Posted: 11/2/2014 11:51:52 AM EDT
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I understand that a vote for a Libertarian (Lib) splits the vote, but what are the main differences in their views verse Rep.
Why does GD hate Libertarians so much. |
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So the first two are not any of my business.. how does foreign policy differ. Assume Lib wants to say F off, that's your problem, which I tilt my hat fedora at. Quoted:
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Gay marriage, drugs, and foreign policy. So the first two are not any of my business.. how does foreign policy differ. Assume Lib wants to say F off, that's your problem, which I tilt my hat fedora at. |
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GD hates Libertarians for the same reason it hates atheists. Both point out (loudly) areas where "traditional conservative" can equal. DERP. Understood. Freedom to do what we want as long as we believe/practice their views.. And they want me to vote with them. |
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Libertarians expect to be accepted as serious people with serious ideas, yet they either run candidates who were failed Republicans or ridiculous home grown talent. Until they can move beyond a booth at a gun show or claiming intellectual superiority on the Internet, no one will care. Running an actual competitive campaign is hard and having to debate with real live humans requires effort. The Libertarian Party is a joke that quit being funny decades ago. Here is a perfect example of why libertarians are no taken seriously. This is the LP candidate for U.S. Senate in NC:  He is a 54 year old pizza delivery man who is anti-war, in favor of abortion through the 3rd trimester, once sold merchandise for Greenpeace, and in favor of open borders, and, shockingly, admits to marijuana use...currently. He has never held a serious job nor held any real political office, yet the LP made him their candidate for Senate. He is to the left of the Democrats on most issues whenever he finds enough concentration to make a statement that could be construed as a coherent thought. Sadly, he is the walking, talking caricature of what most of us evil, statist, bible-thumping Conservatives think Libertarians are. For comparison, this is the Republican nominee Thom Tillis: Thom is the 53 year old Speaker of the House of North Carolina. Before entering politics, he was a partner within PriceWaterhouseCoopers. He has been a member of the state legislature since 2006 and was the leader of the movement that led North Carolina's state government to switch to Republican control for the first time...ever. He is a legitimate candidate with a serious background running a legitimate campaign. |
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Quoted: GD hates Libertarians for the same reason it hates atheists. Both point out (loudly) areas where "traditional conservative" can equal. DERP. No, it's that I am sick and tired of watching Democrats win election after election where they should have lost, but because some dipshit libertarian decided to run and split the right-wing vote the Democrat won. You never see Green party candidates on the Left do this ever since the 2000 election. But Libertarians keep doing it, and the Democrats eagerly contribute to their campaigns because they know Libertarian = GOP loss in the election. If you haven't noticed, when Democrats get power awful things start to happen because they're essentially a criminal enterprise. If you vote for nothing else, vote to keep these bastards like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Frank, Reid, Eric Holder, et al out of power. They are horrible people and they fuck everything up they touch. Remember that financial collapse we had a few years back? That wasn't George Bush's fault. That calamity was the end result of Democrats demanding banks lend money to people who could not afford houses. I'm serious as a heart attack, catastrophic problems come directly from the actions of Democrats in power. What good does "voting your conscience" do for you when it helps put hardcore statists into power? |
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Top 5 priorities of the Libertarian Party: 1. Legalize marijuana 2. Legalize marijuana 3. Legalize marijuana 4. Open borders <Where did I put my joint?> 5. Legalize marijuana This makes me sad. So the Right boils it all down to being able to smoke pot? I'd like to boil it down to "leave me alone" |
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Serious answer, this is the real fundamental difference between the philosophies.
liberals embrace moral hazard and collective moral responsibility for outcomes. conservatives embrace moral hazard and reject taking collective moral responsibility for outcomes. libertarians reject moral hazard and collective moral responsibility for outcomes. The parties are a completely different question. |
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This makes me sad. So the Right boils it all down to being able to smoke pot? I'd like to boil it down to "leave me alone" Quoted:
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Top 5 priorities of the Libertarian Party: 1. Legalize marijuana 2. Legalize marijuana 3. Legalize marijuana 4. Open borders <Where did I put my joint?> 5. Legalize marijuana This makes me sad. So the Right boils it all down to being able to smoke pot? I'd like to boil it down to "leave me alone" To be fair, I like some libertarian ideas, but 90% of the time I talk to a real live Libertarian, they just want to talk to me about legalizing marijuana. To the OP: Libertarians would generally shrink the size and role of the US Military, open the borders, end the welfare state, end the war on drugs, lower taxes and shrink the size and scope of government. Oh, and they'd let the gheys do whatever they want. 
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Nah. They're too busy hitting on that good weed. They only come out on election day, so we can lose elections to the communist party. Quoted:
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Somewhere in a cave...trolls are stirring. Nah. They're too busy hitting on that good weed. They only come out on election day, so we can lose elections to the communist party. 
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Quoted: Libertarians want to get elected and then leave you alone. We can't have that. Calling yourself a candidate for office and running a campaign based on real issues, organization, and voter contact are two entirely different things. Being snarky on the internet or carrying signs do not a campaign make. No one ever got elected simply by brushing the Cheetos out of their neckbeard or tipping their fedora in front of a mirror in the basement. |
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This makes me sad. So the Right boils it all down to being able to smoke pot? I'd like to boil it down to "leave me alone" Quoted:
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Top 5 priorities of the Libertarian Party: 1. Legalize marijuana 2. Legalize marijuana 3. Legalize marijuana 4. Open borders <Where did I put my joint?> 5. Legalize marijuana This makes me sad. So the Right boils it all down to being able to smoke pot? I'd like to boil it down to "leave me alone" The GOP would like you believe that they represent this too, but in reality most of them want to tell you what to do as well. |
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Why does GD hate Libertarians so much. Because they're annoying. They're the perpetual losers who whine constantly about how things "should" be, have grand plans about some Utopian end game, but not a single thought about how to accomplish those goals. Yeah, I get it. I hate freedom, the Ronstitution, liberty. You love freedom, liberty, the Ronstitution. Good for you. |
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The Libertarian party is very different from most libertarians, just as the Republican party is very different from most republicans.
I think of myself as a libertarian, but I am more like a libertarian leaning republican which is basically a republican who doesn't care who you fuck and really does want a small government. |
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"This has all happened before, and it will happen again." I'm beginning to think Battlestar Galactica was a metaphor for GD. What are the chances we reach a consensus or solve this question once and for all, in THIS thread? I think if that where ever done a tear in spacetime would loop us all back to 1999. |
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The GOP would like you believe that they represent this too, but in reality most of them want to tell you what to do as well. Quoted:
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Top 5 priorities of the Libertarian Party: 1. Legalize marijuana 2. Legalize marijuana 3. Legalize marijuana 4. Open borders <Where did I put my joint?> 5. Legalize marijuana This makes me sad. So the Right boils it all down to being able to smoke pot? I'd like to boil it down to "leave me alone" The GOP would like you believe that they represent this too, but in reality most of them want to tell you what to do as well. My first contact with a Libertarian was in 1978. He was all about legalizing marijuana. I have spoken to at least a dozen other Libertarians over the years and the conversation invariably turns to their desire to legalize marijuana. |
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There are many differences. Typical Libertarian beliefs:
Government should be limited to protecting the the negative rights recognized by the constitution. It is not the governments job to protect you from stupid decisions and moral hazards. Recognize that government is force; arbitrary allocation of the power to use force creates corruption and injustice. Thus most of the following list should go away: Commercial regulation and licensing Laws that create victimless crimes (like prostitution or drugs) Social engineering laws (like affirmative action, funding arts, etc) Whole government departments like Education, USDA, etc The central bank, import export bank, etc. Progressive taxation I am certain I have missed a lot but at least this is some sort of attempt to answer your question. Essentially it recognizes that individual rights should be the most important thing to government and it's job is to protect them. Things like protecting life, liberality, and property; you know, the Constitution. |
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http://www.trailblazercoaching.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/5.jpg http://www.trailblazercoaching.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/4.jpg Based on Jonathan Haidt. Fantastic Reason video of Haidt on this topic:
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The primary goal of the Libertarian is to eliminate the gains of the progressive movement over the last century. The primary goal of a Republican is to protect as many of the gains of the progressive movement over the last century as possible without damaging their credibility (lol) as the party of small government amongst their useful idiots. |
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Quoted: The primary goal of the Libertarian is to eliminate the gains of the progressive movement over the last century. The primary goal of a Republican is to protect as many of the gains of the progressive movement over the last century as possible without damaging their credibility (lol) as the party of small government amongst their useful idiots. That hypocrisy needs to be removed from the Republican Party's platform. It's laughable.
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Quoted: Because they're annoying. They're the perpetual losers who whine constantly about how things "should" be, have grand plans about some Utopian end game, but not a single thought about how to accomplish those goals. Yeah, I get it. I hate freedom, the Ronstitution, liberty. You love freedom, liberty, the Ronstitution. Good for you. Quoted: Quoted: Why does GD hate Libertarians so much. Because they're annoying. They're the perpetual losers who whine constantly about how things "should" be, have grand plans about some Utopian end game, but not a single thought about how to accomplish those goals. Yeah, I get it. I hate freedom, the Ronstitution, liberty. You love freedom, liberty, the Ronstitution. Good for you. lawl
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The main difference in my eyes, is not where they may, or may not, differ on issues, but at which level of government is best suited
to deal with those questions. Republicans (and Democrats), no matter what the issue, from the gallons per flush your toilet gets to the size of lettering on the side of a truck, both believe that the highest level of government is most appropriate to address these issues. One rule from sea to shining sea. Libertarians understand that people in different locales, with different heritages and different cultures, might, just might, have different solutions. |
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Quoted: Libertarians expect to be accepted as serious people with serious ideas, yet they either run candidates who were failed Republicans or ridiculous home grown talent. Until they can move beyond a booth at a gun show or claiming intellectual superiority on the Internet, no one will care. Running an actual competitive campaign is hard and having to debate with real live humans requires effort. The Libertarian Party is a joke that quit being funny decades ago. Here is a perfect example of why libertarians are no taken seriously. This is the LP candidate for U.S. Senate in NC:  http://youtu.be/m16_07Y_Z2gHe is a 54 year old pizza delivery man who is anti-war, in favor of abortion through the 3rd trimester, once sold merchandise for Greenpeace, and in favor of open borders, and, shockingly, admits to marijuana use...currently. He has never held a serious job nor held any real political office, yet the LP made him their candidate for Senate. He is to the left of the Democrats on most issues whenever he finds enough concentration to make a statement that could be construed as a coherent thought. Sadly, he is the walking, talking caricature of what most of us evil, statist, bible-thumping Conservatives think Libertarians are. For comparison, this is the Republican nominee Thom Tillis: http://youtu.be/yqkN-OlzeNIThom is the 53 year old Speaker of the House of North Carolina. Before entering politics, he was a partner within PriceWaterhouseCoopers. He has been a member of the state legislature since 2006 and was the leader of the movement that led North Carolina's state government to switch to Republican control for the first time...ever. He is a legitimate candidate with a serious background running a legitimate campaign. |
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There you have it. |
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Is there really a Libertarian Party? Sure, people call themselves Libertarian but come on, After Clinton, both Bushes, and the biggest affront to personal freedom Obama, they cant get one candidate elected? That "party" has been around for over 40 years and has never had a candidate succeed in the US House, Senate or the Presidency. I seriously have no idea what the point is in identifying as a Libertarian. |
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The answer is simple.
Libertarians and (Conservative) Republicans are similar. Both believe in the Constitution as the law of the land. The problem lies with: 1. Batshit libertarians that hyper-focus on social issues (pot) or stupid foreign policy (Ron Paul - "Why shouldn't Iran have nukes?") 2. RINO's that want big government as much as the libtards they'll just throw out a tax cut once in a while to appease the base. Libertarians and Constitutional Conservatives need to find common ground, and candidates we can both endorse. That doesn't happen often, Rand Paul maybe? Regardless on whether the two groups have a candidate they can both agree with, they first must ALWAYS focus on not allowing the libtards to win. If Republicans are in charge it will be far easier to get libertarian candidates into office. |