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3/7/2003 2:30:56 PM EDT
I just got this in an email and it pretty much sums up how pathetic Germany is.

1871 - Bismark founds modern Germany.
1890 - Bismark sacked, warmonger Wilhelm II takes direct control.
1914 - Germany starts World War I
1914-1918 - Germany kills millions upon millions of people.
1917 - Germany force peace loving Americans to enter war.
1918 - Germany loses World War I.
1920s - Germans try democracy.
1933 - Germans reject democracy, allow Hitler to take power.
1939 - Germany starts World War II.
1939-1945 - Germany kills millions upon millions of people.
1941 - Germany force peace loving Americans to enter war.
1945 - Germany loses World War II.
1946 - Germans whine about lack of food, America gives billions in food aid to feed them.
1947 - Germans whine about crappy economy, America gives billions in Marshall Plan aid to rebuild German economy.
1948-1949 - America puts ass on line and risk WW3 to save a few Berliners from Soviet hordes.
1949 - Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) established.
1950s - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1950s - German 'economic miracle' occurs while America keeps watch on Soviet hordes.
1955 - NATO formed to protect West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1960s - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1960s - German students protest war in Vietnam and American civil rights.
1963 - American President John Kennedy makes "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech.
1970s - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1970s - Germans form the Marxist terrorist group Red Army Faction (RAF).
1970s - Leftist German guerrillas burn, loot, and plunder much of West Germany.
1980s - America spends tens of billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1980s - German leftist bitch about Pershing II missiles
1987 - American President Ronald Reagan makes "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" speech.
1989 - Gorbachev tears down Berlin Wall.
1990 - German Reunification.
1990s - America spends tens of billions to defend Germany from Islamic hordes.
1990s - Germany stands by as ethnic cleansing occurs in Balkans.
1993 - Germany joins European Union.
1995 - Americans send troops to Bosnia as Germans watch from the sidelines.
1997 - Germans finally send troops to Bosnia.
1998 - Hard-line, left-of-left socialist come to power under Gerhard Schroeder.
1999 - American's lead air war to save Kosovo as Germans watch from the sidelines.
2001 - Schroeder offers solidarity to America after 9/11 attacks.
2002 - Schroeder bashes America to distract voters during election campaign.
2003 - Germany sees rise in anti-Americanism after several decades of poor treatment from America.
AND WE WERE THINKING THE FRENCH WERE A BUNCH OF UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS?
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3/7/2003 2:34:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Seeing as how my mother's and her family are German, and I kinda doubt that they had much to do with any of that, you wanna lighten your ass up just a bit?
3/7/2003 2:38:48 PM EDT
[#2]
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Seeing as how my mother's and her family are German, and I kinda doubt that they had much to do with any of that, you wanna lighten your ass up just a bit?
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I guess you didn't get the meaning of it.  After all this time of American involvement through money and US lives, the Germans can't stand by us to stop an illegitimate and murderous regime.

What does that have to do with your family and how would you like me to lighten it up?
3/7/2003 2:40:50 PM EDT
[#3]
I think you're wearing your shorts too tight. Could they be squeezing your ball-sack, causing irrational ravings?
3/7/2003 2:43:00 PM EDT
[#4]
The title seems to be painting [b]all[/b] German with the same brush as their politicions.  I can almost guarantee that the German people as a whole support what we're trying to do.
3/7/2003 2:43:32 PM EDT
[#5]
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I think you're wearing your shorts too tight. Could they be squeezing your ball-sack, causing irrational ravings?
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I knew you'd eventually say something, but these aren't ravings, these are verifiable facts.  Maybe the topic is my "raving" but the last line was also part of the email.  I'll go back and "quote" the email part of it.
3/7/2003 2:44:27 PM EDT
[#6]
3 out of 4 of my grandparents were immigrants from Germany (Mom's Mom was Irish). I am AMERICAN first and foremost, but I have pride in my ancestry as well.

Keep it up... [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=8401[/img]

EricE
3/7/2003 2:45:04 PM EDT
[#7]
[smoke] [coffee] [smoke]
3/7/2003 2:45:24 PM EDT
[#8]
Don't judge the Germans on their governments.
I mean, look at what represents us here in the US. A lot of folks WE are not so proud of, either.
The Germans that *I* know gave rise to the very best of Americans when they emigrated here.
And there are a lot of good ones still Over There.
You hate Germans? What are you, French?
3/7/2003 2:46:19 PM EDT
[#9]
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The title seems to be painting [b]all[/b] German with the same brush as their politicions.  I can almost guarantee that the German people as a whole support what we're trying to do.
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Well, that's not my intention.  As you can see, the bulk of what is discussed shows that the actions taken by Germany were by their government, which often doesn't follow the people.  However, with Schroeder, you'll notice that an overwhelming proportion of the citizens NOW stand behind him and the anti American sentiment.

Does that mean all German's are bastards?  Nope, it just means (IMO) that right now, the German government is corrupted by short sighted ingrateful bastards.
3/7/2003 2:46:29 PM EDT
[#10]
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I knew you'd eventually say something, but these aren't ravings, these are verifiable facts.
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In that case I'll have to disassemble your post point by point. Stand-by.
3/7/2003 2:47:37 PM EDT
[#11]
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I think you're wearing your shorts too tight. Could they be squeezing your ball-sack, causing irrational ravings?
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I knew you'd eventually say something, but these aren't ravings, these are verifiable facts.  Maybe the topic is my "raving" but the last line was also part of the email.  I'll go back and "quote" the email part of it.
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So, perhaps you were trying to piss Kar98 off intentionally? That's the feeling I am getting here.
3/7/2003 2:48:10 PM EDT
[#12]
Lemme gou out on a limb here and take a wild guess at something.  Your career in the Diplomatic Corp didn't exactly work out?????
3/7/2003 2:50:17 PM EDT
[#13]
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So, perhaps you were trying to piss Kar98 off intentionally? That's the feeling I am getting here.
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If I were going after him personally, I would have directed it at him.  However, ANYTIME there is something related (even comically) to Germany, he posts.

By the way, why are you AMERICANS offended at my comments which are directed at CURRENT Germans???  Maybe you should read what I wrote instead of taking it to mean anything about Americans of German ancestry. [rolleyes]
3/7/2003 2:51:06 PM EDT
[#14]
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Lemme gou out on a limb here and take a wild guess at something.  Your career in the Diplomatic Corp didn't exactly work out?????
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Did Ed tell you?  Just don't rub my nose in it, alright?  I feel bad enough as it is!
3/7/2003 2:51:53 PM EDT
[#15]
My mother-in-law moved here from germany as a very young adult right after WWII. She is livid regarding the stance Germany has taken.

She is proud of her heritage, but she considers herself all American after living here most of her life. She is not embarrassed for Germany, she is angry that they could act in such an ungratefull manner.

She thinks they're a bunch of damn Socialists, too. [:)]
3/7/2003 2:52:58 PM EDT
[#16]
This postis funny as hell. Must be the generation gap

EricE,Kar98,DonR:[>(]
3/7/2003 2:55:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Damn Greg, none of this is worth getting all fuzzed up over.  If we can't go over there and kick Saddam's ass without help, we don't have any business going at all.  
3/7/2003 2:56:58 PM EDT
[#18]
France
Germany
China
Russia

They can all go to hell.

3/7/2003 2:59:14 PM EDT
[#19]
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Damn Greg, none of this is worth getting all fuzzed up over.  If we can't go over there and kick Saddam's ass without help, we don't have any business going at all.  
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No argument from me!  However, if you walked into a bar with 3 friends and were provoked into a fight by tyrannical midgets, wouldn't you still be pissed if two of your friends didn't stand behind you to merely show support for you, rather than turning around and accusing you of being a midget bully? [:D]

For the record, I'm not all fuzzed up, I'm just trying not to get accused of hating Germans or anything.  I'm just disgusted by the French and Germans EQUALLY.  I just didn't get anything via email about the French recently!
3/7/2003 3:01:37 PM EDT
[#20]
The germans are a bunch of pussies.
3/7/2003 3:02:41 PM EDT
[#21]
Let me take a wild guess here, and speculate that someone that names himself after Honoré de Balzac just *might* be French in ancestry.
HAHAHAHAHA! It allllllll becomes clear, little one. The only folks I know that are *that* hateful towards MY ancestry are those that couldn't stop the Germans from walking all over their country whenever the Germans damned well felt like it. What is it now, FOUR times?
You GOTTA be French. LOL!
That explains it.
Well, sugar, we are all Americans now, get the hell OVER it.
Germans are hard-working, scientific, precise, family loving, CLEAN folks that like to drink beer and have a good time.
I can SO see why we piss you off, hahahaha!

Hannah(American, but with sincere respect for my ancestors)Reitsch
3/7/2003 3:03:26 PM EDT
[#22]
Well hell, go pick on the Swiss.  They haven't caught hell lately!
3/7/2003 3:04:19 PM EDT
[#23]
The germans on this board are just jealous that the Americans kicked their ass twice in less than fifty years.
3/7/2003 3:06:16 PM EDT
[#24]
CK check the mod forum!
3/7/2003 3:06:27 PM EDT
[#25]
This is so silly.
I'm part german (moms side), but I know exactly what balzac is talking about, his post speaks for itself.

AND Don R, being a staff member YOU know what he's talking about when he's generalizing. It doesn't take a fool to know that with each nation, there's different viewpoints, but your gov still has to make a decsion, and his initial post shows the path their gov has decided to take.
Your arguing for the sake of arguing.
3/7/2003 3:07:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Hannah: I'm pretty far from being French, but if you read anything about Balzac, you'd find his comments support the RKBA and have an interesting look on big government and classes of people.  I was a history major, but liked Balzac's work, not to mention, his name always brought a smile to my face.  Yes, I'm immature in certain ways!

However, I'm not French, I'm Norwegian and Italian, so go have a field day and craft up some nice insults.  Won't bother me, BECAUSE I'M AN AMERICAN and only think of myself as such.

DonR, the Swiss are boring and who would debate anything said about them???