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1/11/2015 12:59:30 PM EDT
Tell me about your fish tanks.

I had a 10 gallon that we had some tetra's but treated the water and ended up killing them... Prior to that they made it almost a year.

We got one of those "self cleaning" beta tanks for the kids. It's nice.

I'm thinking about a triple beta tank that has a water fall thing between the tanks.

What ya got.
1/11/2015 1:00:52 PM EDT
[#1]
The smaller the tank, the harder to maintain.
1/11/2015 1:03:20 PM EDT
[#2]
How small is too small

And even for betas
1/11/2015 1:12:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Bettas live among mangroves usually, in very muddy water, with a  territory of a few square inches.  Smaller is ok with them.
1/11/2015 1:13:57 PM EDT
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Tell me about your fish tanks.

I had a 10 gallon that we had some tetra's but treated the water and ended up killing them... Prior to that they made it almost a year.

We got one of those "self cleaning" beta tanks for the kids. It's nice.

I'm thinking about a triple beta tank that has a water fall thing between the tanks.

What ya got.
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Just curious:  What how did you treat the water?
1/11/2015 1:22:14 PM EDT
[#5]
The only thing i ever used on my water was Prime.
1/11/2015 1:26:47 PM EDT
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Agreed.

For bettas, 5 gallons seems to be about right. I kept one in a 10 with some zebra danios, and they cohabited nicely.
1/11/2015 1:27:42 PM EDT
[#7]
What exactly did you do to the water?
1/11/2015 1:32:45 PM EDT
[#8]
I've had everything from 100 gal and down, freshwater, mostly Dempsies and Cichlids. But also milder tanks with schooling silver dollars and mollys.
I'd love to give Salt Water a try but don't have the time to invest in a 'always watching' it tank.
BEWARE PERMETHRIN!!! bug killer, insect spray, etc. This stuff is cyanide to fish. I killed a whole tank of 60+ fish after using mosquito repellent near a net that was later used in the tank. Seriously deadly for the swimming populace!
1/11/2015 1:33:46 PM EDT
[#9]
210 gallon reef






1/11/2015 1:36:45 PM EDT
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Tell me about your fish tanks.

I had a 10 gallon that we had some tetra's but treated the water and ended up killing them... Prior to that they made it almost a year.

We got one of those "self cleaning" beta tanks for the kids. It's nice.

I'm thinking about a triple beta tank that has a water fall thing between the tanks.

What ya got.


Just curious:  What how did you treat the water?

Some kind of tablet that I had used in the past. Second time after I did a water exchange but it killed them all with in a few days...
1/11/2015 1:42:38 PM EDT
[#11]
Never used any treatment in my tank. Only chemicals that get used is chlorine remover and ph balance when doing water changes.
Usually change out about 25% to 40% of the water every month or two.

Recently I have been slacking. need to give the tank a good cleaning.
1/11/2015 1:44:05 PM EDT
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This, and unfortunately, it is counter-intuitive and a shit ton of new hobbyists don't get this because they don't read up on it.

START with the BIGGEST tank you can afford.

1/11/2015 1:44:47 PM EDT
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210 gallon reef


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Watch out, we got a badass over here.



Seriously, awesome tank.  Thanks for the pics.
1/11/2015 1:46:47 PM EDT
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In closed system aquaria, pH fluctuates much more rapidly (and for fish, dangerously) in a small tank than a large one.

Understand this, and the nitrogen cycle, and your fish will thank you.

Well, maybe they won't "thank" you, but they'll live longer.

1/11/2015 2:26:40 PM EDT
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Some kind of tablet that I had used in the past. Second time after I did a water exchange but it killed them all with in a few days...
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Tell me about your fish tanks.

I had a 10 gallon that we had some tetra's but treated the water and ended up killing them... Prior to that they made it almost a year.

We got one of those "self cleaning" beta tanks for the kids. It's nice.

I'm thinking about a triple beta tank that has a water fall thing between the tanks.

What ya got.


Just curious:  What how did you treat the water?

Some kind of tablet that I had used in the past. Second time after I did a water exchange but it killed them all with in a few days...


What kind of tablet and what was it for?


When you did the water change did you match the temperature? Did you dechlorinate the water before you put it in the tank or after?

How quickly did you add the water? Did you just pull a couple gallons out and throw a couple gallons back in?
1/11/2015 2:31:23 PM EDT
[#16]
I like micro saltwater tanks. I head a die off, so my tank is just idling. Corals only, in a home modified 5 gallon tank.

Otherwise, the fluval edge is a nice tank.

But, wait for petsmart to do their $1 a gallon tanks, and just buy a couple tanks. I'd keep individual betas in no smaller then a 10 gal tank per, but I'm also a little crazy on ensuring my fish live rather nice lives. Shrug.

A ten gal with some schooling fish and a pleco or two make a nice tank.
1/11/2015 2:32:20 PM EDT
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210 gallon reef


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I hate you

Have you posted this tank elsewhere? IT ... seems familiar.
1/11/2015 2:38:22 PM EDT
[#18]
I have a 90 gallon saltwater tank. I have long spine urchins that will not stop growing.

Great home defense animal. Grab it and throw it at the invader.
1/11/2015 2:40:28 PM EDT
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Need sharks.

With frickin' lasers.
1/11/2015 2:51:21 PM EDT
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1/11/2015 2:56:00 PM EDT
[#21]
~40 gallons iirc,
Started a planted tank, but never cared enough to get all of the co2 setups or even dosing it w/ the liquid carbon.

Been going over a year, grass is spreading nicely but slowly due to the lower light / carbon conditions, still same fish, all is well enough.
1/11/2015 3:06:36 PM EDT
[#22]
My son wanted a beta. Had to have it. Went to the pet store bought a 3 gallon tank and all the extra crap. Cleaned the tank, treated the water, tested water, acclimated the fish before putting him in. All went well... For a week or two.






Then his fins clamped up and he stopped eating. Treated the water and fins came unclamped and started eating again. Now his fins are rotting off but he's still swiming and eating.







We went back to petsmart. We spoke to a girl who seemed to know wth she was talking about. Said the whole batch that he came in died. All of them. We have done everything you can do treatment wise for a fucking 6$ fish. He's gonna kick it soon I bet.







6$ fish 100$ with of extras. Yay.




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1/11/2015 3:09:53 PM EDT
[#23]
It has been in out aquarium threads here
1/11/2015 3:22:12 PM EDT
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<20 gal.

You want a good power filter and let the bottom get stabilized for additional filtration before putting a bunch of fish in.  

Be careful with insecticides, do partial water changes once a month, and above all:  Don't screw with the tank every day.   Changes takes days to weeks, so don't over-react to cloudy water, for example.

Live plants help keep the tank healthy, too.   Bigger tanks give you more room for plants, a lot larger volume so temp changes aren't abrubt, etc.

Saltwater is a lot harder than freshwater, and the fish are far more expensive.   Minimum tank size for saltwater is a lot bigger for success.

1/11/2015 4:25:16 PM EDT
[#25]
I had a 55gal that I kept Discus in.  Finally got the water to the right ph, temp, etc. to lay eggs but they kept eating them.  Sold the tank.   Anyway, I had an under gravel filter along with dual bio wheels and a charcoal filter.  My Discus were happy.  I raised them from 1" to around 6" and sold them to a pet store for a decent sum later.  

This thread gives me inspiration to try salt water.  Some of the most beautiful fish are saltwater species.  IMHO the Discus is the best looking freshwater species.
1/11/2015 4:30:26 PM EDT
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I have a 90 gallon, primarily for a small turtle.  But I have four fish in there as well.  I don't ever treat the water and never have with any of the similar tanks I've had before.  You couldn't kill those fish with a stick.
1/11/2015 4:32:21 PM EDT
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Some kind of tablet that I had used in the past. Second time after I did a water exchange but it killed them all with in a few days...
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Tell me about your fish tanks.

I had a 10 gallon that we had some tetra's but treated the water and ended up killing them... Prior to that they made it almost a year.

We got one of those "self cleaning" beta tanks for the kids. It's nice.

I'm thinking about a triple beta tank that has a water fall thing between the tanks.

What ya got.


Just curious:  What how did you treat the water?

Some kind of tablet that I had used in the past. Second time after I did a water exchange but it killed them all with in a few days...


I wonder what it was.  
1/11/2015 4:36:01 PM EDT
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I like micro saltwater tanks. I head a die off, so my tank is just idling. Corals only, in a home modified 5 gallon tank.

Otherwise, the fluval edge is a nice tank.

But, wait for petsmart to do their $1 a gallon tanks, and just buy a couple tanks. I'd keep individual betas in no smaller then a 10 gal tank per, but I'm also a little crazy on ensuring my fish live rather nice lives. Shrug.

A ten gal with some schooling fish and a pleco or two make a nice tank.
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Plecos are the devil.

I started out a long time ago with a small pleco, it got bigger so I wound up buying a larger tank, fucker kept growing I wound up with a 300 gallon tank, that had this massive dinosaur looking pleco and shrimp, I loved my little glass shrimp.  People buy them as feeders, and I provided a habitat for them that would probably be considered Ghost shrimp heaven.   The pleco kept to himself, the shrimp multiplied like crazy, toss in a handful of snails and watch as the shrimp went to town.

Beware of plecos, they force you to buy big tanks.
1/11/2015 4:38:49 PM EDT
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My son wanted a beta. Had to have it. Went to the pet store bought a 3 gallon tank and all the extra crap. Cleaned the tank, treated the water, tested water, acclimated the fish before putting him in. All went well... For a week or two.

Then his fins clamped up and he stopped eating. Treated the water and fins came unclamped and started eating again. Now his fins are rotting off but he's still swiming and eating.


We went back to petsmart. We spoke to a girl who seemed to know wth she was talking about. Said the whole batch that he came in died. All of them. We have done everything you can do treatment wise for a fucking 6$ fish. He's gonna kick it soon I bet.


6$ fish 100$ with of extras. Yay.
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Your water needs to be aged, no bacteria, no balance.  Let the fish die in the tank and rot a bit, then do a partial water change, and let it run for a week or so, then add back in a new betta.  Then every month or so,  replace a gallon of water, that water should have been left out overnight.  Remember, Bettas do fine in dirty water (Dirty to them = muddy).


1/11/2015 4:51:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Biocube 14 or 29
1/11/2015 4:54:48 PM EDT
[#31]


20 gallon long freshwater planted with Crypts, Java Fern, and Brazilian Pennywort


Recent thread on tanks
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1700917_Where_are_all_the_Aquarium_people_.html&page=2
1/11/2015 4:58:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Found it.

"Water Clarifier"

-removes odors
-neutralizes iron in tpa water

1 tab per 20 gallons

1/11/2015 5:02:07 PM EDT
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I put some bulbs and live plants in it today and letting it normalize. Got a beta waiting in some water adjusting.

I want to get a few larger rocks and something to go across it.

What's the deal with live plants or grass? How much it too much?

And also, how high can a beta jump?  I don't want to put a lid on it.

I'm not just if I have a 10g or a 20g...

I'm gonna look at the pet shop when I take my kids back today.
1/11/2015 5:05:58 PM EDT
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~40 gallons iirc,
Started a planted tank, but never cared enough to get all of the co2 setups or even dosing it w/ the liquid carbon.

Been going over a year, grass is spreading nicely but slowly due to the lower light / carbon conditions, still same fish, all is well enough.
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What kind of grass?

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1/11/2015 5:09:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Looks like dwarf hair grass  aka DHG
1/11/2015 5:10:56 PM EDT
[#36]
FYI Petco is having a sale on aquariums. $1 a gallon.

I think it is in store only.

I have a 6 gallon JBJ nanocube reef tank and a 320 gallon reef system at home.
My garage is currently turned into a mini aquarium store with fish quarantined and live rock curing.
I am helping build a new 450 gallon reef system in a local business.

Edit. Reefcentral.com and reef2reef.com are the ar15.com of the aquarium world.
1/11/2015 5:12:29 PM EDT
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If you mean the videotape that was killed by VHS not very high. If you mean a BETTA, as in Betta splendens, I've never actually seen them jump. It's also pronounced that way-betta-like a snooty British way of saying better, not beta like the videotape.
1/11/2015 5:14:19 PM EDT
[#38]
I have a Betta in a 5.5 gallon. Seems pretty happy in there compared to all the typical Betta tanks you see. Swims around a lot, hides in the plants and decor, watches you when you come near the tank. I want to switch over to some real plants just haven't gotten a chance yet.

Nothing spectacular compared to the tanks you see on here but I enjoy it.
1/11/2015 5:18:08 PM EDT
[#39]
I have had tanks from a fishbowl to a 210 gallon, all fresh.

I would say the water change is what killed them if you changed it all out.  I never changed more than 25% of what was in there if it currently had fish in it.

Water from the tap is pretty much Alkaline and when it gets full of bacteria it will turn acidic.  

Invest in a simple test kit to check the water.  Blue (alkaline) is bad, Green is good, and Yellow (acidic) is bad.

You can buy drops to bring down the alkalinity after a water change but if it is acidic a simple partial water change will do.

Find a real fish store and talk to the people there for more advice on the test kits and they will usually have their own that they can demonstrate.
1/11/2015 5:34:01 PM EDT
[#40]
Can bulbs grow on top of the water? Is that ok to do?
1/11/2015 5:34:46 PM EDT
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1/11/2015 6:18:33 PM EDT
[#42]
I got some more plants for it and also a piece of wood.
1/11/2015 6:33:49 PM EDT
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Plecos are the devil.



I started out a long time ago with a small pleco, it got bigger so I wound up buying a larger tank, fucker kept growing I wound up with a 300 gallon tank, that had this massive dinosaur looking pleco and shrimp, I loved my little glass shrimp.  People buy them as feeders, and I provided a habitat for them that would probably be considered Ghost shrimp heaven.   The pleco kept to himself, the shrimp multiplied like crazy, toss in a handful of snails and watch as the shrimp went to town.



Beware of plecos, they force you to buy big tanks.
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I like micro saltwater tanks. I head a die off, so my tank is just idling. Corals only, in a home modified 5 gallon tank.



Otherwise, the fluval edge is a nice tank.



But, wait for petsmart to do their $1 a gallon tanks, and just buy a couple tanks. I'd keep individual betas in no smaller then a 10 gal tank per, but I'm also a little crazy on ensuring my fish live rather nice lives. Shrug.



A ten gal with some schooling fish and a pleco or two make a nice tank.




Plecos are the devil.



I started out a long time ago with a small pleco, it got bigger so I wound up buying a larger tank, fucker kept growing I wound up with a 300 gallon tank, that had this massive dinosaur looking pleco and shrimp, I loved my little glass shrimp.  People buy them as feeders, and I provided a habitat for them that would probably be considered Ghost shrimp heaven.   The pleco kept to himself, the shrimp multiplied like crazy, toss in a handful of snails and watch as the shrimp went to town.



Beware of plecos, they force you to buy big tanks.
I was fly fishing in a river on the VA/WV border about 15 years ago. I was moving to a different spot in the river and I was on a pebble shoal. I saw a ton of splashing about 10 ft in front of me in the shallows. I swore it was a pleco bit didn't know them to be that large.

 



Fast forward to about 3 months ago. Was at a fish shop. Guy had one in a huge tank that was about 2 feet long. I had no idea they got that big.
1/11/2015 6:36:55 PM EDT
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There are a lot of kinds of plecos, some of them get real large and others don't.
1/11/2015 6:40:56 PM EDT
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Found it.

"Water Clarifier"

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-neutralizes iron in tpa water

1 tab per 20 gallons
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I would say it was likely something else.  Like Sedona points out, the tank has to be cycled properly before fish are put in and you have to be careful what kind of water you are using for water changes.
1/11/2015 6:44:00 PM EDT
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I put some bulbs and live plants in it today and letting it normalize. Got a beta waiting in some water adjusting.

I want to get a few larger rocks and something to go across it.

What's the deal with live plants or grass? How much it too much?

And also, how high can a beta jump?  I don't want to put a lid on it.

I'm not just if I have a 10g or a 20g...
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I put some bulbs and live plants in it today and letting it normalize. Got a beta waiting in some water adjusting.

I want to get a few larger rocks and something to go across it.

What's the deal with live plants or grass? How much it too much?

And also, how high can a beta jump?  I don't want to put a lid on it.

I'm not just if I have a 10g or a 20g...


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We got one of those "self cleaning" beta tanks for the kids. It's nice.


Did you cycle the tank to make sure you have a good population of bacteria?  This is critical.
1/11/2015 6:49:18 PM EDT
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OP, if you don't already know about tank cycling, read through this thread as I've tried to explain it in detail.  It's an aquaponics thread, but since you bought plants, it will be a fun read.
1/11/2015 7:01:28 PM EDT
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Careful with putting wood and rocks in, either one, unless properly prepared (like boiled driftwood) can leech material into your tank that can adversely affect your fish.

A lot of rocks can do the same thing, too much copper for example will kill fish dead.  Too much copper is trace amounts.
1/11/2015 7:04:20 PM EDT
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Yep that's the stuff
1/11/2015 7:05:47 PM EDT
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Careful with putting wood and rocks in, either one, unless properly prepared (like boiled driftwood) can leech material into your tank that can adversely affect your fish.

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While you are correct on rock and wood leeching materials. Copper is plenty fine in smaller doses for fish only tanks. It is actually dosed to treat for diseases. I dose copper in my quarantine tanks.

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