Posted: 11/10/2014 12:20:20 AM EDT
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. True. But from what I've seen, Common Core make it so complicated that NOBODY can do math. Not the way they want it done. |
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. True. But from what I've seen, Common Core make it so complicated that NOBODY can do math. Not the way they want it done. My kid brought home some of that whacked-out shit and I was hard-pressed to help her figure it out. I was like "What's wrong with doing it the way I learned?" My wife is a teacher and, while admitting that it is extremely weird to most of us, it really works with some students. Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. |
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My kid brought home some of that whacked-out shit and I was hard-pressed to help her figure it out. I was like "What's wrong with doing it the way I learned?" My wife is a teacher and, while admitting that it is extremely weird to most of us, it really works with some students. Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. Quoted:
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. http://i60.tinypic.com/nqr9s4.jpg Quoted:
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. True. But from what I've seen, Common Core make it so complicated that NOBODY can do math. Not the way they want it done. My kid brought home some of that whacked-out shit and I was hard-pressed to help her figure it out. I was like "What's wrong with doing it the way I learned?" My wife is a teacher and, while admitting that it is extremely weird to most of us, it really works with some students. Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. WAT Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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The stuff people refer to as common core math are visual representations of the ways people do math in their head.
Some are better than others, but none of them can really capture the mental process. The idea is to get kids to understand that process. If a teacher doesn't understand that process well (not all adults do mental math at all) they'll be really bad at teaching it. I don't have any problem with it being taught, so long as traditional methods are taught as well. |
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Quoted: The stuff people refer to as common core math are visual representations of the ways people do math in their head. Some are better than others, but none of them can really capture the mental process. The idea is to get kids to understand that process. If a teacher doesn't understand that process well (not all adults do mental math at all) they'll be really bad at teaching it. I don't have any problem with it being taught, so long as traditional methods are taught as well. I agree. |
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The stuff people refer to as common core math are visual representations of the ways people do math in their head. Some are better than others, but none of them can really capture the mental process. The idea is to get kids to understand that process. If a teacher doesn't understand that process well (not all adults do mental math at all) they'll be really bad at teaching it. I don't have any problem with it being taught, so long as traditional methods are taught as well. That, and its a change in the way some/most have been doing it. For example, my six year old, who doesn't know any other way than the way he's being taught (common core) will have absolutely no problems with it, but a kid who's already in 6th grade might have some difficulties. But that's more on the teacher than the kid, which goes back to my first post and why teachers hate it. 
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everyone's a special snowflake and has to have their own way.....instead of saying 2+2 is 4...we have to draw these lines to these numbers and then add this one to this one....ahhh bullshit don't know one teacher who likes it.....my mother who's been a teacher for 32 years hates it and can't wait to retire next year |
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everyone's a special snowflake and has to have their own way.....instead of saying 2+2 is 4...we have to draw these lines to these numbers and then add this one to this one....ahhh bullshit don't know one teacher who likes it.....my mother who's been a teacher for 32 years hates it and can't wait to retire next year Soooo...there's a problem with counting visually, sometimes by ten, but memorization is ok? That's the argument against common core? The pictures? I ask because I'm yet to see a good argument against it, and I'm still waiting...Maybe pictures will help.
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everyone's a special snowflake and has to have their own way.....instead of saying 2+2 is 4...we have to draw these lines to these numbers and then add this one to this one....ahhh bullshit don't know one teacher who likes it.....my mother who's been a teacher for 32 years hates it and can't wait to retire next year The first time I encountered a number line was in a thread like this where a parent had struck the directions of a homework assignment out and written it was too complicated and made no sense and did it the traditional way. When I looked at the number line I immediately recognized it as a visual representation of a process of rapidly doing arithmetic mentally. It's incredibly stupid to write out like that on paper, except that it teaches the process. |
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My kid brought home some of that whacked-out shit and I was hard-pressed to help her figure it out. I was like "What's wrong with doing it the way I learned?" My wife is a teacher and, while admitting that it is extremely weird to most of us, it really works with some students. Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. Quoted:
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. http://i60.tinypic.com/nqr9s4.jpg Quoted:
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. True. But from what I've seen, Common Core make it so complicated that NOBODY can do math. Not the way they want it done. My kid brought home some of that whacked-out shit and I was hard-pressed to help her figure it out. I was like "What's wrong with doing it the way I learned?" My wife is a teacher and, while admitting that it is extremely weird to most of us, it really works with some students. Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. The moment I see those 2 words, my jimmies get rustled. 9 times out of 10 they're used as liberal buzzwords. |
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OP sounds like this... <a href="http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/unionlexararma2/media/tumblr_m068fzPZ9Q1qemtq6o1_500_zps02b8bb02.png.html" target="_blank">http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g454/unionlexararma2/tumblr_m068fzPZ9Q1qemtq6o1_500_zps02b8bb02.png</a> A fan of common core are ya? |
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The moment I see those 2 words, my jimmies get rustled. 9 times out of 10 they're used as liberal buzzwords. Quoted:
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Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. The moment I see those 2 words, my jimmies get rustled. 9 times out of 10 they're used as liberal buzzwords. This will be the 1 time out of 10, since our school board is completely made up of conservatives. |
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The stuff people refer to as common core math are visual representations of the ways people do math in their head. Some are better than others, but none of them can really capture the mental process. The idea is to get kids to understand that process. If a teacher doesn't understand that process well (not all adults do mental math at all) they'll be really bad at teaching it. I don't have any problem with it being taught, so long as traditional methods are taught as well. The problem I have noticed with my second grader is that they can only fit eight or nine of these word problems onto one assignment sheet. After two+ months of second grade he still hasn't learned simple math facts. What I mean by this is if I ask anybody coming from a generation without CC what 5+5 is, you don't even have to think of the answer, you know it immediately. When we were kids we had math assignments that had 50+ math problems on it, and you did that stuff until it was drilled into you. If I ask my son what 5+5 is I have to give him a word problem and he has to think through it. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. In fact, it makes good sense. But at the end of the day using their CC curriculum, he is not learning what we learned. We started printing old style math sheets full of problems for him to work on at home to bridge that gap. |
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The problem I have noticed with my second grader is that they can only fit eight or nine of these word problems onto one assignment sheet. After two+ months of second grade he still hasn't learned simple math facts. What I mean by this is if I ask anybody coming from a generation without CC what 5+5 is, you don't even have to think of the answer, you know it immediately. When we were kids we had math assignments that had 50+ math problems on it, and you did that stuff until it was drilled into you. If I ask my son what 5+5 is I have to give him a word problem and he has to think through it. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. In fact, it makes good sense. But at the end of the day using their CC curriculum, he is not learning what we learned. We started printing old style math sheets full of problems for him to work on at home to bridge that gap. Quoted:
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The stuff people refer to as common core math are visual representations of the ways people do math in their head. Some are better than others, but none of them can really capture the mental process. The idea is to get kids to understand that process. If a teacher doesn't understand that process well (not all adults do mental math at all) they'll be really bad at teaching it. I don't have any problem with it being taught, so long as traditional methods are taught as well. The problem I have noticed with my second grader is that they can only fit eight or nine of these word problems onto one assignment sheet. After two+ months of second grade he still hasn't learned simple math facts. What I mean by this is if I ask anybody coming from a generation without CC what 5+5 is, you don't even have to think of the answer, you know it immediately. When we were kids we had math assignments that had 50+ math problems on it, and you did that stuff until it was drilled into you. If I ask my son what 5+5 is I have to give him a word problem and he has to think through it. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. In fact, it makes good sense. But at the end of the day using their CC curriculum, he is not learning what we learned. We started printing old style math sheets full of problems for him to work on at home to bridge that gap. Yeah I'd be concerned too. In my school district they seem to be doing really well at teaching math facts and approaching it from many different angles. My first grader can do traditional long addition/subtraction, and can also do 3 and 4 digit addition/subtraction in her head. She wants to be a teacher when she grows up and spends a lot of time drilling my 4 Y/O on math facts. Hard to be upset. Somewhat off-topic but is the "seven habits" a widespread focus in early education? My kids school is all about the seven habits starting in preschool. |
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True. But from what I've seen, Common Core make it so complicated that NOBODY can do math. Not the way they want it done. Quoted:
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Not every student's brain understands math concepts exactly the same. Some respond better to different methods of solving problems than most of us were taught. True. But from what I've seen, Common Core make it so complicated that NOBODY can do math. Not the way they want it done. Common core has NOTHING to do with HOW material is taught. |
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Quoted: Yeah I'd be concerned too. In my school district they seem to be doing really well at teaching math facts and approaching it from many different angles. My first grader can do traditional long addition/subtraction, and can also do 3 and 4 digit addition/subtraction in her head. She wants to be a teacher when she grows up and spends a lot of time drilling my 4 Y/O on math facts. Hard to be upset. Somewhat off-topic but is the "seven habits" a widespread focus in early education? My kids school is all about the seven habits starting in preschool. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The stuff people refer to as common core math are visual representations of the ways people do math in their head. Some are better than others, but none of them can really capture the mental process. The idea is to get kids to understand that process. If a teacher doesn't understand that process well (not all adults do mental math at all) they'll be really bad at teaching it. I don't have any problem with it being taught, so long as traditional methods are taught as well. The problem I have noticed with my second grader is that they can only fit eight or nine of these word problems onto one assignment sheet. After two+ months of second grade he still hasn't learned simple math facts. What I mean by this is if I ask anybody coming from a generation without CC what 5+5 is, you don't even have to think of the answer, you know it immediately. When we were kids we had math assignments that had 50+ math problems on it, and you did that stuff until it was drilled into you. If I ask my son what 5+5 is I have to give him a word problem and he has to think through it. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. In fact, it makes good sense. But at the end of the day using their CC curriculum, he is not learning what we learned. We started printing old style math sheets full of problems for him to work on at home to bridge that gap. Yeah I'd be concerned too. In my school district they seem to be doing really well at teaching math facts and approaching it from many different angles. My first grader can do traditional long addition/subtraction, and can also do 3 and 4 digit addition/subtraction in her head. She wants to be a teacher when she grows up and spends a lot of time drilling my 4 Y/O on math facts. Hard to be upset. Somewhat off-topic but is the "seven habits" a widespread focus in early education? My kids school is all about the seven habits starting in preschool. |
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My kid brought home some of that whacked-out shit and I was hard-pressed to help her figure it out. I was like "What's wrong with doing it the way I learned?" My wife is a teacher and, while admitting that it is extremely weird to most of us, it really works with some students. Rumors around the school district say that some people are of the opinion that math no longer needs to be taught at all, since there is universal access to technology that can do it for us. So, taking this reasoning to its logical conclusion means: we should soon be able to do away with schools altogether, at least for those who can use their "universal access" to successfully tap into YOUTUBE. Here's your diploma, see ya. |
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We're having to start it at our school because there are no actual adults that live with many of our children. Many of our kids live with grown children and lack any sort of social cohesiveness. Quoted:
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Somewhat off-topic but is the "seven habits" a widespread focus in early education? My kids school is all about the seven habits starting in preschool. Hmm. I was curious if it's something they just do in public schools these days or it's a choice my particular administrators made. It's a major focus at my kids school, they get daily class-dojo reports on how well they practice the seven habits, sing songs about the seven habits, it just seems like a lot. Can't say I have any problem with the results I'm seeing. |
| I'm dealing with first grade math. What kind of homework requires the parents to read out most of the student's problem because it's above the reading level of the student it's geared for. I swear this shit is made to piss off parents and frustrate kids more than anything |