[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How long until the ATF slaps Taurus? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/12/2015 11:38:49 AM EDT
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How can they be this damn incompetent?
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Is it a requirement to have the caliber stamped on the barrel? Sure it should have it from a safety standpoint, but is it a legal requirement? Yes. It needs to be stamped or engraved on the barrel, frame, or reciever. http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=96c67b804d163b6825c3b1e230c0e7a4&mc=true&node=se27.3.478_192&rgn=div8 |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg Call me special, but I would have bought one if they were legal. |
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Call me special, but I would have bought one if they were legal. Quoted:
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg Call me special, but I would have bought one if they were legal. That was the issue. I would have too. You figure they would have checked the legality of it before they brought the damn thing to SHOT show and had it confiscated. |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? It was not legal. |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? 28 Gauge smooth bore IIRC. |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? 20 ga Judge. ETA maybe it was 28 ga. |
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& FBHO I don't know how Taurus could have overlooked this simple requirement. Notwithstanding AFT rules, there's a liability factor I'd consider as the main reason why I'd want to stamp a barrel with its caliber. Quoted:
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FATF & FBHO I don't know how Taurus could have overlooked this simple requirement. Notwithstanding AFT rules, there's a liability factor I'd consider as the main reason why I'd want to stamp a barrel with its caliber. The same way they overlook making guns that don't suck and break. Horrible company is horrible. |
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The same way they overlook making guns that don't suck and break. Horrible company is horrible. Quoted:
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FATF & FBHO I don't know how Taurus could have overlooked this simple requirement. Notwithstanding AFT rules, there's a liability factor I'd consider as the main reason why I'd want to stamp a barrel with its caliber. The same way they overlook making guns that don't suck and break. Horrible company is horrible. Another one of their recalls. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/26/brazilian-police-recall-98000-taurus-247-ds-pistols/ 
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? It's a Title II firearm. Title II firearms are illegal to import unless being sold to the government. Handgun over .50 caliber, ATF probably classified it as an AOW. |
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It's a Title II firearm. Title II firearms are illegal to import unless being sold to the government. Handgun over .50 caliber, ATF probably classified it as an AOW. Quoted:
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? It's a Title II firearm. Title II firearms are illegal to import unless being sold to the government. Handgun over .50 caliber, ATF probably classified it as an AOW. They classified it as a destructive device due to bore size. |
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid! 
If it is made in the USA you have to stamp or engrave the caliber. If it is made in the USA, you also have stamp or engrave city and state of manufactuer. The Curve is made in Miami. |
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid! No. Regardless of where it's made you have to have manufacturer, city, state, model number/name, serial number, and caliber marked on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver. Everything else can be on the receiver, frame, slide, or barrel. If the firearm is imported it must have the importer's name, city, and state rather than the manufacturers. Everything else is the same. In most cases the importers will reuse the original manufacturer's markings (as long as they meet the legal requirements for the US) and then add their info. |
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Stamp everything: Caliber Multi. They sort of did with my Astra 400. As long as it is either a 9mm or a .38 caliber, it will work just fine, according to the stamp. Of course, a .38 Special won't enter the chamber, and a .38 Super or a 9x23mm Winchester would most likely ka-boom on firing. But, the way many people think today, it should fire any cartridge which is desiginated either .38 or 9mm. To be fair, some people thought the same half a century ago. |
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No. Regardless of where it's made you have to have manufacturer, city, state, model number/name, serial number, and caliber marked on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver. Everything else can be on the receiver, frame, slide, or barrel. If the firearm is imported it must have the importer's name, city, and state rather than the manufacturers. Everything else is the same. In most cases the importers will reuse the original manufacturer's markings (as long as they meet the legal requirements for the US) and then add their info. Quoted:
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid! No. Regardless of where it's made you have to have manufacturer, city, state, model number/name, serial number, and caliber marked on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver. Everything else can be on the receiver, frame, slide, or barrel. If the firearm is imported it must have the importer's name, city, and state rather than the manufacturers. Everything else is the same. In most cases the importers will reuse the original manufacturer's markings (as long as they meet the legal requirements for the US) and then add their info. City and state are only for domestic firearm manufacturers I belive. Maybe the importer has to put their city and state. |
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If it is made in the USA you have to stamp or engrave the caliber. If it is made in the USA, you also have stamp or engrave city and state of manufactuer. The Curve is made in Miami. Quoted:
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid!
If it is made in the USA you have to stamp or engrave the caliber. If it is made in the USA, you also have stamp or engrave city and state of manufactuer. The Curve is made in Miami. Gotcha, the article made it seem like the barrel had to be stamped. After reading it again it sounds like the Curve didn't have the caliber marking ANYWHERE on it. I haven't seen one in the wild to check. |
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City and state are only for domestic firearms I belive. Quoted:
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid! No. Regardless of where it's made you have to have manufacturer, city, state, model number/name, serial number, and caliber marked on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver. Everything else can be on the receiver, frame, slide, or barrel. If the firearm is imported it must have the importer's name, city, and state rather than the manufacturers. Everything else is the same. In most cases the importers will reuse the original manufacturer's markings (as long as they meet the legal requirements for the US) and then add their info. City and state are only for domestic firearms I belive. Importers are required to mark their city/state as well. If the foreign manufacturer's city/country/whatever isn't present, no big deal. |
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Importers are required to mark their city/state as well. If the foreign manufacturer's city/country/whatever isn't present, no big deal. Quoted:
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid! No. Regardless of where it's made you have to have manufacturer, city, state, model number/name, serial number, and caliber marked on the firearm. The serial number must be on the receiver. Everything else can be on the receiver, frame, slide, or barrel. If the firearm is imported it must have the importer's name, city, and state rather than the manufacturers. Everything else is the same. In most cases the importers will reuse the original manufacturer's markings (as long as they meet the legal requirements for the US) and then add their info. City and state are only for domestic firearms I belive. Importers are required to mark their city/state as well. If the foreign manufacturer's city/country/whatever isn't present, no big deal. Yeah, I edited it after I thought about it for a second. |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg Yeah, big fuck up. Flare guns are usually solid orange. |
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If it is made in the USA you have to stamp or engrave the caliber. If it is made in the USA, you also have stamp or engrave city and state of manufactuer. The Curve is made in Miami. Quoted:
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid!
If it is made in the USA you have to stamp or engrave the caliber. If it is made in the USA, you also have stamp or engrave city and state of manufactuer. The Curve is made in Miami. But Miami is basically South America. |
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? It was not legal. Thanks for the insightful explanation. |
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28 Gauge smooth bore IIRC. Quoted:
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg For those of us not familiar, what is this issue? 28 Gauge smooth bore IIRC. Thank you |
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28gauge judge. That and the judge chambered for 454 casull were the only judges that I kinda liked.  Quoted:
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What in the holy fuck is that monstrosity?  28gauge judge. That and the judge chambered for 454 casull were the only judges that I kinda liked. I have the 454 judge and I wanted the 28 gauge one as well. I would still want if they AOW them. |
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Quoted: And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg New Hellboy movie? |
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I have the 454 judge and I wanted the 28 gauge one as well. I would still want if they AOW them. Quoted:
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What in the holy fuck is that monstrosity? 28gauge judge. That and the judge chambered for 454 casull were the only judges that I kinda liked. I have the 454 judge and I wanted the 28 gauge one as well. I would still want if they AOW them. Make them in the US so they could sell them here and it might be profitable. If nothing else it'd be worth it to see people's heads explode when it was released.
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Quoted: That's a stupid law to protect stupid people. I think they should revoke it. Since stupid people have the right to buy guns they have to have stupid laws to protect them. On the flip side maybe there should be a law that stupid people shouldn't buy guns then we wouldn't stupid laws to protect the stupid. |
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Another one of their recalls.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/26/brazilian-police-recall-98000-taurus-247-ds-pistols/ Is it bad that I laughed my ass off at that??? 
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Call me special, but I would have bought one if they were legal. Quoted:
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg Call me special, but I would have bought one if they were legal. A shotgun, according to atf, is a weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder. That's no shotgun, but atf just makes shit up as they go along. |
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Quoted: And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg  |
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Quoted: Another one of their recalls. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/26/brazilian-police-recall-98000-taurus-247-ds-pistols/  https://youtu.be/C9_YWNo1f-oQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FATF & FBHO I don't know how Taurus could have overlooked this simple requirement. Notwithstanding AFT rules, there's a liability factor I'd consider as the main reason why I'd want to stamp a barrel with its caliber. The same way they overlook making guns that don't suck and break. Horrible company is horrible. Another one of their recalls. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/26/brazilian-police-recall-98000-taurus-247-ds-pistols/ https://youtu.be/C9_YWNo1f-o |
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12 gauge revolver?
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And then there was this SNAFU. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/img_5032-tm-tfb1.jpg
28 gauge. 
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So let me get this straight.... If it's made in the USA you don't have to stamp the barrel. BUT if it's made elsewhere and then imported into the USA then the barrel has to be stamped? Stupid gun laws are stupid! No. They will not let you get it straight, as then you can comply. If you comply, they are unnecessary. More laws, more tangles, thats what they want. |