[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Voting competency test? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/16/2015 12:09:19 PM EDT
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You have to pass a basic American history test to vote.
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Who writes the test? Who administers the test? Who decides what is passing or failing? Who decides when and how changes are made?
You know it would start out simple and basic and then morph into something where only the elite would get to vote, because everyone else (including you) are just "to stupid" to know what is good for you. Terrible fucking idea. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PASS A TEST, GET A LICENSE OR ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXERCISE A RIGHT!! |
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I believe that anyone, including the dead, the illegal, the felon, cartoon characters, people not even living in this country, and even sentient beings from the stars should be able to have a voice in our elections!
ETA: and since dogs and dolphins demonstrate some intelligence we should include them too! This is all sarcasm in case your meter is broken btw. |
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Quoted: I believe that anyone, including the dead, the illegal, the felon, cartoon characters, people not even living in this country, and even sentient beings from the stars should be able to have a voice in our elections! ETA: and since dogs and dolphins demonstrate some intelligence we should include them too! This is all sarcasm in case your meter is broken btw. |
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I've been calling for awhile now for the end of birthright citizenship.
I don't care where you happened to fall out of a vagina, everyone takes the naturalization test at 18. If you can't pass, you can be a resident, but not a citizen. Competency tests for voting is a good idea, but racists democrats fucked it up for everybody. 
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Who writes the test? Who administers the test? Who decides what is passing or failing? Who decides when and how changes are made? You know it would start out simple and basic and then morph into something where only the elite would get to vote, because everyone else (including you) are just "to stupid" to know what is good for you. Terrible fucking idea. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PASS A TEST, GET A LICENSE OR ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXERCISE A RIGHT!! I make the test. 
1- Name of the first president 2- what rights do the 1st and 2nd amendments protect 3- are we a republic or democracy? 4- what branch of government makes laws? 5- how many stripes on the American flag? If you can't answer those questions your vote doesn't count. And the questions NEVER change. The poll worker with a answer sheet either lets you vote or not and they have 2 supervisors to check any test discrepancies. |
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Who writes the test? Who administers the test? Who decides what is passing or failing? Who decides when and how changes are made? You know it would start out simple and basic and then morph into something where only the elite would get to vote, because everyone else (including you) are just "to stupid" to know what is good for you. Terrible fucking idea. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PASS A TEST, GET A LICENSE OR ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXERCISE A RIGHT!! Well, according to the Founders you could put conditions on voting so.... |
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If we could clean all those votes out of the elections I would not be surprised if quite a few outcomes were different. Quoted:
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I believe that anyone, including the dead, the illegal, the felon, cartoon characters, people not even living in this country, and even sentient beings from the stars should be able to have a voice in our elections! ETA: and since dogs and dolphins demonstrate some intelligence we should include them too! This is all sarcasm in case your meter is broken btw. Well with 51% or more on the dole, I'd wager that cleaning out the fraud and rampant cheating won't really matter. Wen you factor in the upper echelon of the GOP/RNC are hell bent on making .gov bigger anyway, "What difference does it make." |
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I make the test.
1- Name of the first president 2- what rights do the 1st and 2nd amendments protect 3- are we a republic or democracy? 4- what branch of government makes laws? 5- how many stripes on the American flag? If you can't answer those questions your vote doesn't count. And the questions NEVER change. The poll worker with a answer sheet either lets you vote or not and they have 2 supervisors to check any test discrepancies. Quoted:
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Who writes the test? Who administers the test? Who decides what is passing or failing? Who decides when and how changes are made? You know it would start out simple and basic and then morph into something where only the elite would get to vote, because everyone else (including you) are just "to stupid" to know what is good for you. Terrible fucking idea. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PASS A TEST, GET A LICENSE OR ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXERCISE A RIGHT!! I make the test.
1- Name of the first president 2- what rights do the 1st and 2nd amendments protect 3- are we a republic or democracy? 4- what branch of government makes laws? 5- how many stripes on the American flag? If you can't answer those questions your vote doesn't count. And the questions NEVER change. The poll worker with a answer sheet either lets you vote or not and they have 2 supervisors to check any test discrepancies. So the democrats who know their constituents are too fucking stupid to breath will print off answer sheets to distrubute. The Republicans will assume their voters can pass and will do nothing. I don't see that working well for the latter. |
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So the democrats who know their constituents are too fucking stupid to breath will print off answer sheets to distrubute. The Republicans will assume their voters can pass and will do nothing. I don't see that working well for the latter. Quoted:
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Who writes the test? Who administers the test? Who decides what is passing or failing? Who decides when and how changes are made? You know it would start out simple and basic and then morph into something where only the elite would get to vote, because everyone else (including you) are just "to stupid" to know what is good for you. Terrible fucking idea. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PASS A TEST, GET A LICENSE OR ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXERCISE A RIGHT!! I make the test.
1- Name of the first president 2- what rights do the 1st and 2nd amendments protect 3- are we a republic or democracy? 4- what branch of government makes laws? 5- how many stripes on the American flag? If you can't answer those questions your vote doesn't count. And the questions NEVER change. The poll worker with a answer sheet either lets you vote or not and they have 2 supervisors to check any test discrepancies. So the democrats who know their constituents are too fucking stupid to breath will print off answer sheets to distrubute. The Republicans will assume their voters can pass and will do nothing. I don't see that working well for the latter. No cheating damn it!!! |
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As stated above, who is going to write the test? Some unionized democrat-voting government stooge? Quoted:
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You have to pass a basic American history test to vote. Good idea? As stated above, who is going to write the test? Some unionized democrat-voting government stooge? Why not, we let them "program" the voting machines. We should at least be consistent. |
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Honestly, I'd be happy with a PSA that encourages fewer people to vote. We've been doing it wrong for years, with "get out the vote" drives.
No need for a stupid test - just a well funded campaign with a message of "Don't bother". I want fewer voters, not more. 
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent...
On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... |
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you should need to pass a written test, a practical test, and pay for a license. If you vote without a license it should be a felony. The license would expire yearly and be a royal PITA to get... the office would be open 9am-2pm thursdays and tuesdays only, and take 90 days to arrive in the mail, but you cannot apply until within 30 days of expiration. You would need to present the voter license to purchase or obtain any voting pamphlets, or watch policital ads.
Same for free speech. and for freedom from unreasonable searches license.. dont forget your 5th amendment rights license, you dont want to be caught without that! |
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Define welfare. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for medicaid, for example. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for section 8 housing allowances. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for...(you get the idea). |
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It was done before to exclude blacks from voting.
I think on certain issues, like taxes which landowners will have to pay, only landowners should be allowed to vote for it. Why should renters vote for taxes that can't be passed onto them (think rent control areas)? |
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Define welfare. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for medicaid, for example. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for section 8 housing allowances. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for...(you get the idea). Quoted:
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Define welfare. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for medicaid, for example. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for section 8 housing allowances. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for...(you get the idea). I don't know, I the tax code is what, 2 feet thick...doubt I can come up with an effective system on the spot, but the point is, however you define it, if you don't pay into the system, you should have no say in the system.... I do mean pay, as in after all is said and done, you have a net positive cash flow to the government, not a case where you pay in, but after all your credits, you actually get back more than you but it...or break even. |
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I've been calling for awhile now for the end of birthright citizenship. I don't care where you happened to fall out of a vagina, everyone takes the naturalization test at 18. If you can't pass, you can be a resident, but not a citizen. This times 10,000. |
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. |
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Quoted: How about just be legal to vote under the current system. Now for the test idea - when are people going to understand once you give someone any authority like that it can be manipulated anyway desired. Just stop with this line of questions - please. No tests for a LTCH, for NFA: no NFA, (the 2nd Amendment is all the license anyone needs) |
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Good idea, especially given the following:
IG Audit: 6.5 Million Active Social Security Numbers of People 112 or Older "We obtained Numident data that identified approximately 6.5 million numberholders born before June 16, 1901 who did not have a date of death on their record," the report states. Some of the numbers assigned to long-dead people were used fraudulently to open bank accounts. And thousands of those numbers apparently were used by illegal immigrants to apply for work." What are the odds those numbers show up in "swing states," like Ohio and Florida? |
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I don't know, I the tax code is what, 2 feet thick...doubt I can come up with an effective system on the spot, but the point is, however you define it, if you don't pay into the system, you should have no say in the system.... I do mean pay, as in after all is said and done, you have a net positive cash flow to the government, not a case where you pay in, but after all your credits, you actually get back more than you but it...or break even. Quoted:
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Define welfare. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for medicaid, for example. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for section 8 housing allowances. You can pay federal income tax while still being eligible for...(you get the idea). I don't know, I the tax code is what, 2 feet thick...doubt I can come up with an effective system on the spot, but the point is, however you define it, if you don't pay into the system, you should have no say in the system.... I do mean pay, as in after all is said and done, you have a net positive cash flow to the government, not a case where you pay in, but after all your credits, you actually get back more than you but it...or break even. Something like that. And it's why your idea is never going to see the light of day. It's impossible to implement. In fact your idea would actually make it thicker. |
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Who writes the test? Who administers the test? Who decides what is passing or failing? Who decides when and how changes are made? You know it would start out simple and basic and then morph into something where only the elite would get to vote, because everyone else (including you) are just "to stupid" to know what is good for you. Terrible fucking idea. YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PASS A TEST, GET A LICENSE OR ASK FOR PERMISSION TO EXERCISE A RIGHT!! youre confusing natural or "god given" rights with those granted by the state. I have put some thought into this. take ten questions from the same pool of questions used on the citizenship exam. require 80% or better to pass. require passing test to register, and require people to register every election. only one attempt per election is allowed. |
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Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. Quoted:
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. 
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Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. Quoted:
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. Please. |
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Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. Quoted:
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Don't think a competency test would work, but I'd love to see a system where you can only vote if you paid Federal income tax...you don't have skin in the game, you shouldn't have a say in how (ultimately) tax dollars get spent... On welfare...no vote for you. Imagine all the Dems that would keep out....that would level the playing field.... Paying taxes doesn't give you "skin in the game"; serving your country does. Complete a 4 year enlistment and be honorably discharged. No DD 214, no vote, no exceptions for the sick, lame, or lazy. I understand the sentiment, but, no, a little too Heinlein....I will say, IMHO, if you actually pay Federal Income Tax, you have skin in the game... And I know there is all the other taxes out there, etc, etc....but you get my point, allowing the FSA scumbags to vote just leads to disaster....they will ALWAYS vote for their free shit, and as their ranks get larger exponentially, soon it will be all over, save a Civil War.... |
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Although I think it may be a good idea, the problem is with the questions on the test, and who makes up the questions. Different people may have different ideas about what should be on the test.
I say "X" should be on the test, and "Y" should NOT be on the test. Someone else says "X" should NOT be on the test, and "Y" should be on the test. Who gets to sort all that out? Having a vote on it won't work.. True democratic voting where everyone votes on everything becomes mob, or clan rule. The person with the largest clan, or mob has the votes to make all the rules. So, if the mob votes that murder, rape, and cannibalism of babies are good ideas, that sure doesn't make it all right....it just makes it legal until some court (that was voted into office) overturns, or supports the idea. |
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I've been calling for awhile now for the end of birthright citizenship. I don't care where you happened to fall out of a vagina, everyone takes the naturalization test at 18. If you can't pass, you can be a resident, but not a citizen. Competency tests for voting is a good idea, but racists democrats fucked it up for everybody. No. Even the sick, lame, and lazy might be able to pass the test. Do you want our government to be elected by defective people? That's how we got in the mess we're in now. You want to have a say in your country? Serve your country. |
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There will never be any competency test for voting. There have been too many abuses of this concept in the past.
Our Republic will, therefore, eventually default to the natural state of a society with no personal responsibility, no educational standards, and no moral compass: Rule by Morons. We have been hastening the decline for the past two generations by PAYING morons to have more children, while responsible people wait longer until they can support a family, and have only the children they can support. Edit: Wait! I just read this again, and I realize we are already there. never mind. |