[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Karma (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/17/2015 7:29:45 AM EDT
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I ride a motorcycle poorly, so I am always looking for good gear to keep the breaks and abrasions to a minimum. Last week I saw a pair of cycle specific pants for sale. They were a couple of years old and the guy wanted $100 for them. They sell a new version for a little less than $200 so I sent a PM saying "hey I'm horrible at bartering, so give me a fair price shipped and I'll take them". Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and say $80 shipped, or at least he'd throw shipping in for free. You guessed it, he says $125 shipped. I'm a man of my word so I sent the cash. Yesterday they arrived, I checked the pockets and balled up in a pocket were two $20 bills that had gone through the wash. I'll consider that a karma rebate. |
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Back story: I ride a motorcycle poorly, so I am always looking for good gear to keep the breaks and abrasions to a minimum. Last week I saw a pair of cycle specific pants for sale. They were a couple of years old and the guy wanted $100 for them. They sell a new version for a little less than $200 so I sent a PM saying "hey I'm horrible at bartering, so give me a fair price shipped and I'll take them". Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and say $80 shipped, or at least he'd throw shipping in for free. You guessed it, he says $125 shipped. I'm a man of my word so I sent the cash. Yesterday they arrived, I checked the pockets and balled up in a pocket were two $20 bills that had gone through the wash. I'll consider that a karma rebate. Are you going to try and return their money or just steal it? |
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Karma because you were trying to lowball/barter on a clearly marked price by asking the typical, "Give me your best price" in the form of "give me a fair price," which they were already listed at?
You going to offer the dude his $40 back, or keep it for yourself? |
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Back story: I ride a motorcycle poorly, so I am always looking for good gear to keep the breaks and abrasions to a minimum. Last week I saw a pair of cycle specific pants for sale. They were a couple of years old and the guy wanted $100 for them. They sell a new version for a little less than $200 so I sent a PM saying "hey I'm horrible at bartering, so give me a fair price shipped and I'll take them". Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and say $80 shipped, or at least he'd throw shipping in for free. You guessed it, he says $125 shipped. I'm a man of my word so I sent the cash. Yesterday they arrived, I checked the pockets and balled up in a pocket were two $20 bills that had gone through the wash. I'll consider that a karma rebate. Please post when karma bites you in the ass. |
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Back story: I ride a motorcycle poorly, so I am always looking for good gear to keep the breaks and abrasions to a minimum. Last week I saw a pair of cycle specific pants for sale. They were a couple of years old and the guy wanted $100 for them. They sell a new version for a little less than $200 so I sent a PM saying "hey I'm horrible at bartering, so give me a fair price shipped and I'll take them". Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and say $80 shipped, or at least he'd throw shipping in for free. You guessed it, he says $125 shipped. I'm a man of my word so I sent the cash. Yesterday they arrived, I checked the pockets and balled up in a pocket were two $20 bills that had gone through the wash. I'll consider that a karma rebate. Are you going to try and return their money or just steal it? Seller should have checked pockets? |
| The "give me a fair price" comment would annoy me as a seller. My fair price is what it's listed as. Make an offer if you must but don't expect me to haggle myself down. Be prepared to be shot down when I don't like your offer. I say this coming freshly off a few craigslist sales and hating every buyers weak "how firm are you on price?" They all pay full price anyway but they just have to ask. |
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I think I'm more upset that your mom didn't raise you better. 
what's it like to have no morals? |
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Actually I like this idea. Good call.
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Let him know the cash was there. More than likely he will let it slide--then Karma is served. If he wants it back, then you can charge him for shipping (a fair price) if you feel that is the right thing. But the bottom line is, it isn't your money. |
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You are pretty bad at bartering. Should have just offered $80 shipped and let him accept or counter-offer. I've noticed a lot of thieves generally don't know how to barter since they usually just take what they want, such as a box of cigars for example. Karma got that guy. |
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I am not clear on the topic. It this a discussion of Karma or of ethics?
The probability of Karma from something you did in this life having an effect on you in this life is pretty much zero. This life and what happens in this life are the effects of previous Karma. Nor is it Karma when you benefit or appear to benefit when someone else has committed a 'wrong'. That he lost $40 in the pants because he 'screwed' you is simply not what Karma is or how it works. To put it very generally, if you get screwed on something in this life it is the result of you screwing someone in the past. If you screw someone in this life it is because you have brought that tenancy with you an it will effect you in the future. If you have good fortune in this life, it is the result of you having been virtuous in the past. Karma is cause and effect. When I have stated a price and someone says "What is your best price" I inform them that I do not bid against myself or I simply point out that I have stated a price. I am content to allow the negotiation to falter. I have several items posted in the EE. Occasionally someone sends me a low ball offer and I reply, "No, thank you" and leave it at that. To the OP, in your offer to the seller you said, "give me a fair price shipped and I'll take them". If you did not feel that the price he gave you was fair then you could have and should have said no. Once you agreed then you had a deal. What if, rather than $40 in the pockets there was $400? Would you still feel entitled to keep it? Stealing, Karmically, is when you think of something that belongs to someone else as belonging to you and you obtain or retain possession of it. |
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OP, it is your money. If the money was coming out of my pocket, I'd still feel the same way. Also, watch a few episodes of Pawn Stars. That show is like a college degree in negotiation, for real. I don't know much about these pants, so let me call my friend who is an expert on pants. Yeah. On line diploma mill college degree. 
OP, just say 40 Hail Marys. Most of the holier than thou crowd knows this will absolve you of all sins so you can get a fresh start on the high horse and sin some more. |
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I ride a motorcycle poorly, so I am always looking for good gear to keep the breaks and abrasions to a minimum. lol Maybe you should be looking for a training course. Well, he now has $40 that he can put towards a training course. 
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Quoted: Sorry, but nobody is that squeaky clean. OP has no duty to return that money. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Keeping the cash! Way to have integrity. Sorry, but nobody is that squeaky clean. OP has no duty to return that money. Nice to know people's integrity has a price as cheap as $40 |
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Damn. Imagine how good you would feel sending him back his money with no reward for yourself... I guess you won't be feeling that. 
He'd feel $40 poorer. Seller should have checked the pockets. Fuck him. I would contact him and tell him thanks for the $40 discount. |
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Sorry, but nobody is that squeaky clean. OP has no duty to return that money. Quoted:
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Keeping the cash! Way to have integrity. Sorry, but nobody is that squeaky clean. OP has no duty to return that money. Is the OP your life coach, or are you his? What dollar amount brings out your integrity? Duty to act in this case is based purely on morality, and clearly you two are lacking in that department. |
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Is the OP your life coach, or are you his? What dollar amount brings out your integrity? Duty to act in this case is based purely on morality, and clearly you two are lacking in that department. Quoted:
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Keeping the cash! Way to have integrity. Sorry, but nobody is that squeaky clean. OP has no duty to return that money. Is the OP your life coach, or are you his? What dollar amount brings out your integrity? Duty to act in this case is based purely on morality, and clearly you two are lacking in that department. Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? |
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If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Quoted:
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Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? |
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Quoted: Were they sold as is or not? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? You have a tank, so I would hope you would have more INTEGRITY than to keep something that doesn't belong to you. Obviously the seller did not intend to leave $40 in the pants. |
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The "give me a fair price" comment would annoy me as a seller. My fair price is what it's listed as. Make an offer if you must but don't expect me to haggle myself down. Be prepared to be shot down when I don't like your offer. I say this coming freshly off a few craigslist sales and hating every buyers weak "how firm are you on price?" They all pay full price anyway but they just have to ask. It annoys me too, but it seems like most sellers intentionally overprice items so that they can come down on them because they know people expect to haggle. Have you ever noticed that used Glocks on local gun boards are listed at more than they cost new? It's a stupid game |
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Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? |
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Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? Quoted:
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Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? Were the pants sold as is or not? |
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Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? Quoted:
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Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? How is keeping the money the wrong thing? Seller should have checked the pockets. Buyer should assume whatever was included in the package is his. |
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Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? Were the pants sold as is or not? I guess as your morals become looser, justifying bad behavior becomes easier, kind of like being a Clinton staffer. I have no idea if they were AS-IS, but there was no mention in the description of coming with $40 in the pocket.  I guess I was just raised right
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How is keeping the money the wrong thing? Seller should have checked the pockets. Buyer should assume whatever was included in the package is his. Quoted:
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Were the pants not being sold 'AS-IS' , white knight? If doing the right thing means getting called a 'white knight' then I guess I'm Sir Medicfrost. Were they sold as is or not? Takes a lot if mental gymnastics trying to justify doing the wrong thing, huh? How is keeping the money the wrong thing? Seller should have checked the pockets. Buyer should assume whatever was included in the package is his. Whatever makes you sleep better at night. I guess I was just raised right.
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