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3/26/2015 12:05:38 AM EDT
Thought arfcom would like this. This is the inside of the Shooters Arms Manufacturing company in Cebu Philippines. They manufacture 1911s for several different companies inside the US.  I believe the Titan is the 1911 they make for the US arms market.

56k beware - Don't click the photos (There's two pages of photos, too many to upload here).

http://knowledgeglue.com/guns-made-inside-filipino-gun-factory/
3/26/2015 12:09:13 AM EDT
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Haas int he Philippines?

interesting
3/26/2015 12:18:07 AM EDT
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geeze, reminiscent of those Paki gun shops
3/26/2015 12:19:36 AM EDT
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Is that Rock Island Armory?
3/26/2015 12:20:16 AM EDT
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My thought as well.
3/26/2015 1:27:38 AM EDT
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that some of the best firearms made in the usa are made in shops that don't look too much different than that in certain ways.

their spaces are smaller, darker, and dustier, but the parts only give a shit about the materials, geometry, and surfaces when finished...
3/26/2015 1:29:32 AM EDT
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My thought as well.


I figured they'd have japanese machines, being closer and all. HAAS is like the mac of CNC.
3/26/2015 1:50:15 AM EDT
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It almost looks like Oly's factory.  
3/26/2015 1:58:22 AM EDT
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May not look like much but they can build a 1911, a nice budget one anyway. Thanks for posting those were cool pics.
3/26/2015 2:00:41 AM EDT
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Armscor makes the Rock Island Armory guns. I have one of their GI models in 9mm and it runs like a top. I couldn't be happier with it. Now Aimless' revolver, that's another story.
3/26/2015 2:18:18 AM EDT
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Pretty much looks like some US shops I have been in maybe slightly dirtier but they aren't making parts for MRI scanners
3/26/2015 2:28:40 AM EDT
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damn right cool...I so want to just go right out and buy a .45.

Makes me proud to be half Filipino
3/26/2015 3:18:30 AM EDT
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they load on a Dillon 1050

3/26/2015 4:08:30 AM EDT
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Looks slightly more modern than when I lived there, cool.
3/26/2015 5:36:56 AM EDT
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We used to use a steel detailer out of the Philippines. Excellent quality, quick turn around, and good pricing.

One time when it flooded heavily, they sent us a photo of them still sitting in a foot of water at their computers, chain smoking and working away...
3/26/2015 6:59:05 AM EDT
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Looks better than a lot of the machine shops I've been to.


3/26/2015 7:10:28 AM EDT
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Seriously?

Are there still dial up arfcommers?
3/26/2015 7:11:40 AM EDT
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I have a Metroarms American Classic Commander 1911. It's a beautifully built pistol for the price and performs flawlessly. I have read that some of the best 1911's come out of the Philippines.
3/26/2015 7:11:47 AM EDT
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That was cool.......thanks for posting OP!
3/26/2015 7:14:41 AM EDT
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Armscor, RIA and ATI guns are all made in that S.A.M. factory. Different brands, slightly different models, same machines, same workers, same building.
3/26/2015 7:16:23 AM EDT
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May not look like much but they can build a 1911, a nice budget one anyway. Thanks for posting those were cool pics.
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I have one and i love it, slide and trigger are pretty damn good for a stock 1911 that cost about $400
3/26/2015 7:38:21 AM EDT
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That was cool.
3/26/2015 7:46:09 AM EDT
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Armscor makes the Rock Island Armory guns. I have one of their GI models in 9mm and it runs like a top. I couldn't be happier with it. Now Aimless' revolver, that's another story.


Armscor, RIA and ATI guns are all made in that S.A.M. factory. Different brands, slightly different models, same machines, same workers, same building.


Giving you the benefit of the doubt, when did this happen? When I was there Armscor, SAM, and Metro weren't even building stuff in the same city let alone shop.
3/26/2015 7:52:25 AM EDT
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Very interesting, thanks for posting.
3/26/2015 7:57:39 AM EDT
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Armscor makes the Rock Island Armory guns. I have one of their GI models in 9mm and it runs like a top. I couldn't be happier with it. Now Aimless' revolver, that's another story.


Armscor, RIA and ATI guns are all made in that S.A.M. factory. Different brands, slightly different models, same machines, same workers, same building.


No.  Armscor, SAM, and Metro Arms all have different facilities.

ATI I think are made by SAM.
3/26/2015 8:03:39 AM EDT
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Does anyone here actually have 56k?
3/26/2015 8:06:12 AM EDT
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I wish!  Shitty phone lines around here only connect at 28.8.
3/26/2015 8:11:33 AM EDT
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that some of the best firearms made in the usa are made in shops that don't look too much different than that in certain ways.

their spaces are smaller, darker, and dustier, but the parts only give a shit about the materials, geometry, and surfaces when finished...
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that some of the best firearms made in the usa are made in shops that don't look too much different than that in certain ways.

their spaces are smaller, darker, and dustier, but the parts only give a shit about the materials, geometry, and surfaces when finished...


Seriously, physically go to Novak's over in Parkersburg, WV. They do REALLY good pistol work, and their shop is more or less built into the back of an old house. It feels weird walking in the first time you go there. There's a dirt floor shop just north of me that does precision work for GE, among other companies, and on mostly manual machinery, to boot.
3/26/2015 8:17:13 AM EDT
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Les Baer is going to lose market share.
3/26/2015 8:58:12 AM EDT
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No.  Armscor, SAM, and Metro Arms all have different facilities.

ATI I think are made by SAM.
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Armscor makes the Rock Island Armory guns. I have one of their GI models in 9mm and it runs like a top. I couldn't be happier with it. Now Aimless' revolver, that's another story.


Armscor, RIA and ATI guns are all made in that S.A.M. factory. Different brands, slightly different models, same machines, same workers, same building.


No.  Armscor, SAM, and Metro Arms all have different facilities.

ATI I think are made by SAM.


ATI contracts various companies, SAM is their PH factory, they also have several factories in Turkey as well.
3/26/2015 9:03:48 AM EDT
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My BIL had a RI 1911 in 45 and ran great until he put a pro-mag magazine in it. factory mags and it worked flawlessly. Then he bought an armsor 38 revolver. I don't know how well it shoots, but the trigger pull was at least into the double digits. It was a bit ridiculous.
3/26/2015 9:05:13 AM EDT
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Damn...




I remember those dark times.
3/26/2015 9:13:05 AM EDT
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Here is a video from SAM showing them make the guns with some decent cinematography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLlrcpXTntE
3/26/2015 11:26:59 AM EDT
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Very cool, i'll add that to the article.
3/26/2015 11:34:51 AM EDT
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that some of the best firearms made in the usa are made in shops that don't look too much different than that in certain ways.

their spaces are smaller, darker, and dustier, but the parts only give a shit about the materials, geometry, and surfaces when finished...
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I'll bet dollars to donuts that some of the best firearms made in the usa are made in shops that don't look too much different than that in certain ways.

their spaces are smaller, darker, and dustier, but the parts only give a shit about the materials, geometry, and surfaces when finished...


Yep. You're only as good as your materials and machining.
3/26/2015 11:38:33 AM EDT
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Man, how hard would it be to contract an arfcom gun from some jungle shop there?  Like a .45 ACP Mauser Broomhandle that uses M3 or Thompson mags?
3/26/2015 11:42:34 AM EDT
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Cool article.
3/26/2015 3:07:25 PM EDT
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How many units can you guarantee?
3/26/2015 3:21:21 PM EDT
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Somewhere an OSHA inspector has started sobbing uncontrollably, and she doesn't know why.
3/26/2015 3:24:51 PM EDT
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Interesting.  Couple of pics on horizontal mill.  Like old days.
3/26/2015 6:06:03 PM EDT
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I have a little brass pocket derringer made by them. Cool :)
3/26/2015 6:17:13 PM EDT
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Why not Glock mags?
3/26/2015 6:22:46 PM EDT
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us territory. and used haas are friggin cheap
3/26/2015 6:25:16 PM EDT
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With The Postal Service playing too!

So where do you buy one of these .45s? CDNN?
3/26/2015 6:33:56 PM EDT
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Say what you will about the factory but my ATI GI Commander made by SAM shoots great.  I only run CMC shooting Stars and its reliable enough to be my EDC.  The factory mag is made in Italy and has run ok, I just trust CMC a tad more.
3/26/2015 6:46:31 PM EDT
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I've worked in shadier machine shops than that.

I have an ATI 1911 made there that I got for <$300 new last year.  The slide, barrel, etc, were fine, and the grips weren't the pallet wood abortions my friend's Rock Island had.

Having said that, sear was a bit soft so it started dropping the hammer and then occasionally going full auto after 150 rounds.

I've shot full auto pistols (Glock 18 and Skorpion) and enjoyed them.  I did not enjoy the sudden 1911 in FA at all.

It was less hassle to throw a $15 sear, and $8 sear spring in it than to mail to to ATI.  That seems to have cured it.
3/26/2015 6:56:14 PM EDT
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They make all "Iver Johnson" 1911s, "Century" brand  and all ATI 1911s that are not .22
I have the military model it is just about a perfect G1 A1.

All are sold through Bud's even the tacky Iver Johnson colored guns

3/26/2015 6:58:30 PM EDT
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I've interviewed in more than one shop around here that was darker and dustier than that. I was expecting something much worse.
3/26/2015 6:59:14 PM EDT
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Can locals buy those guns, or are they for export only?






Just curious.
3/26/2015 7:02:30 PM EDT
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Aside of the CNC mill.
3/26/2015 7:08:53 PM EDT
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They are just little brown Americans!!!

The only country in the world that loves 1911's as much as we do also!
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