Posted: 7/30/2015 5:37:13 PM EDT
| With the draft and salary cap how are some franchises terrible year after year after year? |
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Most teams will go as their QB goes in this era of football. If you don't have a QB that doesn't blow games and can step up when needed and make big plays, you won't go far. it really is about the qb. if you dont have a top 10 qb the chances are close to 0 for you winning it all. you would need a stud rb and an all time great defense to win without a qb. |
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Quoted: With the draft and salary cap how are some franchises terrible year after year after year? The draft is like the lottery. Sometimes a highly rated college player just fails in the NFL. Too many examples to list, but Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel come to mind right away. Sometimes you strike gold with a late round pick like NE did with Brady. Salary cap can get gobbled up fast with a few bad contracts, leaving no cap space for free agents that might really help a team. Bad personnel decisions. You think Atlanta ever regretted trading Brett Favre? Or Minnesota regretting their decision to trade half the team and 50 draft picks to Dallas for Hershel Walker? Poor coaching. There are 32 teams. Apparently there are not 32 great NFL head coaches in the world. Injuries. They're effectively random and can end a promising career in an instant. Or save a franchise - like Bledsoe getting injured and Brady taking over. A team's GM and coach make a big difference - it's not as simple as just finding 53 decent players and winning a Super Bowl. |
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it really is about the qb. if you dont have a top 10 qb the chances are close to 0 for you winning it all. you would need a stud rb and an all time great defense to win without a qb. Quoted:
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Most teams will go as their QB goes in this era of football. If you don't have a QB that doesn't blow games and can step up when needed and make big plays, you won't go far. it really is about the qb. if you dont have a top 10 qb the chances are close to 0 for you winning it all. you would need a stud rb and an all time great defense to win without a qb. You also need a good coach, if you look at the last 4 teams left every year there is always a good coach |
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Quoted: Bad management, bad coaching, overpaid for players that don't fit their team/scheme, Cleveland Bowns, etc... This. One could throw in bad luck as well for some teams. Hell, the Steelers were horrible their entire history until Chuck Noll came in. This was pre-salary cap though. The Browns rocked in the 1950s & halfway thru the 1960s, then Art Modell (owner) fired Paul Brown as coach/GM. The Packers sucked in the 1940s/1950s, until Lombardi came in. Sucked again until Holmgren came in. Point is, virtually every franchise has had its ups & downs. NO may set the record for most years sucking though........... |
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Teams aren't made in free agency, they are made in the draft.
Drafting well requires good scouting and a little bit of luck. Once you draft the talent, you have to develop the talent. Sometimes talent can languish behind already good starters. Martellus Bennet was a knucklehead when he was in Dallas, but he was also stuck behind Jason Witten. Went to the Bears, and now he's one of the best TEs in football. Tony Romo almost didn't make the Cowboys squad - if Quincy Carter hadn't been busted with dope, he probably would have been cut. Despite all the detractors, Tony Romo is still a damn good QB, and a lot better than anything the Cowboys have had since Aikman retired. But he could have easily been selling insurance in Wisconsin after the pre-season his rookie year. |
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The draft is like the lottery. Sometimes a highly rated college player just fails in the NFL. Too many examples to list, but Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel come to mind right away. Sometimes you strike gold with a late round pick like NE did with Brady. Salary cap can get gobbled up fast with a few bad contracts, leaving no cap space for free agents that might really help a team. Bad personnel decisions. You think Atlanta ever regretted trading Brett Favre? Or Minnesota regretting their decision to trade half the team and 50 draft picks to Dallas for Hershel Walker? Poor coaching. There are 32 teams. Apparently there are not 32 great NFL head coaches in the world. Injuries. They're effectively random and can end a promising career in an instant. Or save a franchise - like Bledsoe getting injured and Brady taking over. A team's GM and coach make a big difference - it's not as simple as just finding 53 decent players and winning a Super Bowl. Quoted:
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With the draft and salary cap how are some franchises terrible year after year after year? The draft is like the lottery. Sometimes a highly rated college player just fails in the NFL. Too many examples to list, but Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel come to mind right away. Sometimes you strike gold with a late round pick like NE did with Brady. Salary cap can get gobbled up fast with a few bad contracts, leaving no cap space for free agents that might really help a team. Bad personnel decisions. You think Atlanta ever regretted trading Brett Favre? Or Minnesota regretting their decision to trade half the team and 50 draft picks to Dallas for Hershel Walker? Poor coaching. There are 32 teams. Apparently there are not 32 great NFL head coaches in the world. Injuries. They're effectively random and can end a promising career in an instant. Or save a franchise - like Bledsoe getting injured and Brady taking over. A team's GM and coach make a big difference - it's not as simple as just finding 53 decent players and winning a Super Bowl. How about Green Bay passing on Barry Sanders for Mandarich? Imagine Favre and Sanders together on those 90s Packers....there would have been many trophies. |
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Poor management.As a Cards fan,I've seen it for many years. I never gave a thought to the Cardinals until Tony G went to them. Then I hated them stronger than the Raiders, because Tony Gonzales is a fucking asshole. I've met him in person, and he is a self absorbed piece of shit. |
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With the draft and salary cap how are some franchises terrible year after year after year? Because of the draft and the salary cap. It's really tough to trade draft picks effectively. So bad teams will draft high resulting in less cap room to build a good supporting cast for their high-expensive draft picks. If you get a QB who has no O-line, it's tough to develop him. Drop a shitload of cash on a top 5 pick QB then ruin him but still get stuck with the cap hit so you can't sign a good O-line/offensive weapons/etc. It's a team sport and a few studs can't do it all on their own. |
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This era, maybe, what about teams that have been bad for 50 years? Quoted:
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Most teams will go as their QB goes in this era of football. If you don't have a QB that doesn't blow games and can step up when needed and make big plays, you won't go far. This era, maybe, what about teams that have been bad for 50 years? My Steelers won 4 superbowls with Bradshaw, then he retired. They weren't a great team until Neal O'donnel had one solid season. O'donnel leaves, amazing defenses, no superbowl. They draft Rothlisberger and then they make 3 superbowl appearances. Belicheat is a genius because he is good at cheating and also because he has had Brady his ENTIRE time he's been in NE. There are exceptions (Trent Dilfer Ravens) but typically good QB play and solid Defense, wins Championships. |
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it really is about the qb. if you dont have a top 10 qb the chances are close to 0 for you winning it all. you would need a stud rb and an all time great defense to win without a qb. Quoted:
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Most teams will go as their QB goes in this era of football. If you don't have a QB that doesn't blow games and can step up when needed and make big plays, you won't go far. it really is about the qb. if you dont have a top 10 qb the chances are close to 0 for you winning it all. you would need a stud rb and an all time great defense to win without a qb. 
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My Steelers won 4 superbowls with Bradshaw, then he retired. They weren't a great team until Neal O'donnel had one solid season. O'donnel leaves, amazing defenses, no superbowl. They draft Rothlisberger and then they make 3 superbowl appearances. Belicheat is a genius because he is good at cheating and also because he has had Brady his ENTIRE time he's been in NE. There are exceptions (Trent Dilfer Ravens) but typically good QB play and solid Defense, wins Championships. Quoted:
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Most teams will go as their QB goes in this era of football. If you don't have a QB that doesn't blow games and can step up when needed and make big plays, you won't go far. This era, maybe, what about teams that have been bad for 50 years? My Steelers won 4 superbowls with Bradshaw, then he retired. They weren't a great team until Neal O'donnel had one solid season. O'donnel leaves, amazing defenses, no superbowl. They draft Rothlisberger and then they make 3 superbowl appearances. Belicheat is a genius because he is good at cheating and also because he has had Brady his ENTIRE time he's been in NE. There are exceptions (Trent Dilfer Ravens) but typically good QB play and solid Defense, wins Championships. it was hilarious to see trent dilfer getting a sb win in tampa the season right after he left. heck, kerry collins was the qb for the giants. that may have been the worst qb face-off in sb history. |
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I never gave a thought to the Cardinals until Tony G went to them. Then I hated them stronger than the Raiders, because Tony Gonzales is a fucking asshole. I've met him in person, and he is a self absorbed piece of shit. Quoted:
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Poor management.As a Cards fan,I've seen it for many years. I never gave a thought to the Cardinals until Tony G went to them. Then I hated them stronger than the Raiders, because Tony Gonzales is a fucking asshole. I've met him in person, and he is a self absorbed piece of shit. Think you got the wrong bird |
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Quoted: How about Green Bay passing on Barry Sanders for Mandarich? Imagine Favre and Sanders together on those 90s Packers....there would have been many trophies. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: With the draft and salary cap how are some franchises terrible year after year after year? The draft is like the lottery. Sometimes a highly rated college player just fails in the NFL. Too many examples to list, but Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel come to mind right away. Sometimes you strike gold with a late round pick like NE did with Brady. Salary cap can get gobbled up fast with a few bad contracts, leaving no cap space for free agents that might really help a team. Bad personnel decisions. You think Atlanta ever regretted trading Brett Favre? Or Minnesota regretting their decision to trade half the team and 50 draft picks to Dallas for Hershel Walker? Poor coaching. There are 32 teams. Apparently there are not 32 great NFL head coaches in the world. Injuries. They're effectively random and can end a promising career in an instant. Or save a franchise - like Bledsoe getting injured and Brady taking over. A team's GM and coach make a big difference - it's not as simple as just finding 53 decent players and winning a Super Bowl. How about Green Bay passing on Barry Sanders for Mandarich? Imagine Favre and Sanders together on those 90s Packers....there would have been many trophies. Exactly. So many examples. It's not an exact science. |
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No one has posted the real reason yet? Damn.
The reason is the profit sharing scheme. To some owners it doesn't fucking matter one bit if their team wins or loses. They get an equal cut of the profits whether they go 16-0 or 0-16. They (the owner) is getting paid no matter what. Fuck Jerry Jones |
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No one has posted the real reason yet? Damn. The reason is the profit sharing scheme. To some owners it doesn't fucking matter one bit if their team wins or loses. They get an equal cut of the profits whether they go 16-0 or 0-16. They (the owner) is getting paid no matter what. Fuck Jerry Jones lol. 31 teams share merchandise revenue. 1 does not. jerry is best capitalist. |
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My Steelers won 4 superbowls with Bradshaw, then he retired. They weren't a great team until Neal O'donnel had one solid season. O'donnel leaves, amazing defenses, no superbowl. They draft Rothlisberger and then they make 3 superbowl appearances. Belicheat is a genius because he is good at cheating and also because he has had Brady his ENTIRE time he's been in NE. There are exceptions (Trent Dilfer Ravens) but typically good QB play and solid Defense, wins Championships. Quoted:
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Most teams will go as their QB goes in this era of football. If you don't have a QB that doesn't blow games and can step up when needed and make big plays, you won't go far. This era, maybe, what about teams that have been bad for 50 years? My Steelers won 4 superbowls with Bradshaw, then he retired. They weren't a great team until Neal O'donnel had one solid season. O'donnel leaves, amazing defenses, no superbowl. They draft Rothlisberger and then they make 3 superbowl appearances. Belicheat is a genius because he is good at cheating and also because he has had Brady his ENTIRE time he's been in NE. There are exceptions (Trent Dilfer Ravens) but typically good QB play and solid Defense, wins Championships. Belichick proved he is a defensive genius with the Giants, while Brady was still in school. Or are you going to say he was cheating then too? |
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I never gave a thought to the Cardinals until Tony G went to them. Then I hated them stronger than the Raiders, because Tony Gonzales is a fucking asshole. I've met him in person, and he is a self absorbed piece of shit. Quoted:
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Poor management.As a Cards fan,I've seen it for many years. I never gave a thought to the Cardinals until Tony G went to them. Then I hated them stronger than the Raiders, because Tony Gonzales is a fucking asshole. I've met him in person, and he is a self absorbed piece of shit. You are hating the wrong team. Tony G went to Atlanta Falcons, not the Arizona Cardinals. After 16 years of NFL play, Tony G finally won a playoff game with the Falcons - beating the Seahawks. As a die hard Chief fan myself, we are still waiting to get out of that drought. If Tony G would have stayed a Chief, he would never have won a Playoff game, or had a chance towards the Superbowl. Andy Reid came too late for Tony G. -Mike |