Posted: 3/17/2015 9:33:23 PM EDT
I have a 400 year old Geneva Bible page that I would like to display (you may have seen my thread) but I have no way to display it. I want to be able to see both sides so I'm thinking about a float frame, but I can't find any that aren't some post modern solid black monstrosity. I would like something made of wood, fairly wide and with carvings. I want a dark brown finish, not black. .
Ideally this would hang on a wall, but I want the other side visible so that if I take it down I can see it without opening the frame, if the frame was "reversible" (decorated on both sides) that would be even better. If I have to I will settle for a table top frame. This is a 400 year old Bible page, not a modern art "masterpiece" I want it to look nice. I'll probably add a small museum style brass plaque to the frame later. Has anyone seen a frame like that anywhere? Preferably on line? Measurements of the page are about 6.5" x 8.25." |
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They had exactly one woodworker listed close to me, and the guy charges $3,000 for ugly lamp tables, and $5000+ for a coffe table, I don't think he will be building a frame for anything close to a sane price. No, I will not pay $2,000 for a piece of crown molding and 2 pieces of Plexiglas. 
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They had exactly one woodworker listed close to me, and the guy charges $3,000 for ugly lamp tables, and $5000+ for a coffe table, I don't think he will be building a frame for anything close to a sane price. No, I will not pay $2,000 for a piece of crown molding and 2 pieces of Plexiglas. Quoted:
They had exactly one woodworker listed close to me, and the guy charges $3,000 for ugly lamp tables, and $5000+ for a coffe table, I don't think he will be building a frame for anything close to a sane price. No, I will not pay $2,000 for a piece of crown molding and 2 pieces of Plexiglas. If you don't have it made from the correct glass you will have a UV faded book in short order. What you want will cost to have it done right and if you don't have it done right, it would be better to put it back where you've been keeping it. |
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Thanks, but that is the style I am trying to avoid. I do NOT want a modern art abomination a "contemporary" design, or black. Think about it, would a 400 year old antique from the Late Middle ages/Renaissance that was around when Shakespeare was writing his plays, that was around when Jamestown was founded and the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, and was already an antique when Salem had its Witch Trials look appropriate displayed in that? |
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If you don't have it made from the correct glass you will have a UV faded book in short order. What you want will cost to have it done right and if you don't have it done right, it would be better to put it back where you've been keeping it. Quoted:
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They had exactly one woodworker listed close to me, and the guy charges $3,000 for ugly lamp tables, and $5000+ for a coffe table, I don't think he will be building a frame for anything close to a sane price. No, I will not pay $2,000 for a piece of crown molding and 2 pieces of Plexiglas. If you don't have it made from the correct glass you will have a UV faded book in short order. What you want will cost to have it done right and if you don't have it done right, it would be better to put it back where you've been keeping it. http://www.eplastics.com/1-8-x-24-x-48-Clear-OP3-P99-Non-Glare One sheet of that is enough to make a dozen frames with some left over. So no, I'm still not paying $2000 for a piece of crown molding and some plexiglas. |
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Thanks, but that is the style I am trying to avoid. I do NOT want a modern art abomination a "contemporary" design, or black. Think about it, would a 400 year old antique from the Late Middle ages/Renaissance that was around when Shakespeare was writing his plays, that was around when Jamestown was founded and the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, and was already an antique when Salem had its Witch Trials look appropriate displayed in that? Quoted:
Thanks, but that is the style I am trying to avoid. I do NOT want a modern art abomination a "contemporary" design, or black. Think about it, would a 400 year old antique from the Late Middle ages/Renaissance that was around when Shakespeare was writing his plays, that was around when Jamestown was founded and the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, and was already an antique when Salem had its Witch Trials look appropriate displayed in that? So, what do you want? |
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Maybe something like this?
http://www.framersworkshop.com/Examples/DoubleSidedFrame.html |
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Do you want something free standing, or mounted to a wall that swings out so people can look at the other side? Swing out would be cool, but I think a standard wall hanger will work, I can just take it down to see the other side. The idea of the float frame is mainly to keep both sides visible without having to open the frame in order to protect the page. |
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So, what do you want? Quoted:
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Thanks, but that is the style I am trying to avoid. I do NOT want a modern art abomination a "contemporary" design, or black. Think about it, would a 400 year old antique from the Late Middle ages/Renaissance that was around when Shakespeare was writing his plays, that was around when Jamestown was founded and the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, and was already an antique when Salem had its Witch Trials look appropriate displayed in that? So, what do you want? Wood, something brown and preferably with some carvings. Basically just something that looks like its supposed to be holding something that old. |
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I'm majorly impressed you found that, and it is very close to what I want but that site is basically unusable. I could not find any prices, or a means to order, or any shipping information, they appear to be storefront only for the most part, and California is decidedly to far to drive. |
| You'll be stressing the book if it's displayed upright. Most museums have the book displayed open. There are supports for both front & back covers to prevent straining the threads/glue. Additionally, most museums use a non-acidic plastic strip to keep it open on both sides of the book. The vitrine itself is rated against UV that could age and damage the book. |
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I'm majorly impressed you found that, and it is very close to what I want but that site is basically unusable. I could not find any prices, or a means to order, or any shipping information, they appear to be storefront only for the most part, and California is decidedly to far to drive. Quoted:
I'm majorly impressed you found that, and it is very close to what I want but that site is basically unusable. I could not find any prices, or a means to order, or any shipping information, they appear to be storefront only for the most part, and California is decidedly to far to drive. Might give them a call. I bet they'll work with you, get you exactly what you want. If not, there are thousands of customer framers that will. I did a google search for "custom picture frame michigan" and got a dozen good hits. |
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You'll be stressing the book if it's displayed upright. Most museums have the book displayed open. There are supports for both front & back covers to prevent straining the threads/glue. Additionally, most museums use a non-acidic plastic strip to keep it open on both sides of the book. The vitrine itself is rated against UV that could age and damage the book. It's not a whole book, it's just a loose page. Here is a link to the previous thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1724100_.html |
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It's not a whole book, it's just a loose page. Here is a link to the previous thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1724100_.html Quoted:
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You'll be stressing the book if it's displayed upright. Most museums have the book displayed open. There are supports for both front & back covers to prevent straining the threads/glue. Additionally, most museums use a non-acidic plastic strip to keep it open on both sides of the book. The vitrine itself is rated against UV that could age and damage the book. It's not a whole book, it's just a loose page. Here is a link to the previous thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1724100_.html I WISH it were the whole book, that would be incredibly awesome, but sadly I do not have the $20,000-$30,000 MINIMUM that would take. 
A page is affordable though and is still a historically significant antique, and still deserves a nice frame. If it WERE a whole book, the method described is precisely how it would be displayed except I would probably also add desiccant somehow and an airtight seal with a nitrogen/argon fill. |
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This is getting ridiculous.
I have checked some of the local custom makers. Most won't even return my emails, and the only ones I have gotten through to want insane amounts of money. I want a PICTURE FRAME with a Plexiglas backing, that's it. I should not have to spend a MINIMUM of $80-$150 for that, not when a normal frame would be all of $15 at Walmart, nor will I "settle" for the pre made float frames I'm finding online that are clearly designed for the interior decorating habits of yuppies and hipsters. No a thin metal stand/ bare plastic with big shiny metal studs is not appropriate nor is some ridiculous otherwise decent wooden frame painted solid black. I want a normal looking brown wooden picture frame with a sheet of Plexiglas in the back instead of cardboard, that's all I fucking want, how the hell is it this damned hard to find? Hell I will even settle for non UV filtered Plexiglas at this point, I can always replace that later, it's really just the damned frame I need. My searches online have yielded nothing but normal frames from sellers who's sites search features have no concept that a float frame is different from a standard frame, and that if I specifically am searching for float frames I should not get dozens and dozens of hits for standard frames and not a single float frame. What few searches DO return actual results just give me the afor mentioned modern art crap "contemporary style" frames, or nice wooden frames intended for CANVAS, I do not have a painting, I have a fucking piece of paper. I want to sheets of fucking Plexiglas and a wooden frame, that is all; why is that so fucking much to ask for? I'm about to just go to Home Depot and buy a damned router and a miter box just for this fucking project because inexplicably no one seems to make something so god damned simple, at least at a non crack smoking price. I guess if you want something done right you have to do it your damned self. I really would rather not buy woodworking tools I will only use once though, but I am fed the fuck up. Is there ANY alternative? Contrary to popular belief a 400 year old antique Geneva Bible page is NOT actually expensive, and while I paid more for a hand select, one can be had for as little as $28, so I will NOT spend much more than that on the frame. I bought it because it is neat to have something that old,it has a very cool history, it's a powerful passage, it makes for a good conversation piece, and I think it will look nice on the wall, not because I thought it would make a good investment piece. |
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This is getting ridiculous. I have checked some of the local custom makers. Most won't even return my emails, and the only ones I have gotten through to want insane amounts of money. I want a PICTURE FRAME with a Plexiglas backing, that's it. I should not have to spend a MINIMUM of $80-$150 for that, not when a normal frame would be all of $15 at Walmart, nor will I "settle" for the pre made float frames I'm finding online that are clearly designed for the interior decorating habits of yuppies and hipsters. No a thin metal stand/big shiny metal studs is not appropriate nor is some ridiculous otherwise decent wooden frame pained solid black. I want a normal looking brown wooden picture frame with a sheet of Plexiglas in the back instead of cardboard, that's all I fucking want, how the hell is it this damned hard to find? Hell I will even settle for non UV filtered Plexiglas at this point, I can always replace that later, it's really just the damned frame I need. My searches online have yielded nothing but normal frames from sellers who's sites search features have no concept that a float frame is different from a standard frame, and that if I specifically am searching for float frames I should not get dozens and dozens of hits for standard frames and not a single float frame. What few searches DO return actual results just give me the afor mentioned modern art crap "contemporary style" frames, or nice wooden frames intended for CANVAS, I do not have a painting, I have a fucking piece of paper. I want to sheets of fucking Plexiglas and a wooden frame, that is all; why is that so fucking much to ask for? I'm about to just go to Home Depot and buy a damned router and a miter box just for this fucking project because inexplicably no one seems to make something so god damned simple, at least at a non crack smoking price. I guess if you want something done right you have to do it your damned self. I really would rather not buy woodworking tools I will only use once though, but I am fed the fuck up. Is there ANY alternative? Contrary to popular belief a 400 year old antique Geneva Bible page is NOT actually expensive, and while I paid more for a hand select, one can be had for as little as $28, so I will NOT spend much more than that on the frame. I bought it because it is neat to have something that old,it has a very cool history, it's a powerful passage, it makes for a good conversation piece, and I think it will look nice on the wall, not because I thought it would make a good investment piece. Serious advice: Call the local high school. See if they have a wood shop or art class willing to make you one. Shit, there is an art teacher on Arfcom that gets his students to make cool shit. You should find his threads and see if they can make you one. |