[ARCHIVED THREAD] - POF MP5 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/11/2014 12:04:58 AM EDT
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Are these worth the money? Or for $1500 should I be looking elsewhere? Would like a MP5 type and it's in my price range.
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 |
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I think it all comes down to whether or not you think it's worth it.
I would love to have an MP5 or clone thereof, but for me that price point makes it not worth it. I firmly believe that one of the main reasons subguns have become "obsolete" in LE is because of the prices. Especially for the terminal ballistics results compared to cheaper harder hitting platforms like ARs. Personally, I'd have no problem running an MP5 or other reliable subgun for HD or LE situations. However, for me it all comes back to the price. |
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Considering it's less than the cost of a shit clone and was made in a real HK licensed factory, I'm of the opinion that it is the best deal you will ever find. And perfect for an SBR. Shit clone, you say? More than 1 guy has gotten a POF that is so twisted out of shape that they couldn't charge the firearm. If you're gonna buy one, use Atlantic Firearms and ask them to hand pick one that is in great shape. For $1500, that's a nice place to start for an MP5 clone. You'll never be satisfied with 1 MP5 clone! 
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My buddy scored a K for a great deal. It is really good. The finish is "OK" but it runs great. He is going to Form 1 it and possibly Cerakote it. Tell him to strip the rubber and plastic and bake it in the oven. Several folks have cured the finish that way. |
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I think it all comes down to whether or not you think it's worth it. I would love to have an MP5 or clone thereof, but for me that price point makes it not worth it. I firmly believe that one of the main reasons subguns have become "obsolete" in LE is because of the prices. Especially for the terminal ballistics results compared to cheaper harder hitting platforms like ARs. Personally, I'd have no problem running an MP5 or other reliable subgun for HD or LE situations. However, for me it all comes back to the price. 
A 9mm AR-15 or MP5 aren't going to be very different from their rifle caliber variants price wise. What you pay on the civilian market isn't what LE/military pays. For example, a SIG rifle is only a bit more than an AR although SIG/SAN charges about $2500 USD for them on the civie market. |
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Are these worth the money? Or for $1500 should I be looking elsewhere? Would like a MP5 type and it's in my price range. https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/9mm-pistol-detail.html?Itemid=0 The MAC vid in that link. WTF? He apparently doesn't know you need to put a fixed barrel spacer on your silencer with a Nielsen device. Watch the suppressor move. |
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I'm interested in an MP5 clone, but really just cannot justify the price point of the POF clone based on the small sampling of what I have read with regards to the finish and some other negative threads I've seen..
Given that it's made in Pakistan for dirt cheap, $1500.00 seems like highway robbery... |
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Quoted: I'm interested in an MP5 clone, but really just cannot justify the price point of the POF clone based on the small sampling of what I have read with regards to the finish and some other negative threads I've seen.. Given that it's made in Pakistan for dirt cheap, $1500.00 seems like highway robbery... The $1500 price point is, presumably, based on the $2000 clones. The $2000 clones cost $2000 because of the rarity of parts kits for assembling them. When the firearms are being imported from a fucking factory, the rarity of parts kits is irrelevant. So...yeah...the $1500 price point is fucking retarded and I won't pay it. |
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The $1500 price point is, presumably, based on the $2000 clones. The $2000 clones cost $2000 because of the rarity of parts kits for assembling them. When the firearms are being imported from a fucking factory, the rarity of parts kits is irrelevant. So...yeah...the $1500 price point is fucking retarded and I won't pay it. Quoted:
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I'm interested in an MP5 clone, but really just cannot justify the price point of the POF clone based on the small sampling of what I have read with regards to the finish and some other negative threads I've seen.. Given that it's made in Pakistan for dirt cheap, $1500.00 seems like highway robbery... The $1500 price point is, presumably, based on the $2000 clones. The $2000 clones cost $2000 because of the rarity of parts kits for assembling them. When the firearms are being imported from a fucking factory, the rarity of parts kits is irrelevant. So...yeah...the $1500 price point is fucking retarded and I won't pay it. "Me Too!" pricing. If they were < $1k, I'd have already bought one. A the current price point, I think I'll wait until the MPX comes out. |
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"Me Too!" pricing. If they were < $1k, I'd have already bought one. A the current price point, I think I'll wait until the MPX comes out. Quoted:
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I'm interested in an MP5 clone, but really just cannot justify the price point of the POF clone based on the small sampling of what I have read with regards to the finish and some other negative threads I've seen.. Given that it's made in Pakistan for dirt cheap, $1500.00 seems like highway robbery... The $1500 price point is, presumably, based on the $2000 clones. The $2000 clones cost $2000 because of the rarity of parts kits for assembling them. When the firearms are being imported from a fucking factory, the rarity of parts kits is irrelevant. So...yeah...the $1500 price point is fucking retarded and I won't pay it. "Me Too!" pricing. If they were < $1k, I'd have already bought one. A the current price point, I think I'll wait until the MPX comes out. yep |
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A 9mm AR-15 or MP5 aren't going to be very different from their rifle caliber variants price wise. What you pay on the civilian market isn't what LE/military pays. For example, a SIG rifle is only a bit more than an AR although SIG/SAN charges about $2500 USD for them on the civie market. Quoted:
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I think it all comes down to whether or not you think it's worth it. I would love to have an MP5 or clone thereof, but for me that price point makes it not worth it. I firmly believe that one of the main reasons subguns have become "obsolete" in LE is because of the prices. Especially for the terminal ballistics results compared to cheaper harder hitting platforms like ARs. Personally, I'd have no problem running an MP5 or other reliable subgun for HD or LE situations. However, for me it all comes back to the price.
A 9mm AR-15 or MP5 aren't going to be very different from their rifle caliber variants price wise. What you pay on the civilian market isn't what LE/military pays. For example, a SIG rifle is only a bit more than an AR although SIG/SAN charges about $2500 USD for them on the civie market. So if it's $2500 for LE, how much do they charge for military?
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I'm interested in an MP5 clone, but really just cannot justify the price point of the POF clone based on the small sampling of what I have read with regards to the finish and some other negative threads I've seen.. Given that it's made in Pakistan for dirt cheap, $1500.00 seems like highway robbery... The $1500 price point is, presumably, based on the $2000 clones. The $2000 clones cost $2000 because of the rarity of parts kits for assembling them. When the firearms are being imported from a fucking factory, the rarity of parts kits is irrelevant. So...yeah...the $1500 price point is fucking retarded and I won't pay it. "Me Too!" pricing. If they were < $1k, I'd have already bought one. A the current price point, I think I'll wait until the MPX comes out. yep Same here. I'd love to have an MP-5 clone, but the reason I haven't bought a POF is the same reason I never bought any of the domestically built clones - they cost way too much for what would really just be a range toy. Hopefully, once they're more established and the "new hotness" factor wears off, the prices will come down to something more reasonable. |
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Same here. I'd love to have an MP-5 clone, but the reason I haven't bought a POF is the same reason I never bought any of the domestically built clones - they cost way too much for what would really just be a range toy. Hopefully, once they're more established and the "new hotness" factor wears off, the prices will come down to something more reasonable. Quoted:
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I'm interested in an MP5 clone, but really just cannot justify the price point of the POF clone based on the small sampling of what I have read with regards to the finish and some other negative threads I've seen.. Given that it's made in Pakistan for dirt cheap, $1500.00 seems like highway robbery... The $1500 price point is, presumably, based on the $2000 clones. The $2000 clones cost $2000 because of the rarity of parts kits for assembling them. When the firearms are being imported from a fucking factory, the rarity of parts kits is irrelevant. So...yeah...the $1500 price point is fucking retarded and I won't pay it. "Me Too!" pricing. If they were < $1k, I'd have already bought one. A the current price point, I think I'll wait until the MPX comes out. yep Same here. I'd love to have an MP-5 clone, but the reason I haven't bought a POF is the same reason I never bought any of the domestically built clones - they cost way too much for what would really just be a range toy. Hopefully, once they're more established and the "new hotness" factor wears off, the prices will come down to something more reasonable. seems odd to me that I can get a 91, 93 or 53 clone for 700-800 but a 94 which is smaller cost double or more. |
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Shit clone, you say? More than 1 guy has gotten a POF that is so twisted out of shape that they couldn't charge the firearm. If you're gonna buy one, use Atlantic Firearms and ask them to hand pick one that is in great shape. For $1500, that's a nice place to start for an MP5 clone. You'll never be satisfied with 1 MP5 clone! Quoted:
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Considering it's less than the cost of a shit clone and was made in a real HK licensed factory, I'm of the opinion that it is the best deal you will ever find. And perfect for an SBR. Shit clone, you say? More than 1 guy has gotten a POF that is so twisted out of shape that they couldn't charge the firearm. If you're gonna buy one, use Atlantic Firearms and ask them to hand pick one that is in great shape. For $1500, that's a nice place to start for an MP5 clone. You'll never be satisfied with 1 MP5 clone! Beat me to it! |
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because it has the letters H&K in front of it...... no other reason.... Quoted:
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why are they so much? because it has the letters H&K in front of it...... no other reason.... Lol, no. No they don't. They're priced that way because they sell like hot cakes at that price. Maybe if/as the market saturates the price will drop. MKE's were about $1100 or so before they became scarce, IIRC. |
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I just hope this is as reliable as the videos make it out to be. 9mm ARs are pretty damn finicky. When you find one that works you have to marry it. Otherwise it's a frustrating hunt. i haven't had a finicky 9mm AR. you have to use good parts that being said my DOE works great. 
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I own several POF5 MP5 and ordered a POF-5 MP5K. The POF-5 MP5 runs flawless and is very accurate. HK license not a garage built clone. They have the cool feature of a push pin lower. These are the real deal MP5 submachine guns that have a small metal tab tack welded in the receiver, a semi auto bolt group and a S E metal lower to make them civilian legal. The top is even marked MP5. The manual that comes with the gun is for a MP5 submachine gun.
You can even buy an arm brace for it that folds. No SBR needed! Meaning you can carry it in your vehicle, on your person and across state lines legally. These have sold out within days every time they have come to the USA market. The only downside is the paint is not fully cured for some reason. |
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Quoted: I just hope this is as reliable as the videos make it out to be. 9mm ARs are pretty damn finicky. When you find one that works you have to marry it. Otherwise it's a frustrating hunt. Reliability isn't my issue so far. Its been very reliable, but it has other issues. I think I have a canted sight issue. Rear sight all the way to the right and still shot slightly left. I tweaked the front a little and now it shoots point of aim with the rear sight maxed out. But....it doesn't shoot point of aim suppressed, because the 3lug barrel doesnt seem to be in spec and the 3 lug does not lock up solid, nor is concentric. I have not shot it with a 3 lug can on it, and don't plan on it. So, I have a fixed thread adapter and while it looks concentric enough to shoot, it throws the POI up and to the left approx 5". it also opens up the group significantly. After careful investigation, its SLIGHTLY off. No baffle strikes, but I'm sure that the slight cant to the threads is whats causing my POI issue. Can shoots fine on multiple hosts (including 9mm AR). So....It is cool, reliable and fun to shoot, but mine is not without issues. |
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Honestly, I think that's pretty cheap. An HK94 conversion is like $6500 or some madness Quoted:
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why are they so much? Honestly, I think that's pretty cheap. An HK94 conversion is like $6500 or some madness That's not an answer; besides supply/demand, the fact that mk18s exist as well as. 8.2" .300blks And hk hates you Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I'd echo what people are saying... high prices will limit buyers. If you want market penetration, lower the price.
I bet those things cost maybe a couple hundred bucks to make, tops. They could sell fucktons at a much lower price, and still profit adequately. With the MPX coming out soon, which by all marks will be a pretty good PCC, priced around $1500... POF gotta compete. Lower prices will help. I'd like to get either an MP5 or an MPX. For $1500, it's the MPX. If the MP5 were considerably cheaper... I might go that route. I already have a GSG-522, so the MP5 would feel very close to the same. |
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i haven't had a finicky 9mm AR. you have to use good parts that being said my DOE works great. Quoted:
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I just hope this is as reliable as the videos make it out to be. 9mm ARs are pretty damn finicky. When you find one that works you have to marry it. Otherwise it's a frustrating hunt. i haven't had a finicky 9mm AR. you have to use good parts that being said my DOE works great. ditto...i have both a RRA and Colt 9 mm AR...no issues with either. |