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8/3/2014 1:44:32 PM EDT
Scenario happens in this order:

Runner on 3rd base.  2 outs.  Batter bunts down the first base line, but a bit too far.  1st baseman gets the ball.  Runner on 3rd base crosses home plate.  1st baseman tags out the batter between home and first.

Does the run count?
8/3/2014 1:46:13 PM EDT
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Run does not count.
8/3/2014 1:46:53 PM EDT
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No run.
8/3/2014 1:48:31 PM EDT
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No, force out.  Same thing if it was a pop fly to the outfield and the runner on third crossed the plate before the ball was caught.
8/3/2014 1:48:39 PM EDT
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Nope. The run only counts if the batter gets on base via hit, walk,error, etc.
8/3/2014 1:48:56 PM EDT
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Doesn't count. That's why you take the easy out at 1st instead of trying to get the 3rd base runner.
8/3/2014 1:49:18 PM EDT
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No run is scored by anyone if the batter fails to reach first base safely.
8/3/2014 1:49:21 PM EDT
[#7]
someone missed little league.   OP     hell no
8/3/2014 1:51:41 PM EDT
[#8]
A soccer option in a baseball thread?

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Run does not count
8/3/2014 1:54:26 PM EDT
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Why is this an argument?
8/3/2014 2:00:19 PM EDT
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Looks like I'm wrong, then.  My thought process was:

A force out is when a runner has to go to a base, and you tag the base before the runner gets to said base.  So the pop fly with the runner not returning to a base is an example, as is the "force at 1st" in the above scenario.

But anytime a runner is tagged while off of a base, it is no longer a force out as the runner was tagged.  I'm amazed that in my baseball career I have NEVER seen this scenario play out.  It actually just happened in kickball where a very, very slow girl "batting" was so slow that the runner crossed home before the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

Consider a different scenario:

Runner on 1st and 3rd, two outs.  Batter hits ball to the 2nd baseman.  3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Batter reaches 1st base.  2nd baseman tags the runner that was on 1st.

Run still doesn't count in this scenario?
8/3/2014 2:00:19 PM EDT
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- Double click -
8/3/2014 2:16:12 PM EDT
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There are 23 ways to reach first base. He has to use at least one of them.
8/3/2014 2:19:42 PM EDT
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Looks like I'm wrong, then.  My thought process was:

A force out is when a runner has to go to a base, and you tag the base before the runner gets to said base.  So the pop fly with the runner not returning to a base is an example, as is the "force at 1st" in the above scenario.

But anytime a runner is tagged while off of a base, it is no longer a force out as the runner was tagged.  I'm amazed that in my baseball career I have NEVER seen this scenario play out.  It actually just happened in kickball where a very, very slow girl "batting" was so slow that the runner crossed home before the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

Consider a different scenario:

Runner on 1st and 3rd, two outs.  Batter hits ball to the 2nd baseman.  3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Batter reaches 1st base.  2nd baseman tags the runner that was on 1st.

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Once the runner reaches first base, the runner that was on first base is still forced to second(two runners can not occupy the same base).  A similar scenario that would make it NOT a force out would be if there was a runner on first and second, and they got threw to first base to get the out before trying to get the runner that was on first out.  At that point, they would have to tag the runner(and any run that scored in the run down of said runner would count).  However, that would be a moot point since both of your scenarios had two outs anyways.
8/3/2014 2:20:44 PM EDT
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The batter/runner is forced to run to first. The defense can choose throw the ball to first to 'force' the runner out, or choose to tag the runner out. Neither play changes the fact that the runner is forced to run to first.

Your second scenario is the same concept.
8/3/2014 2:27:10 PM EDT
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Consider a different scenario:





Runner on 1st and 3rd, two outs.  Batter hits ball to the 2nd baseman.  3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Batter reaches 1st base.  2nd baseman tags the runner that was on 1st.





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edit: misread that. The batter must reach first base safely.





A more likely scenario where would be this: Men at first and third, two outs. Man on first is picked off trying to steal second, and the runner at third heads home. If the runner scores before the guy stealing second is out (either straight steal or rundown) the runner at third scores.





 
8/3/2014 2:30:14 PM EDT
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Yes the run would score in that scenario. The runner must reach first base safely.

A more likely scenario where would be this: Men at first and third, two outs. Man on first is picked off trying to steal second, and the runner at third heads home. If the runner scores before the guy stealing second is out (either straight steal or rundown) the runner at third scores.
 
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Consider a different scenario:

Runner on 1st and 3rd, two outs.  Batter hits ball to the 2nd baseman.  3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Batter reaches 1st base.  2nd baseman tags the runner that was on 1st.

Run still doesn't count in this scenario?
Yes the run would score in that scenario. The runner must reach first base safely.

A more likely scenario where would be this: Men at first and third, two outs. Man on first is picked off trying to steal second, and the runner at third heads home. If the runner scores before the guy stealing second is out (either straight steal or rundown) the runner at third scores.
 


It still wouldn't count.  If the runner reaches first, the runner that was on first is forced to second.  There can only be one offensive player per base.  The only way something like that could score is if there was one out, they threw to first to get the force out (and now that first base isn't occupied by the batter, there is no other force out) and they catch the runner that was on first in a pickle, while the runner that was on third comes home. If the runner crossed home plate before the runner was tagged out between first and second, the run would count since it was not a force out.
8/3/2014 2:32:51 PM EDT
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8/3/2014 2:34:00 PM EDT
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Or a balk.
8/3/2014 2:34:27 PM EDT
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Um.... no.
8/3/2014 2:34:54 PM EDT
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Anyone that said yes is doing it wrong.
8/3/2014 2:36:42 PM EDT
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Or possibly people that umpired games I was in several years ago.
8/3/2014 2:37:14 PM EDT
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It still wouldn't count.  If the runner reaches first, the runner that was on first is forced to second.  There can only be one offensive player per base.  The only way something like that could score is if there was one out, they threw to first to get the force out (and now that first base isn't occupied by the batter, there is no other force out) and they catch the runner that was on first in a pickle, while the runner that was on third comes home. If the runner crossed home plate before the runner was tagged out between first and second, the run would count since it was not a force out.
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Consider a different scenario:



Runner on 1st and 3rd, two outs.  Batter hits ball to the 2nd baseman.  3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Batter reaches 1st base.  2nd baseman tags the runner that was on 1st.



Run still doesn't count in this scenario?
Yes the run would score in that scenario. The runner must reach first base safely.



A more likely scenario where would be this: Men at first and third, two outs. Man on first is picked off trying to steal second, and the runner at third heads home. If the runner scores before the guy stealing second is out (either straight steal or rundown) the runner at third scores.

 




It still wouldn't count.  If the runner reaches first, the runner that was on first is forced to second.  There can only be one offensive player per base.  The only way something like that could score is if there was one out, they threw to first to get the force out (and now that first base isn't occupied by the batter, there is no other force out) and they catch the runner that was on first in a pickle, while the runner that was on third comes home. If the runner crossed home plate before the runner was tagged out between first and second, the run would count since it was not a force out.
I misread the scenario horribly as the batter somehow trying to advance to second (most likely on an error) since any second baseman would simply toss it to first rather than apply a tag.



 
8/3/2014 2:46:35 PM EDT
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Looks like I'm wrong, then.  My thought process was:

A force out is when a runner has to go to a base, and you tag the base before the runner gets to said base.  So the pop fly with the runner not returning to a base is an example, as is the "force at 1st" in the above scenario.

But anytime a runner is tagged while off of a base, it is no longer a force out as the runner was tagged.  I'm amazed that in my baseball career I have NEVER seen this scenario play out.  It actually just happened in kickball where a very, very slow girl "batting" was so slow that the runner crossed home before the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

Consider a different scenario:

Runner on 1st and 3rd, two outs.  Batter hits ball to the 2nd baseman.  3rd base runner crosses home plate.  Batter reaches 1st base.  2nd baseman tags the runner that was on 1st.

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Correct. No run
8/3/2014 2:47:24 PM EDT
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Um.... no.


No what?

8/3/2014 2:48:45 PM EDT
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Nope. No run.  Force is at first.
8/3/2014 2:49:51 PM EDT
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8/3/2014 2:58:31 PM EDT
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For full disclosure, this is stemming from a kickball game a few nights ago.

I have very little confidence in the umps because of a call at the beginning of the season in the following scenario:

Runner on 1st.  1 out.  "Batter" hit a ground ball to first.  The runner we had on first is a Spanish girl who doesn't understand baseball too well, and she stayed on 1st base.  The "batter" was tagged out between home and first by the first baseman.  The dipshit umpire then told our runner that was on 1st that she HAD to run to 2nd base after the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.  So the girl tried to run to 2nd and the other team got her out on the way to 2nd.

The umpire contended that it was a force out.  Which of course I argued that it was no longer a force out since the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

2 "baseball" people on my team agreed with the umpire.
8/3/2014 2:59:19 PM EDT
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This.

Not on a force out.
8/3/2014 2:59:47 PM EDT
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8/3/2014 3:02:46 PM EDT
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For full disclosure, this is stemming from a kickball game a few nights ago.

I have very little confidence in the umps because of a call at the beginning of the season in the following scenario:

Runner on 1st.  1 out.  "Batter" hit a ground ball to first.  The runner we had on first is a Spanish girl who doesn't understand baseball too well, and she stayed on 1st base.  The "batter" was tagged out between home and first by the first baseman.  The dipshit umpire then told our runner that was on 1st that she HAD to run to 2nd base after the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.  So the girl tried to run to 2nd and the other team got her out on the way to 2nd.

The umpire contended that it was a force out.  Which of course I argued that it was no longer a force out since the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

2 "baseball" people on my team agreed with the umpire.
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Once first base is out for the batter, it no longer becomes a force out situation and the runner is not forced to run.

You need to contact whomever is in charge of this "kickball league" and let them know that one of their umpires is a fucking moron.
8/3/2014 3:03:19 PM EDT
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For full disclosure, this is stemming from a kickball game a few nights ago.

I have very little confidence in the umps because of a call at the beginning of the season in the following scenario:

Runner on 1st.  1 out.  "Batter" hit a ground ball to first.  The runner we had on first is a Spanish girl who doesn't understand baseball too well, and she stayed on 1st base.  The "batter" was tagged out between home and first by the first baseman.  The dipshit umpire then told our runner that was on 1st that she HAD to run to 2nd base after the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.  So the girl tried to run to 2nd and the other team got her out on the way to 2nd.

The umpire contended that it was a force out.  Which of course I argued that it was no longer a force out since the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

2 "baseball" people on my team agreed with the umpire.
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Well, thank God you asked that completely different scenario first.
8/3/2014 3:23:51 PM EDT
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http://eephusleague.com/2011/01/23-ways-to-first/

1. Walk
This is simple enough. You are awarded first base if during an at bat you accumulate four balls.

2. Intentional Walk
If the opposing team deliberately walks you by throwing four pitches well outside the opposing batter’s box.

3. Hit By Pitch
If you are struck by a pitch during an at bat that you did not swing at, you are awarded first base.

4. Dropped Third Strike
If the third strike of an At Bat is misplayed you have the opportunity to run to first. IF you beat out the throw, it still counts as a strike out, but you are awarded first base.

5. Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
MLB Rule 8.04: “When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 20 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.”

6. Catcher’s interference
If any part of the catcher’s equipment interferes with the batter’s swing, it is ruled catcher’s interference and the batter gets first base.

7. Single
Finally, and easy one!

8. Fielder’s Choice
If you hit a ball in play and the defense chooses to get another runner out instead, you’re on first but you are not awarded with a hit.

9. Fielder Obstruction
If a fielder alters the running path of a baserunner or physically touches him when not in the process of fielding a ball, this is called obstruction.

10. Fielder’s Interference
Interference and obstruction are two different things. From what I gather, interference is more concerned with sneaky things like a catcher reaching out and touching a batter before a pitch is thrown, or if a fielder tried to do something to prevent a batter from hitting a pitch. I would imagine if the shortstop all the sudden did a triple roundoff as a pitch was being thrown he could be called for interference.

11. Spectator Interference
Spectator interference is when the presence of a fan hinders a fielder’s ability to catch a ball, such as a fan reaching out and touching a live ball in play.

12. Fan Obstruction
This one is pretty fuzzy to me, I’m not sure the difference between interference and obstruction when it comes to fans.

13. Force Out
If another runner is forced out at another base and you still reach first (yes, this is doubling up with #8.)

14. 4 Illegal Pitches in an At Bat
If a pitcher alters the ball (scratching, scuffing or using a foreign material to affect it) that pitch is declared an illegal pitch. 4 of these in an AB will get you first base. Further research suggests this might be scored as a walk.

15. Failed Sacrifice Bunt
Also related to #8. If you put down an intended sacrifice bunt and the runner in front of you is out instead of you, you’re on first, but you’re guilty of being a failure at the same time.

16. Dropped Sacrifice Fly
Basically the same thing as #20. If you hit a sacrifice that is misplayed you reach first but are not awarded a hit.

17. Fair Ball Hits Runner
If a fair ball hits a runner the runner is declared out.

18. Fair Ball hits Umpire
MLB Rule 5.09(f) Comment: “If a fair ball touches an umpire working in the infield after it has bounded past, or over, the pitcher, it is a dead ball. If a batted ball is deflected by a fielder in fair territory and hits a runner or an umpire while still in flight and then is caught by an infielder it shall not be a catch, but the ball shall remain in play.”

If it’s a dead ball that means the runners advance one base, to my understanding.

19. Runner called out on Appeal
I’m not sure how this can be correct, I can’t think of an instance where a runner would be called out on appeal yet you would be awarded a base.

20. Reached on Error
If you manage to reach first because of an error you don’t get credit for a hit, but you’re still on first.

21. Pinch Runner
If you replace a runner on first, you didn’t earn it, but you’re still standing on first, aren’t you?

22. Runner in front in Put Out
This is a twist on the Fielder’s choice that is specific to instances such as the runner ahead of you being tagged out.

23. Runner on first is replaced after a delay
This occurs if a player reaches first, the game is delayed, and the player is traded before the game can be made up.
8/3/2014 5:06:23 PM EDT
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Scenario happens in this order:

Runner on 3rd base.  2 outs.  Batter bunts down the first base line, but a bit too far.  1st baseman gets the ball.  Runner on 3rd base crosses home plate.  1st baseman tags out the batter between home and first.

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No run. Similar scenario occurred in 1908 between the Giants and Cubs, Giants had first and third with two outs in a tie game.  Giant batter hit a single that appeared to score the winning run.  However, the runner on first never touched second base after seeing the run cross the plate ran for his teammates around home plate. Cub outfielder tossed the ball to the second baseman who touched the bag and forced out the runner.  Inning over, no run scored.

Edit after seeing OPs completely different scenario:

Stupid runner standing on 1st is safe because no force out after the batter had been tagged running down the line.  Umpire was retarded.
8/3/2014 5:15:20 PM EDT
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For full disclosure, this is stemming from a kickball game a few nights ago.

I have very little confidence in the umps because of a call at the beginning of the season in the following scenario:

Runner on 1st.  1 out.  "Batter" hit a ground ball to first.  The runner we had on first is a Spanish girl who doesn't understand baseball too well, and she stayed on 1st base.  The "batter" was tagged out between home and first by the first baseman.  The dipshit umpire then told our runner that was on 1st that she HAD to run to 2nd base after the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.  So the girl tried to run to 2nd and the other team got her out on the way to 2nd.

The umpire contended that it was a force out.  Which of course I argued that it was no longer a force out since the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

2 "baseball" people on my team agreed with the umpire.
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In your scenario because the outs didn't happen in force out order (2nd to 1st) then the run would count assuming it crossed prior to the non-force at second.
8/3/2014 5:28:31 PM EDT
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In your scenario because the outs didn't happen in force out order (2nd to 1st) then the run would count assuming it crossed prior to the non-force at second.
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For full disclosure, this is stemming from a kickball game a few nights ago.

I have very little confidence in the umps because of a call at the beginning of the season in the following scenario:

Runner on 1st.  1 out.  "Batter" hit a ground ball to first.  The runner we had on first is a Spanish girl who doesn't understand baseball too well, and she stayed on 1st base.  The "batter" was tagged out between home and first by the first baseman.  The dipshit umpire then told our runner that was on 1st that she HAD to run to 2nd base after the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.  So the girl tried to run to 2nd and the other team got her out on the way to 2nd.

The umpire contended that it was a force out.  Which of course I argued that it was no longer a force out since the "batter" was tagged out between home and first.

2 "baseball" people on my team agreed with the umpire.


In your scenario because the outs didn't happen in force out order (2nd to 1st) then the run would count assuming it crossed prior to the non-force at second.


The above scenario didn't even involve a runner on 3rd or a potential "run".  The girl on 1st just froze and didn't go to 2nd.  They tagged the person out on their way to 1st.  And the umpire told the person who never went to 2nd that she had to go to 2nd now.  So the other team tagged 2nd and the umpire called her "out".

I was dumbfounded.  And then didn't trust anything the umps said afterwards, including the original scenario here in the OP.  But they were right about that one, it seems.  
9/8/2014 2:18:52 PM EDT
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#1 it's kickball.
#2 you're playing co-ed.

Neither of these scenarios are conducive to attracting top tier umpiring officials, probably not even middle tier. In fact, the officials you're getting are most likely the bottom of the bucket. It's like I have to tell some of the parents at my kids little league games, the umps out there aren't major league caliber. They're going to make a lot of wrong calls and they probably don't know all of the rules.

So if you're wanting some better officiating for your co-ed kickball league then you probably need to up the player fee a couple of hundred bucks a player and hire some professional officials.
9/8/2014 2:19:26 PM EDT
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How is this even a debate?
9/8/2014 2:23:04 PM EDT
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No but I had an umpire that said it counted. Bullshit.
9/8/2014 3:01:04 PM EDT
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There are 23 ways to reach first base. He has to use at least one of them.
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Dropped 3rd strike
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9/9/2014 11:27:44 AM EDT
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9/9/2014 1:12:04 PM EDT
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Umm...
9/9/2014 1:15:41 PM EDT
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Umm...


You can't steal first. You can advance to first if the third strike is not  caught by the catcher, but it is scored as a strike out and then an advance to first on a wild pitch/passed ball.

In order for the run to count with two outs, all base runners in a force play situation must arrive to the next base safely.

Anyway, the 23 ways you can advance to first base in baseball:

1. Walk
This is simple enough. You are awarded first base if during an at bat you accumulate four balls.

2. Intentional Walk
If the opposing team deliberately walks you by throwing four pitches well outside the opposing batter’s box.

3. Hit By Pitch
If you are struck by a pitch during an at bat that you did not swing at, you are awarded first base.

4. Dropped Third Strike
If the third strike of an At Bat is misplayed you have the opportunity to run to first. IF you beat out the throw, it still counts as a strike out, but you are awarded first base.

5. Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
MLB Rule 8.04: “When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 20 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.”

6. Catcher’s interference
If any part of the catcher’s equipment interferes with the batter’s swing, it is ruled catcher’s interference and the batter gets first base.

7. Single
Finally, and easy one!

8. Fielder’s Choice
If you hit a ball in play and the defense chooses to get another runner out instead, you’re on first but you are not awarded with a hit.

9. Fielder Obstruction
If a fielder alters the running path of a baserunner or physically touches him when not in the process of fielding a ball, this is called obstruction.

10. Fielder’s Interference
Interference and obstruction are two different things. From what I gather, interference is more concerned with sneaky things like a catcher reaching out and touching a batter before a pitch is thrown, or if a fielder tried to do something to prevent a batter from hitting a pitch. I would imagine if the shortstop all the sudden did a triple roundoff as a pitch was being thrown he could be called for interference.

11. Spectator Interference
Spectator interference is when the presence of a fan hinders a fielder’s ability to catch a ball, such as a fan reaching out and touching a live ball in play.

12. Fan Obstruction
This one is pretty fuzzy to me, I’m not sure the difference between interference and obstruction when it comes to fans.

13. Force Out
If another runner is forced out at another base and you still reach first (yes, this is doubling up with #8.)

14. 4 Illegal Pitches in an At Bat
If a pitcher alters the ball (scratching, scuffing or using a foreign material to affect it) that pitch is declared an illegal pitch. 4 of these in an AB will get you first base. Further research suggests this might be scored as a walk.

15. Failed Sacrifice Bunt
Also related to #8. If you put down an intended sacrifice bunt and the runner in front of you is out instead of you, you’re on first, but you’re guilty of being a failure at the same time.

16. Dropped Sacrifice Fly
Basically the same thing as #20. If you hit a sacrifice that is misplayed you reach first but are not awarded a hit.

17. Fair Ball Hits Runner
If a fair ball hits a runner the runner is declared out.

18. Fair Ball hits Umpire
MLB Rule 5.09(f) Comment: “If a fair ball touches an umpire working in the infield after it has bounded past, or over, the pitcher, it is a dead ball. If a batted ball is deflected by a fielder in fair territory and hits a runner or an umpire while still in flight and then is caught by an infielder it shall not be a catch, but the ball shall remain in play.”

If it’s a dead ball that means the runners advance one base, to my understanding.

19. Runner called out on Appeal
I’m not sure how this can be correct, I can’t think of an instance where a runner would be called out on appeal yet you would be awarded a base.

20. Reached on Error
If you manage to reach first because of an error you don’t get credit for a hit, but you’re still on first.

21. Pinch Runner
If you replace a runner on first, you didn’t earn it, but you’re still standing on first, aren’t you?

22. Runner in front in Put Out
This is a twist on the Fielder’s choice that is specific to instances such as the runner ahead of you being tagged out.

23. Runner on first is replaced after a delay
This occurs if a player reaches first, the game is delayed, and the player is traded before the game can be made up.

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Run does not count.
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You could steal first, from second base.
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You could steal first, from second base.


I've seen this happen in little league
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You can't steal first. You can advance to first if the third strike is not  caught by the catcher, but it is scored as a strike out and then an advance to first on a wild pitch/passed ball.

In order for the run to count with two outs, all base runners in a force play situation must arrive to the next base safely.

Anyway, the 23 ways you can advance to first base in baseball:

1. Walk
This is simple enough. You are awarded first base if during an at bat you accumulate four balls.

2. Intentional Walk
If the opposing team deliberately walks you by throwing four pitches well outside the opposing batter’s box.

3. Hit By Pitch
If you are struck by a pitch during an at bat that you did not swing at, you are awarded first base.

4. Dropped Third Strike
If the third strike of an At Bat is misplayed you have the opportunity to run to first. IF you beat out the throw, it still counts as a strike out, but you are awarded first base.

5. Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
MLB Rule 8.04: “When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 20 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.”

6. Catcher’s interference
If any part of the catcher’s equipment interferes with the batter’s swing, it is ruled catcher’s interference and the batter gets first base.

7. Single
Finally, and easy one!

8. Fielder’s Choice
If you hit a ball in play and the defense chooses to get another runner out instead, you’re on first but you are not awarded with a hit.

9. Fielder Obstruction
If a fielder alters the running path of a baserunner or physically touches him when not in the process of fielding a ball, this is called obstruction.

10. Fielder’s Interference
Interference and obstruction are two different things. From what I gather, interference is more concerned with sneaky things like a catcher reaching out and touching a batter before a pitch is thrown, or if a fielder tried to do something to prevent a batter from hitting a pitch. I would imagine if the shortstop all the sudden did a triple roundoff as a pitch was being thrown he could be called for interference.

11. Spectator Interference
Spectator interference is when the presence of a fan hinders a fielder’s ability to catch a ball, such as a fan reaching out and touching a live ball in play.

12. Fan Obstruction
This one is pretty fuzzy to me, I’m not sure the difference between interference and obstruction when it comes to fans.

13. Force Out
If another runner is forced out at another base and you still reach first (yes, this is doubling up with #8.)

14. 4 Illegal Pitches in an At Bat
If a pitcher alters the ball (scratching, scuffing or using a foreign material to affect it) that pitch is declared an illegal pitch. 4 of these in an AB will get you first base. Further research suggests this might be scored as a walk.

15. Failed Sacrifice Bunt
Also related to #8. If you put down an intended sacrifice bunt and the runner in front of you is out instead of you, you’re on first, but you’re guilty of being a failure at the same time.

16. Dropped Sacrifice Fly
Basically the same thing as #20. If you hit a sacrifice that is misplayed you reach first but are not awarded a hit.

17. Fair Ball Hits Runner
If a fair ball hits a runner the runner is declared out.

18. Fair Ball hits Umpire
MLB Rule 5.09(f) Comment: “If a fair ball touches an umpire working in the infield after it has bounded past, or over, the pitcher, it is a dead ball. If a batted ball is deflected by a fielder in fair territory and hits a runner or an umpire while still in flight and then is caught by an infielder it shall not be a catch, but the ball shall remain in play.”

If it’s a dead ball that means the runners advance one base, to my understanding.

19. Runner called out on Appeal
I’m not sure how this can be correct, I can’t think of an instance where a runner would be called out on appeal yet you would be awarded a base.

20. Reached on Error
If you manage to reach first because of an error you don’t get credit for a hit, but you’re still on first.

21. Pinch Runner
If you replace a runner on first, you didn’t earn it, but you’re still standing on first, aren’t you?

22. Runner in front in Put Out
This is a twist on the Fielder’s choice that is specific to instances such as the runner ahead of you being tagged out.

23. Runner on first is replaced after a delay
This occurs if a player reaches first, the game is delayed, and the player is traded before the game can be made up.

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2) Hit by pitch
3) Walk
4) Steal first
 


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You can't steal first. You can advance to first if the third strike is not  caught by the catcher, but it is scored as a strike out and then an advance to first on a wild pitch/passed ball.

In order for the run to count with two outs, all base runners in a force play situation must arrive to the next base safely.

Anyway, the 23 ways you can advance to first base in baseball:

1. Walk
This is simple enough. You are awarded first base if during an at bat you accumulate four balls.

2. Intentional Walk
If the opposing team deliberately walks you by throwing four pitches well outside the opposing batter’s box.

3. Hit By Pitch
If you are struck by a pitch during an at bat that you did not swing at, you are awarded first base.

4. Dropped Third Strike
If the third strike of an At Bat is misplayed you have the opportunity to run to first. IF you beat out the throw, it still counts as a strike out, but you are awarded first base.

5. Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
MLB Rule 8.04: “When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 20 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.”

6. Catcher’s interference
If any part of the catcher’s equipment interferes with the batter’s swing, it is ruled catcher’s interference and the batter gets first base.

7. Single
Finally, and easy one!

8. Fielder’s Choice
If you hit a ball in play and the defense chooses to get another runner out instead, you’re on first but you are not awarded with a hit.

9. Fielder Obstruction
If a fielder alters the running path of a baserunner or physically touches him when not in the process of fielding a ball, this is called obstruction.

10. Fielder’s Interference
Interference and obstruction are two different things. From what I gather, interference is more concerned with sneaky things like a catcher reaching out and touching a batter before a pitch is thrown, or if a fielder tried to do something to prevent a batter from hitting a pitch. I would imagine if the shortstop all the sudden did a triple roundoff as a pitch was being thrown he could be called for interference.

11. Spectator Interference
Spectator interference is when the presence of a fan hinders a fielder’s ability to catch a ball, such as a fan reaching out and touching a live ball in play.

12. Fan Obstruction
This one is pretty fuzzy to me, I’m not sure the difference between interference and obstruction when it comes to fans.

13. Force Out
If another runner is forced out at another base and you still reach first (yes, this is doubling up with #8.)

14. 4 Illegal Pitches in an At Bat
If a pitcher alters the ball (scratching, scuffing or using a foreign material to affect it) that pitch is declared an illegal pitch. 4 of these in an AB will get you first base. Further research suggests this might be scored as a walk.

15. Failed Sacrifice Bunt
Also related to #8. If you put down an intended sacrifice bunt and the runner in front of you is out instead of you, you’re on first, but you’re guilty of being a failure at the same time.

16. Dropped Sacrifice Fly
Basically the same thing as #20. If you hit a sacrifice that is misplayed you reach first but are not awarded a hit.

17. Fair Ball Hits Runner
If a fair ball hits a runner the runner is declared out.

18. Fair Ball hits Umpire
MLB Rule 5.09(f) Comment: “If a fair ball touches an umpire working in the infield after it has bounded past, or over, the pitcher, it is a dead ball. If a batted ball is deflected by a fielder in fair territory and hits a runner or an umpire while still in flight and then is caught by an infielder it shall not be a catch, but the ball shall remain in play.”

If it’s a dead ball that means the runners advance one base, to my understanding.

19. Runner called out on Appeal
I’m not sure how this can be correct, I can’t think of an instance where a runner would be called out on appeal yet you would be awarded a base.

20. Reached on Error
If you manage to reach first because of an error you don’t get credit for a hit, but you’re still on first.

21. Pinch Runner
If you replace a runner on first, you didn’t earn it, but you’re still standing on first, aren’t you?

22. Runner in front in Put Out
This is a twist on the Fielder’s choice that is specific to instances such as the runner ahead of you being tagged out.

23. Runner on first is replaced after a delay
This occurs if a player reaches first, the game is delayed, and the player is traded before the game can be made up.

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Is there an echo in here?