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5/15/2015 4:30:41 PM EDT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UN0mPKhPk

LOL @ 4:03

could you draw and engage in time in some of these instances?
5/15/2015 4:34:13 PM EDT
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So those were all the same guys? Looked like it.
5/15/2015 4:35:09 PM EDT
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Yeah, I should have posted the story: http://dpdbeat.com/2015/05/08/serial-robbers-of-cell-phone-businesses/
5/15/2015 4:36:25 PM EDT
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Looks like they worked in teams and had the drop on everyone. Only way to draw and fire is do it is after they start robbing the place and may be distracted. If they start executing, draw and damn the torpedo's.
5/15/2015 4:36:27 PM EDT
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No. Action beats reaction. But I could have shot them in the back as they swaggered out.
5/15/2015 4:39:54 PM EDT
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If I am ordered to the ground and carrying I'm going to roll the dice.  I figure if they see that I am carrying I am as good as dead so I might as well make their life interesting.
5/15/2015 4:43:44 PM EDT
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I know I left it somewhere...now where could it be ?  
5/15/2015 4:47:10 PM EDT
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lol, thats the same thing i was thinking
5/15/2015 4:47:10 PM EDT
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Or as they go for the cash.
5/15/2015 4:50:55 PM EDT
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Sticky situation there with two guys.
That's why you have to be careful when drawing so that you don't get shot in the back by the buddy. You're already behind the curve.
They must have a grudge against MetroPCS.
5/15/2015 4:51:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Nope. But not all solutions use guns.
5/15/2015 4:54:26 PM EDT
[#11]
I doubt that I could. That being said it wouldn't matter much anyway because if I was in a Metro PCS, I'm already fucked.
5/15/2015 4:57:48 PM EDT
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Based on the first couple instances, and how truly bad they are at maintaining visual on the customers and workers...quite possibly, yes.
5/15/2015 5:00:13 PM EDT
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that's the reality of almost any planned violent crime. They are always going to have the drop on you. I hear so many people think they are gonna go unlock their safe load a mag insert it charge the weapon and get in to position before a robber gets to the front door when in reality they will be woken up with a gun to their head and the criminals will have done what they want before the mark even knows what the fuck is going on.

suppose it is possible you could have drawn after you were on the ground but them working as a pair makes it tough although they were all sideways gangsta style wielding so hopefully they woulda just missed if i cared enough to intervene with an armed petty theft.
5/15/2015 5:00:28 PM EDT
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I may not have seen it coming, but there are plenty of chances to shoot after the fact and I would. I'm not going to leave my life in the hands of two dudes with guns if I have a chance to do something. They may leave or they may shoot me and then leave.
5/15/2015 5:01:54 PM EDT
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that's the reality of almost any planned violent crime. They are always going to have the drop on you. I hear so many people think they are gonna go unlock their safe load a mag insert it charge the weapon and get in to position before a robber gets to the front door when in reality they will be woken up with a gun to their head and the criminals will have done what they want before the mark even knows what the fuck is going on.

suppose it is possible you could have drawn after you were on the ground but them working as a pair makes it tough although they were all sideways gangsta style wielding so hopefully they woulda just missed if i cared enough to intervene with an armed petty theft.
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Now you're comparing a home invasion to this and you're just not correct in doing so. You're also not correct in saying someone is going to break through a door or window and get to YOUR room with a gun to your head before you do anything. If that was the case I doubt we'd hear much about home owners surviving break ins because they used their gun that was in a safe.
5/15/2015 5:10:56 PM EDT
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This, also in a few cases while they were securing ppl/stealing shit
5/15/2015 5:26:28 PM EDT
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They must have these




5/15/2015 5:27:50 PM EDT
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In the second robbery Idiot #1 left his gun.





5/15/2015 5:50:43 PM EDT
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Looks like it but at that close of a distance. I think the odds of taking a bullet are high.

They left a few open chances to take at least one of them out
5/15/2015 5:55:40 PM EDT
[#20]
I watched that whole fuck'in thing & that fuck didn't get shot....damn it
5/15/2015 5:59:25 PM EDT
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0:15

Draw, bang-bang-bang on dude to your right, bang-bang-bang on dude coming in the front.

If you're finished, unload and show clear, and then go check your hits. Easy enough, right?

2:45, I'm probably drawing and shooting here. 3:10 is another option. Just depends on which person I am.

That's all I watched for now.



5/15/2015 6:02:05 PM EDT
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Now you're comparing a home invasion to this and you're just not correct in doing so. You're also not correct in saying someone is going to break through a door or window and get to YOUR room with a gun to your head before you do anything. If that was the case I doubt we'd hear much about home owners surviving break ins because they used their gun that was in a safe.
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that's the reality of almost any planned violent crime. They are always going to have the drop on you. I hear so many people think they are gonna go unlock their safe load a mag insert it charge the weapon and get in to position before a robber gets to the front door when in reality they will be woken up with a gun to their head and the criminals will have done what they want before the mark even knows what the fuck is going on.

suppose it is possible you could have drawn after you were on the ground but them working as a pair makes it tough although they were all sideways gangsta style wielding so hopefully they woulda just missed if i cared enough to intervene with an armed petty theft.


Now you're comparing a home invasion to this and you're just not correct in doing so. You're also not correct in saying someone is going to break through a door or window and get to YOUR room with a gun to your head before you do anything. If that was the case I doubt we'd hear much about home owners surviving break ins because they used their gun that was in a safe.

wasn't exactly a comparison more of a commentary on this perfect scenario people have of how shit will go down.

if you think you're safe from waking up with a gun to your head in your own home you might be sorely mistaken. So maybe you don't don't arm your alarm system when you go to sleep but only when you leave the house. Burgler doesn't break your door but pops the latch with a butterknife or picks the lock draws a lot less attention anyway. They've already cased your home and know where you keep your valuables and guns....


anyway the point is to expect the unexpected. there are a lot of dumbshit criminals who will do the stupid thing but there are also a lot of cold calculating motherfuckers that know the element of surprise and the immediate violence of action are their best tools.
5/15/2015 6:52:28 PM EDT
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In time for what? You can shoot people anytime, even when they have a gun in your face. You`re likely to be shot, but you`re always likely to be shot in a gunfight.






















 
5/15/2015 7:02:55 PM EDT
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wasn't exactly a comparison more of a commentary on this perfect scenario people have of how shit will go down.

if you think you're safe from waking up with a gun to your head in your own home you might be sorely mistaken. So maybe you don't don't arm your alarm system when you go to sleep but only when you leave the house. Burgler doesn't break your door but pops the latch with a butterknife or picks the lock draws a lot less attention anyway. They've already cased your home and know where you keep your valuables and guns....


anyway the point is to expect the unexpected. there are a lot of dumbshit criminals who will do the stupid thing but there are also a lot of cold calculating motherfuckers that know the element of surprise and the immediate violence of action are their best tools.
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that's the reality of almost any planned violent crime. They are always going to have the drop on you. I hear so many people think they are gonna go unlock their safe load a mag insert it charge the weapon and get in to position before a robber gets to the front door when in reality they will be woken up with a gun to their head and the criminals will have done what they want before the mark even knows what the fuck is going on.

suppose it is possible you could have drawn after you were on the ground but them working as a pair makes it tough although they were all sideways gangsta style wielding so hopefully they woulda just missed if i cared enough to intervene with an armed petty theft.


Now you're comparing a home invasion to this and you're just not correct in doing so. You're also not correct in saying someone is going to break through a door or window and get to YOUR room with a gun to your head before you do anything. If that was the case I doubt we'd hear much about home owners surviving break ins because they used their gun that was in a safe.

wasn't exactly a comparison more of a commentary on this perfect scenario people have of how shit will go down.

if you think you're safe from waking up with a gun to your head in your own home you might be sorely mistaken. So maybe you don't don't arm your alarm system when you go to sleep but only when you leave the house. Burgler doesn't break your door but pops the latch with a butterknife or picks the lock draws a lot less attention anyway. They've already cased your home and know where you keep your valuables and guns....


anyway the point is to expect the unexpected. there are a lot of dumbshit criminals who will do the stupid thing but there are also a lot of cold calculating motherfuckers that know the element of surprise and the immediate violence of action are their best tools.


In a home situation you described this could be easily be remedied by a dog, even a small barker.
5/15/2015 10:58:54 PM EDT
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In a home situation you described this could be easily be remedied by a dog, even a small barker.
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that's the reality of almost any planned violent crime. They are always going to have the drop on you. I hear so many people think they are gonna go unlock their safe load a mag insert it charge the weapon and get in to position before a robber gets to the front door when in reality they will be woken up with a gun to their head and the criminals will have done what they want before the mark even knows what the fuck is going on.

suppose it is possible you could have drawn after you were on the ground but them working as a pair makes it tough although they were all sideways gangsta style wielding so hopefully they woulda just missed if i cared enough to intervene with an armed petty theft.


Now you're comparing a home invasion to this and you're just not correct in doing so. You're also not correct in saying someone is going to break through a door or window and get to YOUR room with a gun to your head before you do anything. If that was the case I doubt we'd hear much about home owners surviving break ins because they used their gun that was in a safe.

wasn't exactly a comparison more of a commentary on this perfect scenario people have of how shit will go down.

if you think you're safe from waking up with a gun to your head in your own home you might be sorely mistaken. So maybe you don't don't arm your alarm system when you go to sleep but only when you leave the house. Burgler doesn't break your door but pops the latch with a butterknife or picks the lock draws a lot less attention anyway. They've already cased your home and know where you keep your valuables and guns....


anyway the point is to expect the unexpected. there are a lot of dumbshit criminals who will do the stupid thing but there are also a lot of cold calculating motherfuckers that know the element of surprise and the immediate violence of action are their best tools.


In a home situation you described this could be easily be remedied by a dog, even a small barker.


Unless it's one of those dogs that barks all the time.  You could become desensitized to it.