Posted: 2/4/2015 12:27:43 PM EDT
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We bought a house. We had an ILC (Improvement Location Certificate, kind of an informal survey) that said a neighbors wood pile is encroaching on our property by two and a half feet.
The neighbors are renters and they use the wood pile as a ramp to a snowboard rail they set up in their back yard. We have ridiculously early bedtimes... like 7 or 8pm... and they have been very nice about shutting things down since our bedroom is just a few feet away from their back yard. I don't think they have the foggiest idea that the pile is over the property line (it isn't obvious). My wife thinks it is a huge liability and that I should demand they move it or go to their landlord. I want to be safe but I also don't want to piss off the neighbors because they would be perfectly capable of keeping us up at night with objectively reasonable amounts of noise. What says arfcom? 
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This, and don't forget to crush them and drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their women. The whole "lamentations of their women" can be especially fun if done properly. (I said "rape" twice). Quoted:
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Set the woodpile on fire. This, and don't forget to crush them and drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of their women. The whole "lamentations of their women" can be especially fun if done properly. (I said "rape" twice). Yup, fpni. |
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. |
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We bought a house. We had an ILC (Improvement Location Certificate, kind of an informal survey) that said a neighbors wood pile is encroaching on our property by two and a half feet. The neighbors are renters and they use the wood pile as a ramp to a snowboard rail they set up in their back yard. We have ridiculously early bedtimes... like 7 or 8pm... and they have been very nice about shutting things down since our bedroom is just a few feet away from their back yard. I don't think they have the foggiest idea that the pile is over the property line (it isn't obvious). My wife thinks it is a huge liability and that I should demand they move it or go to their landlord. I want to be safe but I also don't want to piss off the neighbors because they would be perfectly capable of keeping us up at night with objectively reasonable amounts of noise. What says arfcom? In these days it is. But who knows if it would ever come to it. If they get hurt on YOUR property you can be responsible. The best way ( state dependent) I suppose would to properly post some no trespassing signs. I know here if your shit is properly marked you cannot be held liable and actually if someone comes on your property and gets hurt they will still get slapped with trespassing . |
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. this is correct and now that you have posted that you are aware of it that makes things potentially worse |
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. this is correct and now that you have posted that you are aware of it that makes things potentially worse It's pretty sad that in our society we have to constantly worry about silly shit like this. |
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It's pretty sad that in our society we have to constantly worry about silly shit like this. Quoted:
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. this is correct and now that you have posted that you are aware of it that makes things potentially worse It's pretty sad that in our society we have to constantly worry about silly shit like this. Which is why you have insurance. Let them play. |
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Is the rail on your property? Odds are that any serious injury will occur once they leave the ramp. After the snow is gone, help move the wood pile and then put up a fence. This help the kids out building a better ramp on their property and moving the wood pile. Keep peace with the neighbors as London as you can. |
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Which is why you have insurance. Let them play. Quoted:
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. this is correct and now that you have posted that you are aware of it that makes things potentially worse It's pretty sad that in our society we have to constantly worry about silly shit like this. Which is why you have insurance. Let them play. This. You can either give yourself a big headache with the neighbors, or have a slight chance of giving your insurance company a small headache. Relax. |
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. Quoted:
I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. This is a pretty good point... Quoted:
Why do you have to accept the blame for the problem? Just say your agent stopped by and brought it to your attention. It's not your fault. Offer to help move the pile. Bring beer.  No problem.I like this. Quoted:
Is the rail on your property? Odds are that any serious injury will occur once they leave the ramp. After the snow is gone, help move the wood pile and then put up a fence. And this is a good idea. The rail is on their property. They had this setup last winter too. I'll post a picture in a moment. |
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I agree with your concern. Let's say a kid gets seriously injured on your property. When your neighbor's homeowner's insurance, health insurance, etc do an investigation into what happend (and they will), IF they get any inkling that it happened across the property line, those insurance companies will sue your insurance company. Neither you nor your neighbor will have any choice in the matter. This. Someone gets injured, and it comes out that it happened on the OP's property (and it will come uut), the OP is getting dragged into it. |
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Put up a fence, but go about it in a neighborly way. Tell them (and the landlord), "hey, we're thinking about putting up a fence and are gonna get a survey." Then get your survey and say, "hey, did ya know that woodpile is crossing the property line by a few feet? We're still thinking about putting up a fence so how about we help you movie it all to your side of the line?" Lets face it, you gotta get a survey before you go in guns-a-blazin' like your wife wants so you don't lose anything by trying to do it the easy way first. The risk of someone getting hurt and suing you is pretty small, but it's a legitimate concern (but my tolerance for risks like that is pretty low).
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I did a quick search to see if Colorado has a law like Ohio's, and they do. There is a lot more at the link, but I believe this would offer you some protection. I am not a lawyer.
Colorado Recreational Use Statute "TITLE 33: WILDLIFE AND PARKS AND OUTDOOR RECREATION RECREATIONAL AREAS AND SKI SAFETY ARTICLE 41: OWNERS OF RECREATIONAL AREAS - LIABILITY §33-41-101. Legislative declaration The purpose of this article is to encourage owners of land within rural areas to make land and water areas available for recreational purposes by limiting their liability toward persons entering thereon for such purposes. §33-41-102. Definitions As used in this article, unless the context otherwise requires: (1) "Charge" means a consideration paid for entry upon or use of the land or any facilities thereon or adjacent thereto. (2) "Land" also means roads, water, watercourses, private ways, and buildings, structures, and machinery or equipment thereon, when attached to real property. (3) "Owner" includes, but is not limited to, the possessor of a fee interest, a tenant, lessee, occupant, the possessor of any other interest in land, or any person having a right to grant permission to use the land, or any public entity as defined in the "Colorado Governmental Immunity Act", article 10 of title 24, C.R.S., which has an interest in land. (4) "Person" includes any individual, regardless of age, maturity, or experience, or any corporation, government or governmental subdivision or agency, business trust, estate, trust, partnership, or association, or any other legal entity. (4.5) "Public entity" means the same as defined in section 24-10-103 (5), C.R.S. (5) "Recreational purpose" includes, but is not limited to, any sports or other recreational activity of whatever nature undertaken by a person while using the land, including ponds, lakes, reservoirs, streams, paths, and trails appurtenant thereto, of another and includes, but is not limited to, any hobby, diversion, or other sports or other recreational activity such as: Hunting, fishing, camping, picnicking, hiking, horseback riding, snowshoeing, cross country skiing, bicycling, riding or driving motorized recreational vehicles, swimming, tubing, diving, spelunking, sight-seeing, exploring, hang gliding, rock climbing, kite flying, roller skating, bird watching, gold panning, target shooting, ice skating, ice fishing, photography, or engaging in any other form of sports or other recreational activity. §33-41-103. Limitation on landowner's liability (1) Subject to the provision of section 33-41-105, an owner of land who either directly or indirectly invites or permits, without charge, any person to use such property for recreational purposes does not thereby: (a) Extend any assurance that the premises are safe for any purpose; (b) Confer upon such person the legal status of an invitee or licensee to whom a duty of care is owed; (c) Assume responsibility or incur liability for any injury to person or property or for the death of any person caused by an act or omission of such person. |
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Wait until spring. Explain it to them then. Offer to help them move it. When you can, get a fence or some kind of "boundary" indicator so new renters don't do similar stuff. Also, this spring, tell the landlord about it in writing. Keep a copy of the letter. You won't have liability if someone gets hurt and NOBODY KNOWS IT IS YOUR PROPERTY. It'll be "got hurt on the wood pile out back" not "got hurt on that guy's wood pile out back." |
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people hate insurance companies tell them your insurance company came by to do a inspection and found the rail and the wood pile on your property and want it removed because it is a liability or they are jacking your rates up (those bastards) tell them to scoot it over on their property before your insurance screws you they feel empathy for you and nobody is any wiser 
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Not really interested in a fence. Nobody around here has a fence. Chainlink is ugly and anything else just causes snow to drift and delay melting.
I don't think this needs a fence to solve the problem. I'm liking the wait until it melts in two months, explain + beer + help moving (I'll explain these are because we are good neighbors and so are they), letter to landlord. Quoted:
People often plant trees along property lines, so I wonder if your informal survey could be a bit off. Just a thought. Possible... but the survey company is pretty good and they found the lot stakes, they showed me where they are. Trust me that nobody planted those trees. |
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lie... people hate insurance companies tell them your insurance company came by to do a inspection and found the rail and the wood pile on your property and want it removed because it is a liability or they are jacking your rates up (those bastards) tell them to scoot it over on their property before your insurance screws you they feel empathy for you and nobody is any wiser This is an excellent idea. You can help be pissed off, just like them. Help them move the pile while bitching the whole time. Blame it on the insurance company, |
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Honestly, if they are just using it a a starter ramp then there is very little chance of anything going wrong. It looks like it would be a PITA to tear it down, move it, and then rebuild it.
I would notify your landlord and then not worry about it. If the landlord has a problem, he can come out and tell them to move it himself. |
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Honestly, if they are just using it a a starter ramp then there is very little chance of anything going wrong. It looks like it would be a PITA to tear it down, move it, and then rebuild it. I would notify your landlord and then not worry about it. If the landlord has a problem, he can come out and tell them to move it himself. I don't have a landlord. I own. They rent. |
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Wait til snow melts, help them scoot it over. Build fence.
It would suck moving it right now and you'll probably end up pissing them off anyway for doing it during riding season. They could be doing something a lot worse than snowboarding. Like cooking meth, etc. I'd be grateful. |
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I don't have a landlord. I own. They rent. Quoted:
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Honestly, if they are just using it a a starter ramp then there is very little chance of anything going wrong. It looks like it would be a PITA to tear it down, move it, and then rebuild it. I would notify your landlord and then not worry about it. If the landlord has a problem, he can come out and tell them to move it himself. I don't have a landlord. I own. They rent. Ask them to move it and offer to help. Sounds like they are cool so if you are cool they will continue to be cool. only a real bitch would get upset with the request to relocate the woodpile/ramp off of THEIR property if the person doing the asking offered to lend a hand. I would not get bent if they asked me not to park on their grass so cant see how they would get bent. |