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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:43:11 PM EDT
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It's the same as if a Marine goes to Ranger school. They can't wear it on their uniform per their regs, but they earned it.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:43:46 PM EDT
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For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:47:08 PM EDT
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Not any more. They don't even speak the language. The majority come in via SEAL pipeline with no time in the fleet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) They gotta learn how to patrol somewhere....  lol this. I read a really interesting article about the difference between Delta and Six. Army SF is fundamentally infantry. SEALs are fundamentally sailors. Not any more. They don't even speak the language. The majority come in via SEAL pipeline with no time in the fleet. Exactly what I was gonna post. Most SEALs never serve in the fleet prior to BUD/s. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:49:14 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. lol nice |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:50:02 PM EDT
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I have never served, so flame suit on, but to me on the outside, it seems Ranger School to a SEAL is like a major league baseball player getting sent down to the AAA farm team to work on his batting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Uh no. As much as it's hard because of the lack of sleep, movements, etc it's about the battle drills, ambush, react to contact, conduct raid, recon and knowing the job of everyone from the lowest guy to the one that's in charge and planning, leadership. Because of that, a guy that is Army Infantry is probably going to know more about what's going on with that than a Seal who does it differently in the Navy. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:51:36 PM EDT
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There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. Don't disagree with that. Just seems the consensus in this thread is that SEALs are a bunch of undisciplined, prima donnas who aren't as good as advertised. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 2:55:48 PM EDT
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Don't disagree with that. Just seems the consensus in this thread is that SEALs are a bunch of undisciplined, prima donnas who aren't as good as advertised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. Don't disagree with that. Just seems the consensus in this thread is that SEALs are a bunch of undisciplined, prima donnas who aren't as good as advertised. It's not that they aren't good. It's that there is a difference in someone that was "raised" in an Army combat unit, ie Infantry and then goes to ranger school and a guy that came straight from the street or was doing some non combat job in the Navy and became a seal. One guy has years of experience under his belt, the other has BUDs and the pipeline he just completed with nothing prior that, usually. It's not saying one is better or worse, but there's definitely a difference. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:01:03 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Ha. Like the one who washed out week 1 in my class? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:02:23 PM EDT
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lol I would think a SEAL that completed their brutal training would not wash out of Ranger school, but maybe it has happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I would think a SEAL that completed their brutal training would not wash out of Ranger school, but maybe it has happened. It did. I was there.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:03:05 PM EDT
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There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. My buddy has been to BUD/s twice. Got out joined the army and gone to selection and then went to Ranger school twice. No, for one reason or another he didn't make it through any of them but he has said the army is a joke when it comes to the PT. says he's never even come close to experiencing the beat downs he got at BUD/s. That said, a Ranger wouldn't really learn anything at BUD/s, dive phase would be the only thing of use. Just my 2 cents which is actually free. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:04:59 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. I would think a SEAL that completed their brutal training would not wash out of Ranger school, but maybe it has happened. It did. I was there. I don't understand why so many people think if a SEAL goes to an Army school that they are going to just breeze right through. lol It's not a hit on SEALS or non army guys. It's a school, it's hard and you definitely have an advantage if you've been doing the things you're going to do in Ranger school before going. I mean pretty much the exact same stuff, say out of the 7-8. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:06:16 PM EDT
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My buddy has been to BUD/s twice. Got out joined the army and gone to selection and then went to Ranger school twice. No, for one reason or another he didn't make it through any of them but he has said the army is a joke when it comes to the PT. says he's never even come close to experiencing the beat downs he got at BUD/s. That said, a Ranger wouldn't really learn anything at BUD/s, dive phase would be the only thing of use. Just my 2 cents which is actually free. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. My buddy has been to BUD/s twice. Got out joined the army and gone to selection and then went to Ranger school twice. No, for one reason or another he didn't make it through any of them but he has said the army is a joke when it comes to the PT. says he's never even come close to experiencing the beat downs he got at BUD/s. That said, a Ranger wouldn't really learn anything at BUD/s, dive phase would be the only thing of use. Just my 2 cents which is actually free. It depends on what his MOS was and the unit he was in. It varies and I can guarantee you that PT is a joke in a bunch, if not most Navy units outside of the SEALS. That's not really a fair or good comparison from your buddy. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:08:07 PM EDT
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It's not that they aren't good. It's that there is a difference in someone that was "raised" in an Army combat unit, ie Infantry and then goes to ranger school and a guy that came straight from the street or was doing some non combat job in the Navy and became a seal. One guy has years of experience under his belt, the other has BUDs and the pipeline he just completed with nothing prior that, usually. It's not saying one is better or worse, but there's definitely a difference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't disagree with that. Just seems the consensus in this thread is that SEALs are a bunch of undisciplined, prima donnas who aren't as good as advertised. It's not that they aren't good. It's that there is a difference in someone that was "raised" in an Army combat unit, ie Infantry and then goes to ranger school and a guy that came straight from the street or was doing some non combat job in the Navy and became a seal. One guy has years of experience under his belt, the other has BUDs and the pipeline he just completed with nothing prior that, usually. It's not saying one is better or worse, but there's definitely a difference. It's also a role thing. If the Ranger Regiment is generally a wrench, but SEALs are generally a scapel... Well- since when does a SEAL unit take large objectives? (Or operate as a "unit?") You'd send the Regiment to do that. If you want a High Value Target, you wouldn't send a Ranger Platoon, you'd send a SEAL Team. I could definitely see why SEALs wouldn't be the rock stars of Ranger School, but heck- just because a SEAL couldn't ace an EOD school doesn't mean he's a wuss. Or less "elite" at what he does. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:08:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? Some people take pleasure in punishment. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:18:28 PM EDT
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Interesting, I would think guys that survive this would think land based drills are cake
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:19:02 PM EDT
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Don't disagree with that. Just seems the consensus in this thread is that SEALs are a bunch of undisciplined, prima donnas who aren't as good as advertised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Not sure why they would want to. For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. Don't disagree with that. Just seems the consensus in this thread is that SEALs are a bunch of undisciplined, prima donnas who aren't as good as advertised. Oh it's just started... |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:19:45 PM EDT
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This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Not really. The army just has a tremendous budget and facilities for training that other branches don't. This perception is because of the SEAL advertising, which is opposite of the truth. Any professional attendance of a school or training opportunity outside of the SEAL community is a huge opportunity to better themselves by people who have a lot of institutional knowledge that SEALs don't. In the baseball analogy, they're not even minor league level in many critical skills areas, but get advertised as finalists for the major league play-offs, and sent to those games even. You would be really disappointed if you had the context from which to see this, as I was. After 9/11, the SEALs got even more money, and pulled a lot of the schools they used to attend with other services in house, as did the Air Force Special Operations community. This was primarily noted with regard to the Joint Special Operations Medical Training Center (commonly known as the 18D course or Special Forces Medical Sergeant's Course and Special Operations Combat Medic Course). SEAL Corpsman and USAF Pararescue candidates used to attend this course, but internalized their medical training in the 2000's. The SEALs were known for getting written test answers from the SEAL instructors, and relying on SEAL instructors for the weekly hands-on portions of the testing. They basically were "taking care of their own" on the front end, while screwing the Teams on the back end with guys who weren't proven. I might be thinking of the wrong person, but didn't you once say the guys in Group called them fish out of water? |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:21:07 PM EDT
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Both BUD/S and Ranger are difficult schools... don't knock either one. The same goes for Air Force PJs.
Multiple services (other than Army) attend Ranger school, but not everybody is able to wear the tab per regs. The number one complaint I've heard about Ranger (from other-service SOF) is the caloric deprivation. There are guys who lose 20-30 pounds during Ranger... and these are NOT fatbodies. The best summation I've heard (from a SEAL) is that Ranger is a "goddamned starvation program." |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:23:08 PM EDT
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Interesting, I would think guys that survive this would think land based drills are cake  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqwzPsw5O4
Meh. Shark week was the same shit at SCUBA school. As long as you have a 90 second breath hold, its pretty easy. worst part is the chlorine burn and being hypothermic all the time. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:45:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:45:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. Shark week was the same shit at SCUBA school. As long as you have a 90 second breath hold, its pretty easy. worst part is the chlorine burn and being hypothermic all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting, I would think guys that survive this would think land based drills are cake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqwzPsw5O4Meh. Shark week was the same shit at SCUBA school. As long as you have a 90 second breath hold, its pretty easy. worst part is the chlorine burn and being hypothermic all the time. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:56:51 PM EDT
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg I don't remember... I want to say he effed his knee up somehow. Fuck, I'm getting old.  I feel your pain. Take a knee. SEALS get to CLEP RANGER SCHOOL... I took the Long Range Surveillance Leaders Course by correspondence course. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 3:59:20 PM EDT
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Do they get a Ranger tab? Never seen that on a sailor uniform, but I know many team guys go through Ranger school They get a tab, but it is not authorized for wear on their uniform. This. Same with Marines. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:01:13 PM EDT
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I had some who went to school with me. Out of about 5 or 6 seals they all graduated but 1. It's been a while... but if I remember right, they mentioned sewing the tab on the bill of their cover.... maybe. You can see 2 of them on my right hand side....
<a href="http://s947.photobucket.com/user/Lungbuster_photos/media/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad314/Lungbuster_photos/ddddeee_zpsuddngbum.jpg</a> Let's see the graduation pic! |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:01:23 PM EDT
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It depends on what his MOS was and the unit he was in. It varies and I can guarantee you that PT is a joke in a bunch, if not most Navy units outside of the SEALS. That's not really a fair or good comparison from your buddy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the same reason SEALs go to Ranger School? There are guys here who know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but from what I know Ranger school is a useful leadership training course. BUD/S is more of a smoke fest. My buddy has been to BUD/s twice. Got out joined the army and gone to selection and then went to Ranger school twice. No, for one reason or another he didn't make it through any of them but he has said the army is a joke when it comes to the PT. says he's never even come close to experiencing the beat downs he got at BUD/s. That said, a Ranger wouldn't really learn anything at BUD/s, dive phase would be the only thing of use. Just my 2 cents which is actually free. It depends on what his MOS was and the unit he was in. It varies and I can guarantee you that PT is a joke in a bunch, if not most Navy units outside of the SEALS. That's not really a fair or good comparison from your buddy. The comparison was directly between Ranger school, SF selection and BUD/s. He went part way through hell week at BUD/s and did indoc the second time around and just wanted out of the navy at that point. In the Army he went the two weeks of selection for SF and was Dropped, wasn't told why but knew it wasn't physical standards. Then Ranger school he was med dropped the first time going into patrols and then the second time was dropped in patrols. Sounded like he got screwed their. He did everything they told the guy before him to do. Other guy passed, he got dropped. Don't know much else about that. But through all those schools, nothing came close to BUD/s. He is a tanker but recently filled an infantry slot and trained with SEALs. The SEALs showed them one of their IAD's. Then the Army guys started talking shit amongst themselves about the SEALs drill being pussy... Funny part is my pal called out all these strick army guys when they in fact had the exact same drills... Sometimes the difference is the amount of hairgel in place... Again though, these are his experiences as relayed to me. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:13:04 PM EDT
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Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:18:07 PM EDT
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Interesting, I would think guys that survive this would think land based drills are cake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqwzPsw5O4
It's not really a matter of if they think land based stuff is difficult or not, they just don't have much of a foundation for that kind of work. Where the huge majority of Ranger students are (or at one point) were infantryman... so they are just doing what they have always done just in a more extreme environment. While the SEALs are coming in and doing the infantry work that isn't something they do regularly, and are expected to do it in the same extreme environment as all the experienced grunts in the class. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:22:10 PM EDT
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? Rangers that need to swim go to the Combat Diver Qualification Course in Key West. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:37:17 PM EDT
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Interesting, I would think guys that survive this would think land based drills are cake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqwzPsw5O4
I think the point everyone's making is that they aren't as trained in land drills. A world class pianist isn't going to hop on a guitar and sound like Jimi Hendrix because he can play the piano well. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:39:17 PM EDT
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Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. IIRC, Cincinnatus made a similar observation while there. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:39:21 PM EDT
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Interesting, I would think guys that survive this would think land based drills are cake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqwzPsw5O4
Worst case if you can't untangle it, rip the regulator off and breathe off the tank by cracking the valve open and shut. And yes, it can be done and I have done it. We Divemasters used to fuck with each other mercilessly in the pool after the students were gone. It's a mind-fuck to teach you to stay calm and think your way thru the problem. The other stuff they are doing is underwater nav, it's like land nav, only underwater
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:39:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2015 4:42:31 PM EDT
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Its not seen as a tremendous honor for SEALs to go to Ranger school. I wouldn't go as far to call it punishment, but if you're jacked up and not getting it, being sent to Ranger school can be viewed as a wake up call. Same if you piss off your chiefs or LTs. Was that what it was like when you were a SEAL? I laffed It was when they replaced everything with the XM-8. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:11:24 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) That hellish weekend........ without hair gel. 
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:26:09 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. Was talking about this with a SEAL buddy a few weeks back, he said "F* that noise" to going to Ranger School, said all of the SEALs he knew who had gone came back looking like death camp survivors :-) I bet Ranger School officers give hell to non Army types. My friend was built/fit and at CHP training the instructors gave him hell more than the rest of the class. Makes me wonder about the AF guys I knew who went through Ranger school. I had a kid that worked for me who was selected for Para Rescue that wheedled his way into the AF SP pre-Ranger school course at Seymour Johnson back in the early 1980s. They liked him so much they got him a slot at Ranger school, but I transferred to CA before his class date. Never heard how things turned out, but I imagine if he made it through Ranger school before going to AF Para Rescue school, he would have had a helluva advantage at school. But a Para Rescue student with a Ranger tab would have gotten some really special lovin' from the AF instructors, too. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:28:31 PM EDT
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Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they? They aren't infantry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. I guess though with the current wars going on, SEALS spend way more time on land than sea. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:35:14 PM EDT
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I heard SEALs complete Ranger school in like a weekend. Cakewalk. The hardest part is having to do without gel for that entire weekend. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they? They aren't infantry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. get out. Procedures may be different, but 8-10 men moving on foot are pretty much the same no matter what. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:36:18 PM EDT
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i do know that Recon Marines do the same thing. They 'wear' it in a way that it cant be seen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they are so inclined, I have observed the tab concealed under the BDU/uniform shirt flap. I am not a Navy guy, and this is anecdotal. SEALS and Rangers have been learning to coexist and speak each others...language...since at least GW1. ETA-You may want to ask someone who is a little more current/recent, we have at least one well established member that recently retired...was a senior NCO and I believe a RI. Guys in my unit who went would normally sew it inside of their cover, or just keep a tab in their wallet. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:36:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:37:36 PM EDT
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How about the obverse? Any Rangers go to BUD/S? i actually know of one person that did this. enlisted army, was a ranger. some how or another he ended up in the navy and became a seal. got out became a fireman then cpt/commander or something. he was doing onsite safety/high angle rescue when i met him. haven't heard from him in a few years, but he was a genuinely good guy and always had his shit together. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:41:16 PM EDT
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Why would they? They aren't infantry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. They aren't infantry, but anyone who is going to be walking long distances to their objective, should have basic infantry skills. All the cool guy skills won't mean much when things go to shit because you get ambushed on the way there and haven't spent any time training on how to effectively react to an ambush. I'm pretty sure that is why they started having Rangers roll with SEALs. The SEALs did the cool guy operator stuff, while the Rangers were there to handle everything else that came up. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They aren't infantry, but anyone who is going to be walking long distances to their objective, should have basic infantry skills. All the cool guy skills won't mean much when things go to shit because you get ambushed on the way there and haven't spent any time training on how to effectively react to an ambush. I'm pretty sure that is why they started having Rangers roll with SEALs. The SEALs did the cool guy operator stuff, while the Rangers were there to handle everything else that came up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. They aren't infantry, but anyone who is going to be walking long distances to their objective, should have basic infantry skills. All the cool guy skills won't mean much when things go to shit because you get ambushed on the way there and haven't spent any time training on how to effectively react to an ambush. I'm pretty sure that is why they started having Rangers roll with SEALs. The SEALs did the cool guy operator stuff, while the Rangers were there to handle everything else that came up. Let the operators operate, and the Rangers deal with the logistics shit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:43:51 PM EDT
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Seen tabs inside of plate carriers or velcroed places.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:47:15 PM EDT
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Yeah, that is like bitching Rangers have no scuba skills. I guess though with the current wars going on, SEALS spend way more time on land than sea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. I guess though with the current wars going on, SEALS spend way more time on land than sea. I didn't think I was bitching about it. And as another poster pointed out, Rangers do go to Combat Swimmer School. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:47:30 PM EDT
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This thread is going to be hilarious.
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds good to me. Let the operators operate, and the Rangers deal with the logistics shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rangers and SEALs spent a lot of time working together in Iraq. Friend of mine from 2/75 complained that hey had no basic infantry skills. Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. They aren't infantry, but anyone who is going to be walking long distances to their objective, should have basic infantry skills. All the cool guy skills won't mean much when things go to shit because you get ambushed on the way there and haven't spent any time training on how to effectively react to an ambush. I'm pretty sure that is why they started having Rangers roll with SEALs. The SEALs did the cool guy operator stuff, while the Rangers were there to handle everything else that came up. Let the operators operate, and the Rangers deal with the logistics shit. Better to just have Delta. Guys who can do all the hooah, high speed raid shit, AND react to ambush and Infantry shit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet Better to just have Delta. Guys who can do all the hooah, high speed raid shit, AND react to ambush and Infantry shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet Why would they? They aren't infantry. Troop core skills consist of: Sniper, Breacher, Communicator, Maritime/Engineering, Close Air Support, Corpsman, Point-man/Navigator, Primary Driver/Navigator (Rural/Urban/Protective Security), Heavy Weapons Operator, Sensitive Site Exploitation, Air Operations Master, Lead Climber, Lead Diver/Navigator, Interrogator, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Technical Surveillance, and Advanced Special Operations. They aren't infantry, but anyone who is going to be walking long distances to their objective, should have basic infantry skills. All the cool guy skills won't mean much when things go to shit because you get ambushed on the way there and haven't spent any time training on how to effectively react to an ambush. I'm pretty sure that is why they started having Rangers roll with SEALs. The SEALs did the cool guy operator stuff, while the Rangers were there to handle everything else that came up. Let the operators operate, and the Rangers deal with the logistics shit. Better to just have Delta. Guys who can do all the hooah, high speed raid shit, AND react to ambush and Infantry shit. |
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Posted: 7/18/2015 5:54:38 PM EDT
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Do they get a Ranger tab? Never seen that on a sailor uniform, but I know many team guys go through Ranger school I never saw a Seal at Norfolk or Little Creek wearing one. We talked about this last week at work. I work with a retired Marine (force recon) that went to Ranger school with a Seal. He said the school kicked everyone's ass who was there, including his and other FORECON guys, yet the Seal was stone faced the entire time. Nothing fazed him, nothing bothered him, nothing even seemed to tax him. Force recon Marines are no fucking joke, and he said that Seal was absolutely unbreakable. Nice knowing those guys are on our team. EDIT: No one can go to BUD/S except those in the US Navy. Period, end of story. If you say otherwise you're misinformed and you don't care about getting the truth. "Do I have to be in the Navy to be eligible for Navy SEAL training? Yes. To become a SEAL, you must join the U.S. Navy or already be serving in the Navy." Straight from SOCOM, and it's also on the Navy website. Why the myth that Marines and Army Rangers go to (and let alone pass) BUD/S and an Internet mystery. Google is your friend. |
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