[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Gen 2 Keltec Sub-2000 (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 1/20/2015 12:18:51 PM EDT
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PejpS1R8oSU
Interesting upgrades to the Sub 2K. The handguard has picatinny rails top and bottom, and MLOK on the sides. Stock is adjustable. Front sight takes AR15 sight posts. Maybe we'll see one in 2017. 
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I miss the one I had , I just hated it was 40SW Might be time to start shopping for an old 9mm to mod , after the 2nd Gen hit the shelves , steady, in 2020  KelTec has some interesting stuff , but the eons that most of the stuff takes to get to the shelves has always been dismal. |
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KelTec Sub-2000 version 2.0, now with TWICE the rarity! They said their improvments made it a lot quicker to manufacture. So four a month instead of two. Cool. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I miss the one I had , I just hated it was 40SW Might be time to start shopping for an old 9mm to mod , after the 2nd Gen hit the shelves , steady, in 2020
KelTec has some interesting stuff , but the eons that most of the stuff takes to get to the shelves has always been dismal. Same.... hated it in .40 plus the damn grip would always separate and pinch the ever loving fuck out of my fingers when I gripped it... looks like they definitely fixed that though. They should partner with red lion and included their rail though.... at least for a special edition or something |
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That company seems to have a.d.d. to the max. They never seem to produce that many of any weapon. Then they create a new design, and do the same thing. For some odd reason though, this last year i've seen a ton of KSG shotguns everywhere I go.
I do like the 80s look of their guns though, in a strange way. |
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3rd quarter?  Here's what they mean by "3rd Quarter" In the 4th quarter of 2015, they'll push back delivery to "first Quarter 2016" Second quarter of 2016 exactly four prototypes will make it into the hands of some internet gun bloggers and they will be proclaimed as the coolest things ever. Fourth Quarter of 2016 a rumor will circulate that they are entering mass production. Second quarter of 2017 it will be announced that production is again pulled back until first quarter of 2018. Radio silence until SHOT 2019 where it will be on display again with expected deliveries in Third Quarter 2019. All mention of the product will be dropped in third quarter 2019. Exactly 14 units will be produced and shipped in the Second Quarter of 2021 and will pop up on GunBroker at three times the MSRP. |
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KSGs are everywhere here. Can't give them away. Quoted:
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That's fantastic. They gonna build more than 3 per quarter? Fucking Kel-Tec. I'd buy one of those and a KSG if they had any manufacturing capacity. 
KSGs are everywhere here. Can't give them away. And where is "here"?
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Here's what they mean by "3rd Quarter" In the 4th quarter of 2015, they'll push back delivery to "first Quarter 2016" Second quarter of 2016 exactly four prototypes will make it into the hands of some internet gun bloggers and they will be proclaimed as the coolest things ever. Fourth Quarter of 2016 a rumor will circulate that they are entering mass production. Second quarter of 2017 it will be announced that production is again pulled back until first quarter of 2018. Radio silence until SHOT 2019 where it will be on display again with expected deliveries in Third Quarter 2019. All mention of the product will be dropped in third quarter 2019. Exactly 14 units will be produced and shipped in the Second Quarter of 2021 and will pop up on GunBroker at three times the MSRP. Quoted:
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3rd quarter? Here's what they mean by "3rd Quarter" In the 4th quarter of 2015, they'll push back delivery to "first Quarter 2016" Second quarter of 2016 exactly four prototypes will make it into the hands of some internet gun bloggers and they will be proclaimed as the coolest things ever. Fourth Quarter of 2016 a rumor will circulate that they are entering mass production. Second quarter of 2017 it will be announced that production is again pulled back until first quarter of 2018. Radio silence until SHOT 2019 where it will be on display again with expected deliveries in Third Quarter 2019. All mention of the product will be dropped in third quarter 2019. Exactly 14 units will be produced and shipped in the Second Quarter of 2021 and will pop up on GunBroker at three times the MSRP. Reminds me of COMDEX and many CES shows. |
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The main issue with KT's production rates is that the company is fiscally very conservative. They expand all that they can, they've added buildings, more machines, more workers etc. over the years, but they'll only do what they can afford out of pocket without debt.
People are used to the way publicly traded companies who are mainly concerned with stock price and the next quarterly results, and have a CEO with a golden parachute contract willing to take the risk. A company comes up with new products and can't meet demand? The shareholders and the board see dollar signs and shit bricks, and the CEO leverages debt to the max to ramp up production at all costs. If the CEO didn't, he'd be fired. That the company might 'win the battle, but lose the war" and not be able to service it's long-term debt because the market demand was satisfied, or the economy is in the toilet, or in the case of gun companies, some big ban or new AWB means they can't sell their products anymore... (shrug), the CEO doesn't care, he has his multi-million dollar golden parachute, the board doesn't care, they're all part of the corporate "Good ol' Boy Network" and all sit on a bunch of other company boards too, and the shareholders don't care because they sold their stock at it's peak, or they'll get another shot in the arm if the company gets bought out rather than bankruptcy and their shares get takeover offers. Keltec is all privately held by the Kelgren family etc. and they don't want to risk losing the company to debt, and having it bought up by Cerberus/Freedom Group, and having it's IP, and CNC machining assets all sold off to make yet more AR-15's and Remchester Fudd guns for Cabela's and Gander Mtn. It's frustrating, but there it is. And the distributors play allocation games with the KT products which further exacerbates the issue. (In before some dist. rep or buthurt FFL chimes in to claim that's not how it works...) The KT's get doled out to the gunshops that move enough volume in Glocks, Ruger's or whatever else as a reward, and even the distributor rep's themselves get "rewarded" for performance with allocations of KT products they can dole out to their customer base within the distributorship itself. And there's also just the simpler issue of lazy gunshops who don't work the phones and squeeze their distributors for KT products, and are passive and accept whatever shows up. Anyone who REALLY wants a KT product badly enough, can get one if they do some research as to which FFL's/stores are able to get them in on a regular basis, and get on the waiting list. |
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Quoted: It is functional Quoted: Quoted: I'll stick with my Glock 22 .40 S&W Sub 2000 that rail is fucking hideous. It is functional |
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Kel-Tec Sub 2000 is a KISS Gun. It doesn't need rails and shit. It is a "Oh shit, Russian Paratroopers are landing while I drive to work gun." Quoted:
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I'll stick with my Glock 22 .40 S&W Sub 2000 that rail is fucking hideous. It is functional Oh boy. People are gonna give you shit about that. "Leaving a gun in your trunk is irresponsible" etc. etc., herp derp. |
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Kel-Tec Sub 2000 is a KISS Gun. It doesn't need rails and shit. It is a "Oh shit, Russian Paratroopers are landing while I drive to work gun." Quoted:
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I'll stick with my Glock 22 .40 S&W Sub 2000 that rail is fucking hideous. It is functional Light? |
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Went to a gun shop I had never been to last week that actually specializes in tactical stuff. It was the first time I had seen suppressors, AR-15 uppers and lowers, a KSG, and a Sub 2000 in the same place. The 9 mm Sub2000 was priced at $499.99 and took Beretta mags. I think they had another one in .40. I asked if they ever get the Glock mag ones. A guy working there said they got one two weeks ago and his brother bought it. Just why in the heck does Kel-Tec bother making them that take anything other than Glock mags in the first place?
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The main issue with KT's production rates is that the company is fiscally very conservative. They expand all that they can, they've added buildings, more machines, more workers etc. over the years, but they'll only do what they can afford out of pocket without debt. People are used to the way publicly traded companies who are mainly concerned with stock price and the next quarterly results, and have a CEO with a golden parachute contract willing to take the risk. A company comes up with new products and can't meet demand? The shareholders and the board see dollar signs and shit bricks, and the CEO leverages debt to the max to ramp up production at all costs. If the CEO didn't, he'd be fired. That the company might 'win the battle, but lose the war" and not be able to service it's long-term debt because the market demand was satisfied, or the economy is in the toilet, or in the case of gun companies, some big ban or new AWB means they can't sell their products anymore... (shrug), the CEO doesn't care, he has his multi-million dollar golden parachute, the board doesn't care, they're all part of the corporate "Good ol' Boy Network" and all sit on a bunch of other company boards too, and the shareholders don't care because they sold their stock at it's peak, or they'll get another shot in the arm if the company gets bought out rather than bankruptcy and their shares get takeover offers. Keltec is all privately held by the Kelgren family etc. and they don't want to risk losing the company to debt, and having it bought up by Cerberus/Freedom Group, and having it's IP, and CNC machining assets all sold off to make yet more AR-15's and Remchester Fudd guns for Cabela's and Gander Mtn. It's frustrating, but there it is. And the distributors play allocation games with the KT products which further exacerbates the issue. (In before some dist. rep or buthurt FFL chimes in to claim that's not how it works...) The KT's get doled out to the gunshops that move enough volume in Glocks, Ruger's or whatever else as a reward, and even the distributor rep's themselves get "rewarded" for performance with allocations of KT products they can dole out to their customer base within the distributorship itself. And there's also just the simpler issue of lazy gunshops who don't work the phones and squeeze their distributors for KT products, and are passive and accept whatever shows up. Anyone who REALLY wants a KT product badly enough, can get one if they do some research as to which FFL's/stores are able to get them in on a regular basis, and get on the waiting list. That may be true but they are leaving money on the table by not meeting demand. I have never seen a kel Tec sub2000 for sale in a shop and I have looked and asked in every shop in my area. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Kel-Tec Sub 2000 is a KISS Gun. It doesn't need rails and shit. It is a "Oh shit, Russian Paratroopers are landing while I drive to work gun." Quoted:
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I'll stick with my Glock 22 .40 S&W Sub 2000 that rail is fucking hideous. It is functional Yup |
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Oh boy. People are gonna give you shit about that. "Leaving a gun in your trunk is irresponsible" etc. etc., herp derp. Quoted:
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I'll stick with my Glock 22 .40 S&W Sub 2000 that rail is fucking hideous. It is functional Oh boy. People are gonna give you shit about that. "Leaving a gun in your trunk is irresponsible" etc. etc., herp derp. But if you don't have a spare bolt, Aimpoint and surefire and 4000 rounds of ammo, you'll die. |
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The main issue with KT's production rates is that the company is fiscally very conservative. They expand all that they can, they've added buildings, more machines, more workers etc. over the years, but they'll only do what they can afford out of pocket without debt. People are used to the way publicly traded companies who are mainly concerned with stock price and the next quarterly results, and have a CEO with a golden parachute contract willing to take the risk. A company comes up with new products and can't meet demand? The shareholders and the board see dollar signs and shit bricks, and the CEO leverages debt to the max to ramp up production at all costs. If the CEO didn't, he'd be fired. That the company might 'win the battle, but lose the war" and not be able to service it's long-term debt because the market demand was satisfied, or the economy is in the toilet, or in the case of gun companies, some big ban or new AWB means they can't sell their products anymore... (shrug), the CEO doesn't care, he has his multi-million dollar golden parachute, the board doesn't care, they're all part of the corporate "Good ol' Boy Network" and all sit on a bunch of other company boards too, and the shareholders don't care because they sold their stock at it's peak, or they'll get another shot in the arm if the company gets bought out rather than bankruptcy and their shares get takeover offers. Keltec is all privately held by the Kelgren family etc. and they don't want to risk losing the company to debt, and having it bought up by Cerberus/Freedom Group, and having it's IP, and CNC machining assets all sold off to make yet more AR-15's and Remchester Fudd guns for Cabela's and Gander Mtn. It's frustrating, but there it is. And the distributors play allocation games with the KT products which further exacerbates the issue. (In before some dist. rep or buthurt FFL chimes in to claim that's not how it works...) The KT's get doled out to the gunshops that move enough volume in Glocks, Ruger's or whatever else as a reward, and even the distributor rep's themselves get "rewarded" for performance with allocations of KT products they can dole out to their customer base within the distributorship itself. And there's also just the simpler issue of lazy gunshops who don't work the phones and squeeze their distributors for KT products, and are passive and accept whatever shows up. Anyone who REALLY wants a KT product badly enough, can get one if they do some research as to which FFL's/stores are able to get them in on a regular basis, and get on the waiting list. Thank you for that. It's interesting.  I can't say that I blame them either for that business model.
I have several Glock Gen 1 versions. They're great. But if this one comes threaded, I'll definitely be in the market for one.
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