out of it (if it works at all), and I can just about promise it's all series wired to a bazillion jacks, junction boxes, etc. |
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Right, but 3 pair phone wiring in an old house? It's probably not even UTP. He'd be lucky to see 10Mbps out of it (if it works at all), and I can just about promise it's all series wired to a bazillion jacks, junction boxes, etc. Quoted:
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1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. Total non-starter. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Tape the end of the wire coming out of your box of CAT5e, to the end of the existing coax. Pull.
Hey, I get to call out subnet! 10 and 100 baseT only require two pairs (1-2 and 3-6). 4-5 and 7-8 are unused. So in theory he can run it over the phone wire and have a pair leftover for PoE Right, but 3 pair phone wiring in an old house? It's probably not even UTP. He'd be lucky to see 10Mbps out of it (if it works at all), and I can just about promise it's all series wired to a bazillion jacks, junction boxes, etc. Parallel wired
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Good old Murphy.
Hey OP: Now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, is there any reason you can't just go wireless? I'm a network engineer by trade, and 90% of my shit at home is wireless. If Power Over WiFi was an actual thing, it would be closer to 99%. Quoted:
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That's not the way it works for me. I swear, people will open up a wall and staple it just to make life difficult for me.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Good old Murphy.
Hey OP: Now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, is there any reason you can't just go wireless? I'm a network engineer by trade, and 90% of my shit at home is wireless. If Power Over WiFi was an actual thing, it would be closer to 99%. installing a home security system in the basement and the only internet connection is on the second floor. Im using and Envisalink 3 to self monitor the system and it needs a cat5 Ethernet type connection, althought the data being transferred is minimal so it doesnt need to be a high speed connection. It just sends out signals if the alarm is triggered to my email address. There is one phone jack on each floor if that matters. Is it possible to run short ethernet cable from the alarm system to some magical box that would then talk to my wifi router? |
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installing a home security system in the basement and the only internet connection is on the second floor. Im using and Envisalink 3 to self monitor the system and it needs a cat5 Ethernet type connection, althought the data being transferred is minimal so it doesnt need to be a high speed connection. It just sends out signals if the alarm is triggered to my email address. There is one phone jack on each floor if that matters. Is it possible to run short ethernet cable from the alarm system to some magical box that would then talk to my wifi router? Quoted:
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That's not the way it works for me. I swear, people will open up a wall and staple it just to make life difficult for me.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Good old Murphy.
Hey OP: Now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, is there any reason you can't just go wireless? I'm a network engineer by trade, and 90% of my shit at home is wireless. If Power Over WiFi was an actual thing, it would be closer to 99%. installing a home security system in the basement and the only internet connection is on the second floor. Im using and Envisalink 3 to self monitor the system and it needs a cat5 Ethernet type connection, althought the data being transferred is minimal so it doesnt need to be a high speed connection. It just sends out signals if the alarm is triggered to my email address. There is one phone jack on each floor if that matters. Is it possible to run short ethernet cable from the alarm system to some magical box that would then talk to my wifi router? Like a bridge? |
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Is it possible to run short ethernet cable from the alarm system to some magical box that would then talk to my wifi router? Yes. A wireless bridge is what you're after. Here's a cheap one that should work just fine: http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Universal-Ethernet-Adapter-WNCE2001/dp/B003KPBRRW/ref=pd_cp_147_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=04N3VKRM8EXSPGM3ZRA3 |
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Yes - MoCA....for up to 275 Mbps It's how FIOS sends internet traffic back and forth between their standard home router and FIOS STBs. I have a couple of NIM-100 MoCA bridges in my network and they work great. This is a more modern version: Pair of Actiontec Ethernet to Coax Adapters ETA: The coax can also be used for Cable TV or FIOS at the same time, but those particular devices say they can't share coax with satellite TV for some reason. I believe it's an issue specific to DISH TV. Regardless, it should work for you given that you have an unused coax run. Quoted:
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I need to run an Ethernet cable from my basement to second floor bedroom. House is 70+ year old POS so no duct work or easy way to manually run a cable. Are either of these options possible? 1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Any advice is appreciated! Yes - MoCA....for up to 275 Mbps It's how FIOS sends internet traffic back and forth between their standard home router and FIOS STBs. I have a couple of NIM-100 MoCA bridges in my network and they work great. This is a more modern version: Pair of Actiontec Ethernet to Coax Adapters ETA: The coax can also be used for Cable TV or FIOS at the same time, but those particular devices say they can't share coax with satellite TV for some reason. I believe it's an issue specific to DISH TV. Regardless, it should work for you given that you have an unused coax run. can i use something cheaper like this? http://www.computercableinc.com/ccinc/products.jsp?sub=F+Connectors&id=6015 Or do i need the box to "convert" the signals and what not? |
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Powerline Adapter They are plug and play easy: Setup Guide PDF |
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Powerline Adapter A few years ago I fished cat5e from the basement up to the second floor so my WAP would be as high as possible in the house. That sucked im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? |
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Powerline Adapter They are plug and play easy: Setup Guide PDF That'll probably work just fine as well, but I've never used one. Not sure how great the range is. |
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Powerline Adapter A few years ago I fished cat5e from the basement up to the second floor so my WAP would be as high as possible in the house. That sucked im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? Yes if they are inside your house on the same circuit. |
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You can use coax cabling as a substitute for ethernet, using MoCA (Multimedia over Coax Alliance) standards. I have such a system myself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_over_Coax_Alliance You need a coax-to-ethernet bridge at both ends. The most economical way to do this is to go on ebay and buy two older model Verizon Actiontec routers, and configure them as bridges instead of routers. http://support.actiontec.com/doc_files/Configure_MI424WR_as_a_LAN_MoCA_Bridge.pdf http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27181780-Using-an-Actiontec-Rev-D-router-as-MOCA-bridge-access-point http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17679150-How-to-make-ActionTec-MI424-WR-a-network-bridge Actually, you can do this even if you're using the coax cabling for TV, because the TV signal and MoCA run on different frequencies over the same cable. |
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im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? Quoted:
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Powerline Adapter A few years ago I fished cat5e from the basement up to the second floor so my WAP would be as high as possible in the house. That sucked im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? The two units pair up with each other - you can't add a third to an established pair. They also encrypt the data stream. Back when they first came out to the retail consumer market I was pretty skeptical of the technology, but it works very well 
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can i use something cheaper like this? http://www.computercableinc.com/ccinc/products.jsp?sub=F+Connectors&id=6015 Or do i need the box to "convert" the signals and what not? Quoted:
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I need to run an Ethernet cable from my basement to second floor bedroom. House is 70+ year old POS so no duct work or easy way to manually run a cable. Are either of these options possible? 1) Turn the old phone lines in the house into an Ethernet. They are 6 wires compared to the 8 wires of modern cat 5+ Ethernet cables, possible convert this. 2) There is a coax cable from the basement to the second floor not being used. Is there some sort of converter out there that would be able to use this? Any advice is appreciated! Yes - MoCA....for up to 275 Mbps It's how FIOS sends internet traffic back and forth between their standard home router and FIOS STBs. I have a couple of NIM-100 MoCA bridges in my network and they work great. This is a more modern version: Pair of Actiontec Ethernet to Coax Adapters ETA: The coax can also be used for Cable TV or FIOS at the same time, but those particular devices say they can't share coax with satellite TV for some reason. I believe it's an issue specific to DISH TV. Regardless, it should work for you given that you have an unused coax run. can i use something cheaper like this? http://www.computercableinc.com/ccinc/products.jsp?sub=F+Connectors&id=6015 Or do i need the box to "convert" the signals and what not? No, that will not work. The adapters are doing a lot more than just performing the physical wiring connection. They are managing the network traffic using MoCA protocols. You can actually have more than two such adapters on your network. The good news is that it is butt simple. You connect an Ethernet cable from your router (or switch) to one of the adapters. Then you connect coax from your coax network to the same adapter. You then plug any other coax line from the same coax network into the other adapter. The Ethernet jack on the other adapter is now joined to your network. Zero config...and very good speed. If you just have one coax line running between the two locations, that is your coax network, which would also be very secure. |
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Powerline Adapter They are plug and play easy: Setup Guide PDF Yep. I got the TP Link from Amazon (#1 rated) to run a dedicated line for my XB!, and I get an honest 25MB out of it. Maybe every other month I gotta reset it by pulling the CAT 5 cable or the adapter itself out, but it always comes right back online. |
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im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? Quoted:
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Powerline Adapter A few years ago I fished cat5e from the basement up to the second floor so my WAP would be as high as possible in the house. That sucked im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? No. It's not carrying data over the electrical wiring. You plug one in by your existing router upstairs, and another in by your security system thingie. The two communicate with each other using a proprietary wireless technology. If you go that route, I would probably find a cheaper one. Your security widget doesn't need gigabit speeds. |
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Quoted: im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? Quoted: Quoted: Powerline Adapter A few years ago I fished cat5e from the basement up to the second floor so my WAP would be as high as possible in the house. That sucked im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? RIF "Encrypts Powerline network connections with the touch of a button." |
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im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? If you leave the network name and password unchanged, possibly. Are you "that guy" with "admin" and "password" on his wifi router that wonders why his connection is always slow? |
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If you leave the network name and password unchanged, possibly. Are you "that guy" with "admin" and "password" on his wifi router that wonders why his connection is always slow? Quoted:
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im no electrical engineer, but coulnt like your neighbors plug one of these in and connect to your network as well? If you leave the network name and password unchanged, possibly. Are you "that guy" with "admin" and "password" on his wifi router that wonders why his connection is always slow? I can't speak about any other brands, but the Netgear units I linked to don't use passwords or any sort of wireless connection to pass traffic. They employ the IEEE 1901 standard to transmit and receive data via the physical electrical circuit
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I can't speak about any other brands, but the Netgear units I linked to don't use passwords or any sort of wireless connection to pass traffic. They employ the IEEE 1901 standard to transmit and receive data via the physical electrical circuit
I can't speak about any other brands, but on my TP-LINK units, I connect to them on a disconnected direct network connection first and change the network name and password BEFORE I attach them to my network at large.
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I can't speak about any other brands, but on my TP-LINK units, I connect to them on a disconnected direct network connection first and change the network name and password BEFORE I attach them to my network at large.
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I can't speak about any other brands, but the Netgear units I linked to don't use passwords or any sort of wireless connection to pass traffic. They employ the IEEE 1901 standard to transmit and receive data via the physical electrical circuit
I can't speak about any other brands, but on my TP-LINK units, I connect to them on a disconnected direct network connection first and change the network name and password BEFORE I attach them to my network at large.
You can snoop my traffic stats, but not my content.
How do you like the TP-LINK units Circuits? I've never used any of their gear, but the specs look pretty solid. |
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How do you like the TP-LINK units Circuits? I've never used any of their gear, but the specs look pretty solid. Been running them a bit over a year and the connections are solid for my peripheral devices. My chromecast still pisses me off, because it's wireless-only instead of allowing me to back down to wired over the TP-LINK connections like most of my other media devices. When your cable/dsl is maxing out around 100, there's no modern wifi or powerlink connection that is your bottleneck to the interwebs. I dual-home my wired network on gig copper for NAS access, but that's of no concern to my peripherals. |