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4/10/2015 12:09:47 AM EDT
So i just bought a new house and was checking out the fireplace when I realized  unfamiliar with this type. Its gas, but there seems to be no pilot light or valve assembly. As soon as you turn on the gas key to the left of the fireplace you can hear gas coming out of the burners inside the fireplace. So do you just lighr this by hand and control the flame height with the gas valve?


4/10/2015 12:12:25 AM EDT
[#1]
We don't have that many fireplaces down here so I'm no expert. But I say light that bitch up. What's the worst that can happen?
4/10/2015 12:13:18 AM EDT
[#2]
Your assumption is probably correct..
4/10/2015 12:16:48 AM EDT
[#3]
I was there today checking it out with the home inspector, we won't be moving in for a few more weeks so I was hesitant to mess with it too much. I'm also going to look into getting the top two rows of brick on the mantle removed so I have more room for my TV. Not sure how involved that is yet.
4/10/2015 12:35:45 AM EDT
[#4]
Very common type in Kansas City. Your correct. Turn key and light using a grill lighter. Start by just turning it a little bit to get the gas flowing and then light it. Crank the gas key up to adjust the height of the flame. Always make sure the flue or whatever is open first lol


ETA- some new ones have a push button electronic starter like on some gas grills.
4/10/2015 12:40:13 AM EDT
[#5]
Appears to be the dickfer model.
4/10/2015 12:41:10 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mount the TV above the fireplace. The heat can possibly damage the TV. You also might not have to remove the brick if you choose to put a TV up there.

They make adjustable TV wall mounts that can be angled side to side. Those TV mounts usually have the TV sitting off the wall by about 4-5 inches anyway. The brick mantle might just tuck behind the TV with no problem.
4/10/2015 12:54:38 AM EDT
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I wouldn't mount the TV above the fireplace. The heat can possibly damage the TV. You also might not have to remove the brick if you choose to put a TV up there.

They make adjustable TV wall mounts that can be angled side to side. Those TV mounts usually have the TV sitting off the wall by about 4-5 inches anyway. The brick mantle might just tuck behind the TV with no problem.
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I've been thinking about the heat. We would probably run the fireplace just a couple times a year for decor like on Christmas. I figure if I pulled off two rows of brick then extended outward a little with a wood mantle it would help keep the heat from going straight up at the TV.

I'd told the wife that the TV would probably just sit over the brick but she didn't like the idea. It would be far cheaper to do it that way also. Right now our TV is a 46". I'd like to get a new tv around 60-65" though which could be more difficult to get up there and look right that close to the ceiling.
4/10/2015 1:00:10 AM EDT
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Very common type in Kansas City. Your correct. Turn key and light using a grill lighter. Start by just turning it a little bit to get the gas flowing and then light it. Crank the gas key up to adjust the height of the flame. Always make sure the flue or whatever is open first lol


ETA- some new ones have a push button electronic starter like on some gas grills.
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Awesome. I was hoping it would be something simple like that. My current fireplace turns on by  wall switch and has a pilot light and sensors and valves etc so I just wasn't sure. Thanks for the info.
4/10/2015 6:06:49 AM EDT
[#9]
In South Florida our fireplaces plug into a 120v outlet...
4/10/2015 6:17:55 AM EDT
[#10]
I had one in NC that looked the same.  There's a pilot that has has a thermo sensor. You turn on the gas with the key and then light the pilot, ensuring the the thermo sensor is warm. Gas flows and it's essentially a bbq grill flame on high.

Mine was in a real fireplace and we lost much more heat that we gained up the chimney.  After a year of that nonsense I ripped that shit out and put in a fireplace insert with blowers. That mamma jamma heated the entire house through the winter on about 4 cords of good hardwood.

EDIT: there's a pilot and a sensor in there some where. It's code and the sensor is there to shut the gas off in case the flame goes out. If you can't find it you should have a pro come check it out.
4/10/2015 6:21:28 AM EDT
[#11]
Open the flue and light it with a long reach lighter. Adjust the flame height by opening and closing the gas valve.  The older basic models don't have a pilot.
4/10/2015 6:22:42 AM EDT
[#12]
I had the same type before I moved here, like others have said just crack the gas valve open and light with a long lighter.
Don't get your hand down in there, might get some hair removed.
4/10/2015 6:28:59 AM EDT
[#13]
That panel underneath it swings down. In it is the is ignitor. Then again, looking at the picture, it doesn't look like it moves. Friggin' California model.
4/10/2015 6:31:14 AM EDT
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That is how my fireplace works.  I have my TV mounted above it.  But, being in Atlanta, I only light it a couple of times a year and keep the flames low, put on some Barry White music, dim the lights and ………
4/10/2015 6:33:04 AM EDT
[#15]
Buy some of these if you want to class it up a little.
4/10/2015 6:37:19 AM EDT
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Older non thermocouple non gas valve type. Will pretty much work no matter what, lighting them takes a bit of care.
4/10/2015 6:45:36 AM EDT
[#17]
Hell, I've run into some that were nothing more than 1/2" black iron pipe with holes drilled in it.

I think it was used more as a starter fod wood though.
4/10/2015 6:47:16 AM EDT
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it is called a loglighter
4/10/2015 6:49:33 AM EDT
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It works by pouring dollar bills into it.

I had an old gas one in a rental years ago, used it a few times and then got the gas bill which was 600 bucks. We put a TV in front of it after that.
4/10/2015 6:54:09 AM EDT
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I was there today checking it out with the home inspector, we won't be moving in for a few more weeks so I was hesitant to mess with it too much. I'm also going to look into getting the top two rows of brick on the mantle removed so I have more room for my TV. Not sure how involved that is yet.
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You may want to check out the matches with long handles.  IIRC they're great for stoves & fireplaces.



And ... why do people love putting TVs above fireplaces - especially fireplaces they intend to use?
4/10/2015 6:56:58 AM EDT
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I've been thinking about the heat. We would probably run the fireplace just a couple times a year for decor like on Christmas. I figure if I pulled off two rows of brick then extended outward a little with a wood mantle it would help keep the heat from going straight up at the TV.



I'd told the wife that the TV would probably just sit over the brick but she didn't like the idea. It would be far cheaper to do it that way also. Right now our TV is a 46". I'd like to get a new tv around 60-65" though which could be more difficult to get up there and look right that close to the ceiling.
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I wouldn't mount the TV above the fireplace. The heat can possibly damage the TV. You also might not have to remove the brick if you choose to put a TV up there.



They make adjustable TV wall mounts that can be angled side to side. Those TV mounts usually have the TV sitting off the wall by about 4-5 inches anyway. The brick mantle might just tuck behind the TV with no problem.


I've been thinking about the heat. We would probably run the fireplace just a couple times a year for decor like on Christmas. I figure if I pulled off two rows of brick then extended outward a little with a wood mantle it would help keep the heat from going straight up at the TV.



I'd told the wife that the TV would probably just sit over the brick but she didn't like the idea. It would be far cheaper to do it that way also. Right now our TV is a 46". I'd like to get a new tv around 60-65" though which could be more difficult to get up there and look right that close to the ceiling.


I have a similar configuration, and put a mantle up about 18in over the fireplace.  We light it up a few times per year.  Works great.  

I was thinking about building a nice hardwood mantle myself.  Then I found some guy making/selling them for about $150 on Ebay.  The materials alone would have cost me about half that.  





 
4/10/2015 7:04:17 AM EDT
[#22]
That looks like a prefab fireplace with a set of vented gas logs installed in it

The burner was I stslked where the log lighter was

There are no safety mechanisms or pilot

The door at the bottom does not swing out

You just turn in the gas and light after opening the flue

The flue needs to be completely open

Somewhere on the black part of the fireplace will be a metal info tag riveted on

It will have the year if manufacturer, make and model

You should be able to google up an owners manual

In the manual it will give the mantle specifics as far as how far out it can project based upon how far away from the top of the opening it is

You should also be able to get a small hood that fits over the top of the opening to decrease the requirement
4/10/2015 7:10:51 AM EDT
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It's a match light
There are too many fake logs in there
Its going to soot up if you run it much
It burns about 60k BTU's
If you forget to open the flue and run it you will take a long nap, make sure there's not a board on top of the chimney
Run it once in while, if the wall valve dries up and leaks there is no isolation valve, so your meter will have to be shut off to stop it.
4/10/2015 9:33:08 AM EDT
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There is a gas tube under the fake logs. Turn the gas on a little and light it with a long match. The gas key regulates the amount of fire.
4/10/2015 9:37:59 AM EDT
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Don't but your tv above the fireplace, other than looking dumb, what are you going to do with your devices, power, etc?
4/10/2015 9:47:06 AM EDT
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Very common type in Kansas City. Your correct. Turn key and light using a grill lighter. Start by just turning it a little bit to get the gas flowing and then light it. Crank the gas key up to adjust the height of the flame. Always make sure the flue or whatever is open first lol


ETA- some new ones have a push button electronic starter like on some gas grills.
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This is correct.
I would also make sure the knockout hole where the gas line comes thru the fireplace wall is sealed and there is not a gap where an ember could get thru there. It should have been sealed by the installer but sometimes they miss it. Hard to tell in the photo.
4/10/2015 10:58:26 AM EDT
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Putting the TV over the fireplace isn't my first choice, but due to the layout of the room I'm very limited on where it can go. Either above the fireplace or to the left at an angle in the corner. I think that looks a lot worse.

So it sounds like this fireplace while not unusual and fairly simple to use, could also be a deathtrap. For the record the house was built in '88