Posted: 4/22/2015 11:08:23 AM EDT
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Most indoor ranges are configured in a similar manner (some outdoor ranges too). Shooting bays, usually with tables behind for range bags, targets and ammo. If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. I've searched and even the NRA guidelines do not cover this. This could apply to supervised and unsupervised ranges, both indoor and outdoor. I've read several threads about RSOs being an ass when shooters break rules. Often the rule violation has to do with movement of the gun around and on the line. What do you think is correct? |
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Quoted: Most indoor ranges are configured in a similar manner (some outdoor ranges too). Shooting bays, usually with tables behind for range bags, targets and ammo. If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. I've searched and even the NRA guidelines do not cover this. This could apply to supervised and unsupervised ranges, both indoor and outdoor. I've read several threads about RSOs being an ass when shooters break rules. Often the rule violation has to do with movement of the gun around and on the line. What do you think is correct? |
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If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. |
| Every indoor range I have gone to has a rule requiring that guns be put into and taken out of containers/bags at the firing line. I was at a range once -- at the bay on the end so nobody to my right. I carried a Ruger 22/45 with the action open, no magazine, finger off the trigger, pointed down range the whole time, back to a bag about 6 feet behind me. The range officer told me not to do that again. |
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Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. Quoted:
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If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. This. |
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Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. Quoted:
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If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. +1 Less chance of NDing a bystander if you're in your bay (with bullet resistance dividers) when uncasing gun and fumbling with it. |
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I personally think that both ways should be correct, as long you don't touch your gun if someone is walking on the range (if possible). The ranges I shoot where you can walk on the range (so no tunnel ranges), you are not allowed to touch your gun when the range is cold. There is always an RSO with the shooters and he tells them when the range goes hot. Then you can pick up your gun and load it, shoot it. When the range goes cold, everyone puts their weapons down and does not touch them. |
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As someone who took the NRA RSO course, I can tell you that every range has its own specific set of rules. Were I at an unfamiliar range, I'd leave the pistol in the rug until I was at the station, unless informed otherwise.
I was at one some time ago and got yelled at. During the cease-fire, I went to grab a couple of targets from my bench to staple up. I had to get one of the range guys to retrieve a piece of paper. I wasn't doing anything unsafe, but I was in violation of range procedure. Embarrassment, but no butthurt. Keep in mind, especially at a public range, these guys really don't have a clue whether or not you know anything about what you're doing there. They put rules into place to deal with the least common denominator, because they have to. People are idiots. |
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Last time I went to the indoor range, a guy & his girlfriend were loading and chambering at the table behind the line, then walking the gun to the stall with the muzzle up. I mentioned it to the range officer on my way out & no fucks were given. Haven't been back since. |
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The two indoor ranges I go to have no rules regarding where a gun is uncased, and the only supervision is the counter guys who can see the shooters through a window and closed circuit cams (if they are working). I as well as countless others have taken my gun out on the back bench and walked it to the line. I confess I did not know any better. I started thinking though that try as you might, you are going to muzzle sweep someone. I now uncase/case only at the line. |
| At my indoor range you can unpack behind the line. The one hard and fast rule is no loaded mags until you're on the line. We have clubs that use the range that store firearms in a safe well behind the line. Taking the guns out of the safe and then packing them in a case of some kind is just not practical. We do use chamber flags on the club guns, which is a fairly recent rule. The line only has five lanes so controlling things is pretty easy. |
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Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. Quoted:
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If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. Thats normally how I do it |
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At my indoor range you can unpack behind the line. The one hard and fast rule is no loaded mags until you're on the line. We have clubs that use the range that store firearms in a safe well behind the line. Taking the guns out of the safe and then packing them in a case of some kind is just not practical. We do use chamber flags on the club guns, which is a fairly recent rule. The line only has five lanes so controlling things is pretty easy. Do you mean no loaded mags inserted? Surely that doesn't mean you can't LOAD a mag until you are on the line. I've always loaded mags at home so I'm not spending paid time doing it. Obviously they are kept separate from firearms until ready to shoot. 
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+1 Less chance of NDing a bystander if you're in your bay (with bullet resistance dividers) when uncasing gun and fumbling with it. Quoted:
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If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. +1 Less chance of NDing a bystander if you're in your bay (with bullet resistance dividers) when uncasing gun and fumbling with it. The dividers are not bullet resistant. Take it out of the case on the line with the muzzle pointed downrange so that if you accidentally fire it, the bullet goes in a safe direction. If you open the case and see that the muzzles point the wrong way, close the case and turn it so it's correct. |
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Do you mean no loaded mags inserted? Surely that doesn't mean you can't LOAD a mag until you are on the line. I've always loaded mags at home so I'm not spending paid time doing it. Obviously they are kept separate from firearms until ready to shoot. Quoted:
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At my indoor range you can unpack behind the line. The one hard and fast rule is no loaded mags until you're on the line. We have clubs that use the range that store firearms in a safe well behind the line. Taking the guns out of the safe and then packing them in a case of some kind is just not practical. We do use chamber flags on the club guns, which is a fairly recent rule. The line only has five lanes so controlling things is pretty easy. Do you mean no loaded mags inserted? Surely that doesn't mean you can't LOAD a mag until you are on the line. I've always loaded mags at home so I'm not spending paid time doing it. Obviously they are kept separate from firearms until ready to shoot. Empty mags until you're on the line. Load mags there. I don't know anyone who loads mags at home, with the one exception of IDPA shooters. It's just not done at my club. Not sure why. |
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Empty mags until you're on the line. Load mags there. I don't know anyone who loads mags at home, with the one exception of IDPA shooters. It's just not done at my club. Not sure why. Quoted:
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At my indoor range you can unpack behind the line. The one hard and fast rule is no loaded mags until you're on the line. We have clubs that use the range that store firearms in a safe well behind the line. Taking the guns out of the safe and then packing them in a case of some kind is just not practical. We do use chamber flags on the club guns, which is a fairly recent rule. The line only has five lanes so controlling things is pretty easy. Do you mean no loaded mags inserted? Surely that doesn't mean you can't LOAD a mag until you are on the line. I've always loaded mags at home so I'm not spending paid time doing it. Obviously they are kept separate from firearms until ready to shoot. Empty mags until you're on the line. Load mags there. I don't know anyone who loads mags at home, with the one exception of IDPA shooters. It's just not done at my club. Not sure why. Stupid Fudds run the place? |
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Public ranges suck for this reason! Big deal about 6 feet! I get it, you can't trust just everybody but that comes with the public range part. Hence, they suck. I used to carry all my pistols in a range bag, no rugs to put them in. Open action then to the line. Public ranges suck and stupid ar brakes in indoor ranges made me stop going. Have my own private range now. 
PS: That and RSO finger fucking my multiple pistols every time I went although I was a paid yearly member. Screw that shit. |
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I've read several threads about RSOs being an ass when shooters break rules. Often the rule violation has to do with movement of the gun around and on the line. What do you think is correct? Ask question at that range. Answered above. They have no stated policy |
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As above, the indoor range we frequent requires all uncasing be done at the shooting line. The case may then be moved to the shelf behind the shooting line. I thought that was standard. Quoted:
As above, the indoor range we frequent requires all uncasing be done at the shooting line. The case may then be moved to the shelf behind the shooting line. I thought that was standard. This is how it is where I shoot, for what it's worth. Quoted:
PS: That and RSO finger fucking my multiple pistols every time I went although I was a paid yearly member. Screw that shit. That's kind of weird. No one even looks at my guns at the range, let alone touches them. |
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Quoted: You guys have me thinking. Most indoor pistol ranges I've been to are lax about this sort of thing. I'm trying to think about all the times some random stranger was losing his gun behind the firing line. Kinda gives me chills. That's odd. Every single indoor range I've been to requires casing/uncasing at the firing line only. There's NO other way to keep from flagging people. |
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At my indoor range you can unpack behind the line. The one hard and fast rule is no loaded mags until you're on the line. We have clubs that use the range that store firearms in a safe well behind the line. Taking the guns out of the safe and then packing them in a case of some kind is just not practical. We do use chamber flags on the club guns, which is a fairly recent rule. The line only has five lanes so controlling things is pretty easy. Do you mean no loaded mags inserted? Surely that doesn't mean you can't LOAD a mag until you are on the line. I've always loaded mags at home so I'm not spending paid time doing it. Obviously they are kept separate from firearms until ready to shoot. Empty mags until you're on the line. Load mags there. I don't know anyone who loads mags at home, with the one exception of IDPA shooters. It's just not done at my club. Not sure why. Stupid Fudds run the place? I happen to be one the folks that run the place and no we're not stupid fudds. Guys just don't bring loaded mags to the range. Always been that way. |
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Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. Quoted:
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If you have your pistol in a sleeve, in your range bag, do you remove it from the sleeve on the table and carry it to the bay or do you leave it in the sleeve until you're in the bay. Option 2 is a safe bet. Uncase it on the firing line, and then place the empty case on the benches behind you. |
"Common sense. So uncommon it should be a super power." That's the #1 rule covered in my range briefing at work for new shooters: "Do not handle any weapons behind the firing line whatsoever. All handling, casing and un-casing is to be done at the firing line and the firing line only." That's verbatim. 
After all, do you really want some fuck nut that you don't know from Adam handling weapons behind your back? |
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I've read several threads about RSOs being an ass when shooters break rules. Often the rule violation has to do with movement of the gun around and on the line. What do you think is correct? Also, if you don't give me a reason to be an "ass", I won't be an ass. 
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| This is really something that should be addressed in the SOP for each individual range. I have worked as a volunteer RSO and I have seen it both ways at different ranges. It is always best to ask for an orientation briefing whenever you shoot at a range for the first time. A lot of ranges have unique and/or quirky rules about all sorts of stuff (drawing from a holster, collecting brass, number of guns out at once, etc.) In the end, their range = their rules. |
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Range rules differ.
Some prohibit ALL weapons handling except at the firing line. Others say it's okay to carry it to the firing line with the action open/flag in the chamber. I prefer the first one. I just don't trust people that much with guns. A range I used to volunteer for had an NRA "certified instructor" ND when he was transferring his firearm from the back table to the shooting lane bench because the fat fuck didn't think it was loaded, didn't bother to clear the chamber, and lost his grip on the gun when removing it from his bag and pulled the trigger when he tried to catch it when it was falling. That was a headache for the range and everyone there, one of the shooters called the cops and then it really turned into a party
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Quoted: Empty mags until you're on the line. Load mags there. I don't know anyone who loads mags at home, with the one exception of IDPA shooters. It's just not done at my club. Not sure why. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At my indoor range you can unpack behind the line. The one hard and fast rule is no loaded mags until you're on the line. We have clubs that use the range that store firearms in a safe well behind the line. Taking the guns out of the safe and then packing them in a case of some kind is just not practical. We do use chamber flags on the club guns, which is a fairly recent rule. The line only has five lanes so controlling things is pretty easy. Do you mean no loaded mags inserted? Surely that doesn't mean you can't LOAD a mag until you are on the line. I've always loaded mags at home so I'm not spending paid time doing it. Obviously they are kept separate from firearms until ready to shoot. Empty mags until you're on the line. Load mags there. I don't know anyone who loads mags at home, with the one exception of IDPA shooters. It's just not done at my club. Not sure why. AHHAHAHAHHAHA. Sorry , that sucks. |
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This is really something that should be addressed in the SOP for each individual range. I have worked as a volunteer RSO and I have seen it both ways at different ranges. It is always best to ask for an orientation briefing whenever you shoot at a range for the first time. A lot of ranges have unique and/or quirky rules about all sorts of stuff (drawing from a holster, collecting brass, number of guns out at once, etc.) In the end, their range = their rules. I always ask: "Have you shot here before?" If not, the individual or party gets a range briefing before they step out on the line. If they've been here before, then they've no doubt received a briefing and they should know better. |
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A range I used to volunteer for had an NRA "certified instructor" ND when he was transferring his firearm from the back table to the shooting lane bench because the fat fuck didn't think it was loaded, didn't bother to clear the chamber, and lost his grip on the gun when removing it from his bag and pulled the trigger when he tried to catch it when it was falling. That was a headache for the range and everyone there, one of the shooters called the cops and then it really turned into a party What's the fifth rule of gun handling? "Never turn your back on a guy who has "NRA Instructor" patches plastered all over his vest." 
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What's the fifth rule of gun handling? "Never turn your back on a guy who has "NRA Instructor" patches plastered all over his vest." Quoted:
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A range I used to volunteer for had an NRA "certified instructor" ND when he was transferring his firearm from the back table to the shooting lane bench because the fat fuck didn't think it was loaded, didn't bother to clear the chamber, and lost his grip on the gun when removing it from his bag and pulled the trigger when he tried to catch it when it was falling. That was a headache for the range and everyone there, one of the shooters called the cops and then it really turned into a party What's the fifth rule of gun handling? "Never turn your back on a guy who has "NRA Instructor" patches plastered all over his vest." 
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