[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dodging the draft. (Page 1 of 11)
Posted: 4/4/2014 3:02:49 PM EDT
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Eta: I guess I don't know how to reword it, I didn't think of breaking the coc. Sorry, lock if you need to. |
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Quoted: I was in the last group that could have been drafted for Viet Nam... I would have gone, my Aunt made arrangements to ship my cousin up to Canada.... At least he didn't, Nixon ended the war and We fucked a lot of people over there We wasted some of the finest human beings we will ever know. |
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Quoted: I don't think anyone is obligated to fight for a cause they don't believe in. I wouldn't have to be drafted, I'd volunteer to fight for my country before they got the chance. But I think forcing people to go is wrong. On rare occasion, the needs of the one is outweighed by the needs of the many. |
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I don't think anyone is obligated to fight for a cause they don't believe in. I wouldn't have to be drafted, I'd volunteer to fight for my country before they got the chance. But I think forcing people to go is wrong. On rare occasion, the needs of the one is outweighed by the needs of the many. I would argue that if it is a just war, and a necessary war, there will be no shortage of volunteers. Typically only have to draft to fight a war that shouldn't be fought. WWII had the vast majority of men volunteering to serve over being drafted for instance, vs vietnam. |
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I was in the last group that could have been drafted for Viet Nam... I would have gone, my Aunt made arrangements to ship my cousin up to Canada.... At least he didn't, Nixon ended the war and We fucked a lot of people over there We wasted some of the finest human beings we will ever know. Yes. I think he's referring to the people we convinced to fight along side us there, then left high and dry. |
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I was in the last group that could have been drafted for Viet Nam... I would have gone, my Aunt made arrangements to ship my cousin up to Canada.... At least he didn't, Nixon ended the war and We fucked a lot of people over there We wasted some of the finest human beings we will ever know. Yes. I think he's referring to the people we convinced to fight along side us there, then left high and dry. Yup. I worked with a guy who was over there working beside lots of them for years. He had plenty of old pictures of the projects to back up his story. He said after the US withdrew, all the people that worked with him were put in a ditch and buried alive with a bulldozer. |
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Quoted: This is a statement I disagree with. Quoted: Quoted: Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. |
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I would argue that if it is a just war, and a necessary war, there will be no shortage of volunteers. Typically only have to draft to fight a war that shouldn't be fought. WWII had the vast majority of men volunteering to serve over being drafted for instance, vs vietnam. During WW2 most GIs were draftees. Chance that a Vietnam GI was a volunteer: 4 out of 5 Chance that GI Joe (WW2) was a volunteer: 1 in 3. Surprising, isn't it? 2/3s of the WW2 generation were draftees. |
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I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. Quoted:
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. |
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Quoted: More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. |
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ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. Quoted:
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. That is where I would disagree. None of these conflicts today are dire situations for the USA. |
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ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. Quoted:
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. Fail. Your beliefs and values should not be dictated by the country you just happened to be born in. |
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I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. Quoted:
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. ... more worthy of being not told what to do... Okie dokie then. 
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Quoted: Fail. Your beliefs and values should not be dictated by the country you just happened to be born in. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. Fail. Your beliefs and values should not be dictated by the country you just happened to be born in. You are right. We shouldn't worry about defending this country against a threat, just cause we are too lazy to and would rather play xbox and blow billy joe living in the basement with us. |
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You are right. We shouldn't worry about defending this country against a threat, just cause we are too lazy to and would rather play xbox and blow billy joe living in the basement with us. Quoted:
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I don't. They are cowardly, simple minded criminals who think they are special snowflakes that are somehow more important or more worthy of being not told what to do. More so in an all volunteer army. In a draft not as much. Just my .02. ESPECIALLY in a draft. There are very few requirements the nation makes of you. Responding to a call of arms if required in a dire situation is one of them. Fail. Your beliefs and values should not be dictated by the country you just happened to be born in. You are right. We shouldn't worry about defending this country against a threat, just cause we are too lazy to and would rather play xbox and blow billy joe living in the basement with us. ??? Um ok then??? |
| I can support a draft if, and only if, the United States is being actively invaded. The Viet Cong weren't in Georgia and the Nazis and Japs never landed a force in California. Congress ratified the 13th amendment on Dec 6 1865 outlawing slavery yet we had institutionalized slavery in the form of the draft until 1973. Every public official that supported this act which directly violated the constitution should have been tried and deported. |
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It would be an honor to fight for this country. Draft Dodgers are cowards I used to feel the same way, but I've either grown soft or times have changed severely. I volunteered right after VN when I became old enough. There was no war, but I would have gone had I been drafted .That's just the way it was in my family. I did my 4 and got out. My two sons both volunteered and went to Iraq/Afghanistan and I am so proud of them for that, but had there been a draft and either one had objected I would stand behind his decision Liberty and conscription, in my opinion, are not compatible anymore unless the enemy is at the fuckin' gate. |
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. Well I disagree with you. I didn't run in 69. Just went to the recruiters office and joined. Fucking Jimmy Carter should have never let those assholes back into the US 
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You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like.
When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. |
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Quoted: You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like. When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. Thank you. You are more eloquent than I. |
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You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like. When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. Bull shit. If you don't question why you're being sent off to fight then you are mindless fodder. I hate to bring up nazi's and commies in the same thread but German soldiers in WWII did the exact thing you mention, and I think we'd all agree it would have been better if they'd decided to stay home and tell their government to FOAD. |
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Quoted: Bull shit. If you don't question why you're being sent off to fight then you are mindless fodder. I hate to bring up nazi's and commies in the same thread but German soldiers in WWII did the exact thing you mention, and I think we'd all agree it would have been better if they'd decided to stay home and tell their government to FOAD. Quoted: Quoted: You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like. When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. Bull shit. If you don't question why you're being sent off to fight then you are mindless fodder. I hate to bring up nazi's and commies in the same thread but German soldiers in WWII did the exact thing you mention, and I think we'd all agree it would have been better if they'd decided to stay home and tell their government to FOAD. And you would the first to either happily greet or be slaughtered by an invading force. |
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I would argue that if it is a just war, and a necessary war, there will be no shortage of volunteers. Typically only have to draft to fight a war that shouldn't be fought. WWII had the vast majority of men volunteering to serve over being drafted for instance, vs vietnam. Quoted:
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I don't think anyone is obligated to fight for a cause they don't believe in. I wouldn't have to be drafted, I'd volunteer to fight for my country before they got the chance. But I think forcing people to go is wrong. On rare occasion, the needs of the one is outweighed by the needs of the many. I would argue that if it is a just war, and a necessary war, there will be no shortage of volunteers. Typically only have to draft to fight a war that shouldn't be fought. WWII had the vast majority of men volunteering to serve over being drafted for instance, vs vietnam. This. I don't give a damn what anybody thinks. I would absolutely stand up and fight for my country, but there is no way in hell I would join a politicians war like the ones we have going on today. |
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Well I disagree with you. I didn't run in 69. Just went to the recruiters office and joined. Fucking Jimmy Carter should have never let those assholes back into the US Quoted:
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. This is a statement I disagree with. Well I disagree with you. I didn't run in 69. Just went to the recruiters office and joined. Fucking Jimmy Carter should have never let those assholes back into the US I volunteered and joined the Army the 1990s, selective service sent me a notice in the mail for not signing up while I was in basic training  I don't feel Vietnam was a war that should have required a draft.
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And you would the first to either happily greet or be slaughtered by an invading force. Quoted:
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You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like. When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. Bull shit. If you don't question why you're being sent off to fight then you are mindless fodder. I hate to bring up nazi's and commies in the same thread but German soldiers in WWII did the exact thing you mention, and I think we'd all agree it would have been better if they'd decided to stay home and tell their government to FOAD. And you would the first to either happily greet or be slaughtered by an invading force. You sure about that? I volunteered when I turned 17, did basic the summer after my Junior year and AIT the next summer before going to college and joining ROTC, I have no problem with fighting for my country, I have a problem with people being forced to do so. |
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And you would the first to either happily greet or be slaughtered by an invading force. Quoted:
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You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like. When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. Bull shit. If you don't question why you're being sent off to fight then you are mindless fodder. I hate to bring up nazi's and commies in the same thread but German soldiers in WWII did the exact thing you mention, and I think we'd all agree it would have been better if they'd decided to stay home and tell their government to FOAD. And you would the first to either happily greet or be slaughtered by an invading force. Not sure how you drew this conclusion. |
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You guys can rationalize and philosophize all you'd like. When the time comes you move to the sound of the guns, pure and simple. You don't over think it. You don't concern yourself with the politics. You don't worry if the fucking cause is just. What you do is step forward and you say "here I am. Send me". Then you volunteer to be part of a unit that will get as close to the enemy as possible. Then you close with and kill them. Without hate and without anger. If it makes you all feel better that you found some reason not to fight for this nation then so be it. I hold no animus but you will never know what I know and you are lesser for it. I'm not shitting on anybody's service but this is the most vapid, mindless, yes man pieces of garbage I have ever read. I guess when you get the call to confiscate weapons from private citizens and kill anybody who resist you will lead the charge because your country told you too. |
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It never ceases to amaze me how a site that is allegedly devoted to the 2A, can be in favor of a draft under ANY circumstances.
My life is mine to do with as I choose, ANY other person who says so is a tyrant in need of a rope. 
I'm far from a coward, I'm a liberty'ist. I pay the bills I owe & am active in trying to elect men who are good enough that such draft nonsense is unneeded. It occurs to me a good many of you are only lip service to freedom. I recall when I posted about Greg Brannon & received only token support from a handful when there are thousands of members here. 
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Draft dodgers are fucking cowards and should be treated as such. I am going with this , I was to young and joined the post Vietnam army . My half brother went to college for 7 years to avoid the draft . He is a depressed liberal douche who works for the federal government . I think they need to do a couple of years mandatory service , |