[ARCHIVED THREAD] - CCW question (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 12/16/2014 4:59:21 PM EDT
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So lets say you stop by the local stab and grab to get some milk on the way home. You are in the back of the store at the cooler when two guys come in wielding guns loudly telling everyone to get down as one proceeds to go after the cash register while the other is keeping an eye on the rest of the store. You are carrying, what do you do? Whatever you choose will be Monday morning quarterbacked to death after the fact. According to the information at the CCW classes I have attended if you take any action you should expect to be sued, criminally prosecuted, etc. This will somewhat depend on the state in which you reside. |
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So lets say you stop by the local stab and grab to get some milk on the way home. You are in the back of the store at the cooler when two guys come in wielding guns loudly telling everyone to get down as one proceeds to go after the cash register while the other is keeping an eye on the rest of the store. You are carrying, what do you do? Whatever you choose will be Monday morning quarterbacked to death after the fact. According to the information at the CCW classes I have attended if you take any action you should expect to be sued, criminally prosecuted, etc. This will somewhat depend on the state in which you reside. You didn't attend those CCW classes in Florida. |
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Quoted: You didn't attend those CCW classes in Florida. Quoted: Quoted: So lets say you stop by the local stab and grab to get some milk on the way home. You are in the back of the store at the cooler when two guys come in wielding guns loudly telling everyone to get down as one proceeds to go after the cash register while the other is keeping an eye on the rest of the store. You are carrying, what do you do? Whatever you choose will be Monday morning quarterbacked to death after the fact. According to the information at the CCW classes I have attended if you take any action you should expect to be sued, criminally prosecuted, etc. This will somewhat depend on the state in which you reside. You didn't attend those CCW classes in Florida. Better put than my response...
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I'm pulling my gun and getting behind the end of the aisle where I can see them and be a good witness. If they start down an isle my way I am shooting. If they start shooting clerks or customers I would start shooting. Other than that I am praying they get the $ and leave without harming anyone. |
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If I am outnumbered and out gunned I would truly have to believe I am moments from death to unholster and open fire.
If they are there for the money, they can have it. I am not going to initiate gun fire against 2 armed individuals in a crowded store. That is what my rational brain says.........in the situation.........there is a possibility...............I react before I think |
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Quoted: I have the right to protect my life........ Yep, that is the point of CCW. I am more struggling with the concept of at what point are you justified to take action. Chances are with this scenario that they will grab the cash and dash. If they decide to push everyone into the back room statistically your chances of dieing go through the roof. You won't know if they will make that move until they are doing it and have their full attention on you making a defensive action much more difficult. |
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Quoted: Get down. Look for back exit. Get gun out if possible and plan safest route if they start shooting. Start saying the words. Front sight. Press. Front sight. Press Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Front sight Press. Hope like fuck they just take the cash and go. Deja Vu, I thought I heard R.Cain or E.Stock talking.  |
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I'm pulling my gun and getting behind the end of the aisle where I can see them and be a good witness. If they start down an isle my way I am shooting. If they start shooting clerks or customers I would start shooting. Other than that I am praying they get the $ and leave without harming anyone. BEST answer overall,,,,, 
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This reminds me of a script I was writing a few years back.
It involved 2 stoners walking into a 7/11 to grab some energy drinks and in the back of the store "Death" was checking eggs to make sure none of them were cracked, there was also a clown squeezing the head of his penis and it was making a honking sound. Anyways.... It would depend on how big the store was, if I was spotted, am I personally being threatened, etc. If they just take the money, no shots fired, I probably would wouldn't shoot, but luckily I haven't been put in this situation. |
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Yep, that is the point of CCW. I am more struggling with the concept of at what point are you justified to take action. Chances are with this scenario that they will grab the cash and dash. If they decide to push everyone into the back room statistically your chances of dieing go through the roof. You won't know if they will make that move until they are doing it and have their full attention on you making a defensive action much more difficult. Quoted:
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I have the right to protect my life........ Yep, that is the point of CCW. I am more struggling with the concept of at what point are you justified to take action. Chances are with this scenario that they will grab the cash and dash. If they decide to push everyone into the back room statistically your chances of dieing go through the roof. You won't know if they will make that move until they are doing it and have their full attention on you making a defensive action much more difficult. "officer what did you observe when you first arrived on the scene"....I saw a man sitting alone obviously distraught repeating over and over "I thought he was going to kill me, I didn't have a choice I thought he was going to kill me" |
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So lets say you stop by the local stab and grab to get some milk on the way home. You are in the back of the store at the cooler when two guys come in wielding guns loudly telling everyone to get down as one proceeds to go after the cash register while the other is keeping an eye on the rest of the store. You are carrying, what do you do? Whatever you choose will be Monday morning quarterbacked to death after the fact. According to the information at the CCW classes I have attended if you take any action you should expect to be sued, criminally prosecuted, etc. This will somewhat depend on the state in which you reside. Assuming a good shoot, this is the exact opposite of what I was taught in my KS CCW classes. And if I could get an advantage and prevent people from getting hurt, I'd step in and shoot. |
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If you are gonna go through life worrying about being sued or placed under a microscope, then let your wife go get the damn milk... I doubt getting sued would enter my mind at all. Getting shot when I didn't need to would be top on the list of concerns. I have not one modicum of need to shoot someone that is in the process of doing anything other than trying to kill me. |
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This reminds me of a script I was writing a few years back. It involved 2 stoners walking into a 7/11 to grab some energy drinks and in the back of the store "Death" was checking eggs to make sure none of them were cracked, there was also a clown squeezing the head of his penis and it was making a honking sound. Anyways.... You misspelled "Acid trip I was having" |
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I am more struggling with the concept of at what point are you justified to take action. In most jurisdictions, you are legally justified to use lethal force in defense of yourself or innocent others when there is a reasonable appreciation of risk of death or great bodily harm. So in most jurisdictions you're cleared hot the moment they begin the armed robbery. Whether that's a good idea at a practical level is another story. The specifics of the situation will make a big difference. |
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BEST answer overall,,,,, Quoted:
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I'm pulling my gun and getting behind the end of the aisle where I can see them and be a good witness. If they start down an isle my way I am shooting. If they start shooting clerks or customers I would start shooting. Other than that I am praying they get the $ and leave without harming anyone. BEST answer overall,,,,, Agreed. I'd do the same. |
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Get cover, barring that, concealment.
Draw gun, assess if it looks like they are gonna start shooting, take hostages and hole up, etc. If its a simple fast robbery for the cash and they leave, yeah, I'm not shooting and paying out thousands and thousands of dollars in attorney fees. They start shooting, well its time to shoot back. |
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And the life of others. If fear a law suit is a factor when you have to defend against a lethal thread, why carry? Quoted:
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I have the right to protect my life........ And the life of others. If fear a law suit is a factor when you have to defend against a lethal thread, why carry? This. Unfortunately, I think it's an unintended consequence of Mas Ayoob's articles and lectures on the legal outcome of justifiable homicides by citizens; it's necessary, but some people overdo it or over think it. Bottom line: Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Stay safe. |
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This. Unfortunately, I think it's an unintended consequence of Mas Ayoob's articles and lectures on the legal outcome of justifiable homicides by citizens; it's necessary, but some people overdo it or over think it. Bottom line: Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Stay safe. Quoted:
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I have the right to protect my life........ And the life of others. If fear a law suit is a factor when you have to defend against a lethal thread, why carry? This. Unfortunately, I think it's an unintended consequence of Mas Ayoob's articles and lectures on the legal outcome of justifiable homicides by citizens; it's necessary, but some people overdo it or over think it. Bottom line: Better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Stay safe. Exactly.....and don't forget the "you can't modify your carry gun" |
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I'm pulling my gun and getting behind the end of the aisle where I can see them and be a good witness. If they start down an isle my way I am shooting. If they start shooting clerks or customers I would start shooting. Other than that I am praying they get the $ and leave without harming anyone. Very well put and exactly what I was thinking would be prudent. A dindu comes toward me with gun drawn and it's mag dump time. |