Posted: 3/12/2014 6:19:44 AM EDT
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It seems like this is the only thing the company cares about these days. Discuss.
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People getting hurt is very expensive these days. They don't really care about you, the whole safety thing is disingenuous at best. It is just another way to save money. Who is "They"? I run a business and I care about keeping my guys from getting hurt. While it is very expensive if someone gets hurt, that is not the only reason for safety. Go out to your car and make sure your "I am the 99%" sticker is on straight |
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Litigation, I assume. As Mr. Rowe said, if safety is your top priority, then getting your job done isn't. That's a load of bullshit. The OP has said he delievers nuclear fuel. So being safe is about ensuring that they not only have the job today but tomorrow. Gonna be hard to get contracts if you accidentally contaminate a few cities, maybe ruin a fishery or two. Similarly, there is a major focus on safety within many electrical utilities. Because linemen bursting into flame tend to slow down getting the power back on (which costs a lot of money and can end up with somebody more competent than you taking over when you go belly up from turning a power outage into a three day event due to all the corpses you are scattering about the countryside). tl;dr - you can't get your job done when you're dead |
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Quoted: That's a load of bullshit. The OP has said he delievers nuclear fuel. So being safe is about ensuring that they not only have the job today but tomorrow. Gonna be hard to get contracts if you accidentally contaminate a few cities, maybe ruin a fishery or two. Similarly, there is a major focus on safety within electrical utilities. Because linemen bursting into flame tend to slow down getting the power back on (which costs a lot of money and can end up with somebody more competent than you taking over when you go belly up from turning a power outage into a three day event due to all the corpses you are scattering about the countryside). tl;dr - you can't get your job done when you're dead Quoted: Quoted: Litigation, I assume. As Mr. Rowe said, if safety is your top priority, then getting your job done isn't. That's a load of bullshit. The OP has said he delievers nuclear fuel. So being safe is about ensuring that they not only have the job today but tomorrow. Gonna be hard to get contracts if you accidentally contaminate a few cities, maybe ruin a fishery or two. Similarly, there is a major focus on safety within electrical utilities. Because linemen bursting into flame tend to slow down getting the power back on (which costs a lot of money and can end up with somebody more competent than you taking over when you go belly up from turning a power outage into a three day event due to all the corpses you are scattering about the countryside). tl;dr - you can't get your job done when you're dead  |
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Where can I buy that? I want one that is poster size to hang next to the safety posters in the shop.  |
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Who is "They"? I run a business and I care about keeping my guys from getting hurt. While it is very expensive if someone gets hurt, that is not the only reason for safety. Go out to your car and make sure your "I am the 99%" sticker is on straight Quoted:
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People getting hurt is very expensive these days. They don't really care about you, the whole safety thing is disingenuous at best. It is just another way to save money. Who is "They"? I run a business and I care about keeping my guys from getting hurt. While it is very expensive if someone gets hurt, that is not the only reason for safety. Go out to your car and make sure your "I am the 99%" sticker is on straight Amen. I most certainly care about the safety of my team, and it has fuckall to do with money. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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No, but at least you can still vote.
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Litigation, I assume. As Mr. Rowe said, if safety is your top priority, then getting your job done isn't. That's a load of bullshit. The OP has said he delievers nuclear fuel. So being safe is about ensuring that they not only have the job today but tomorrow. Gonna be hard to get contracts if you accidentally contaminate a few cities, maybe ruin a fishery or two. Similarly, there is a major focus on safety within electrical utilities. Because linemen bursting into flame tend to slow down getting the power back on (which costs a lot of money and can end up with somebody more competent than you taking over when you go belly up from turning a power outage into a three day event due to all the corpses you are scattering about the countryside). tl;dr - you can't get your job done when you're dead
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OSHA fines and the .gov in your life.
I used to work for a company and part of their product line was injection molding. The most efficient way to clean up the product, which had a fairly soft durometer, was with fresh razor blades, no tool holder. Of course, the workers would get small cuts once in a while, which were OSHA reportable. This resulted in some pretty hefty fines. We had to hire an Industrial Hygienist/safety coordinator just to keep OSHA in check and to negotiate the fines. Safety. 
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The only thing my bosses discuss with us is safety. Not production or quality. Just safety. It doesn't matter if you do a half as job or don't do your job at all as long as you're rules compliant and safe. Fucking retards, safety is a means to an end not how the company makes money. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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You say that like it's a bad thing…
I did a lot of "stupid" stuff working on ships. Stuff that would get me fired working on land. I for one am glad I don't have to be put in that position any more. My work is important, but certainly not worth getting seriously injured or dying for! |
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The Bell System safety creed:
No Job Is So Important And No Service Is So Urgent That We Can Not Take Time To Perform Our Work Safely Words to live by. I cared greatly for the people who worked for me. The very last thing I wanted to do during my entire career was to tell someone's wife she was a widow. |
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I'm glad I worked for small businesses that didn't have to adhere to any safety crap. Most were "exempt" from any workmans comp insurance and didn't have any. They did require you to sign a hold harmless document that exempted them from any injuries and would fire you if you didn't sign it. They always pulled that bullshit about 2 months after you started working.
I had an interview with a heavy equipment repair company that was proud to offer workmans comp insurance and W-2's as their benefit package. I laughed my way out the door. |
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It's all relative I guess. One dude in this thread delivers nuclear fuel; you'd best do that right, or they may not be a do-over. Me, for about two thirds of the day the most dangerous thing I drive is a keyboard and a phone. But the time I flip a forklift or run someone over, things get expensive and ugly quick.
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You say that like it's a bad thing… I did a lot of "stupid" stuff working on ships. Stuff that would get me fired working on land. I for one am glad I don't have to be put in that position any more. My work is important, but certainly not worth getting seriously injured or dying for! we run field trips for professionals. these are adults, who have presumably managed to live at least 24 or 25 years and earn an advanced degree to be in the position they are in. We have to tell people they can't hike in loafers and that they need to tie their shoes  .
a lot of the time HR or HSE gets so wrapped up in doing everything "safely" that they forget that we're not there to go out and come back while being safe, there is actually a primary objective that is the reason we are there, and sometimes it needs to be reiterated when the safety precautions get a little over the top. like when people want to wear hard hats while walking on a paved path in a state park. |
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Quoted: we run field trips for professionals. these are adults, who have presumably managed to live at least 24 or 25 years and earn an advanced degree to be in the position they are in. We have to tell people they can't hike in loafers and that they need to tie their shoes . a lot of the time HR or HSE gets so wrapped up in doing everything "safely" that they forget that we're not there to go out and come back while being safe, there is actually a primary objective that is the reason we are there, and sometimes it needs to be reiterated when the safety precautions get a little over the top. like when people want to wear hard hats while walking on a paved path in a state park. Quoted: Quoted: You say that like it's a bad thing… I did a lot of "stupid" stuff working on ships. Stuff that would get me fired working on land. I for one am glad I don't have to be put in that position any more. My work is important, but certainly not worth getting seriously injured or dying for! we run field trips for professionals. these are adults, who have presumably managed to live at least 24 or 25 years and earn an advanced degree to be in the position they are in. We have to tell people they can't hike in loafers and that they need to tie their shoes . a lot of the time HR or HSE gets so wrapped up in doing everything "safely" that they forget that we're not there to go out and come back while being safe, there is actually a primary objective that is the reason we are there, and sometimes it needs to be reiterated when the safety precautions get a little over the top. like when people want to wear hard hats while walking on a paved path in a state park. Ever work on the railroad...on a bridge...on top of a bridge? Better wear your hardhat! As a EHS person I understand some people get sick of hearing it. Most companies should care about their workers as without them, shit doesn't get done. Some companies are only focused on the money aspect of safety as in what it saves vs. cost and only give lip service to actual safety. Since I work in manufacturing I see a lot of the old timers who have worked in an industry for 20 or 30+ years who are now suffering from doing things the wrong way and being tough SOBs in their 20s and 30s. That shit catches up to you eventually and then you realize that maybe that time you did something wrong wasn't so badass. All it takes though is someone not giving enough of a crap about doing it the right way and things can go horribly sideways. This isn't the 1880s anymore but both the employees and employer have to buy into it to do it right. My experience has been that a lot of compaies are data focused and sometimes miss the big picture and employees become focused on some issue from 10 years ago and get upset and take too many chances sometimes. |
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The safety shit is getting ridiculous...really, I think most of it is the "Safety" people dreaming up new ways to torment people, and justify their jobs...
I have been a stack tester for 23 years, we do a lot of driving to sites (as far away as North Dakota, down to Florida...all over in between..), and of course stack testing in itself is a dangerous job, working at heights (we've had rings as high as 350', rooftops, platforms, etc) in all sorts of weather from July-August heat and humidity, sometimes in very hot plants (like glass furnaces...) to very sub zero temps on exposed roofs or rings... Initially we were a small company owned by our boss...there was no real bullshit in place...we were safe because we all wanted to come home, and our boss and his business were certainly not worth our lives. In fact he played fast and loose with us in a lot of ways, but if it were too stupid, we just refused. Then we got bought by a mid level engineering type firm, and some standards were instituted, but not much. Again, we were self policing... Then we were bought by a large environmental and engineering firm. The BS started like crazy. They required us to produce a HASP (Health and Safety Plan) for every job. I, with the input of my colleagues, designed a slick 2 page HASP which was perfect for us. It covered EVERYTHING that was important for us and our jobs, and no extraneous bullshit. Sorry, Safety Department said no-go, you have to use our standard HASP template...(now their standard HASP template is made for very large haz waste remediation jobs, landfill work, Oil and Gas work, etc). So we are stuck with a 50 or more page monstrosity of a HASP which is totally worthless to us. In fact no one ever even looks at the damn thing. The pertinent info, such as client contact and hospital info is buried deep in it instead of being right up front where it might be useful. Plus we always have to take out the sections that talk about alligators and snakes, since we rarely find either 100 feet in the air on a stack. Then, someone had to stick their nose in and insist we follow DOT regs, for commercial rigs...so now we get stuck sometimes having to spend an extra day on-site hanging in the hotel rooms "re-setting" the driving clocks...yeah, the client loves to have to pay for that, and we love having to stay an extra day out of town... Now they instituted a "Journey Management" plan to be done before any trip over 4 hours (including if you are traveling in a POV)...really? I have been driving for business for 23 years, I know how to drive, I don't need to write up some bullshit JMP so the Safety fucks can check a box and proclaim "Look how safe we are!". Fuck you and your JMP... Look, the corporate TRIR or whatever the hell its called is 0.19, which I guess is exceptionally low...so I guess the constant bullshit has an effect, but speaking for our group, we don't need the bullshit. We are safe on our own.... The deal is, these "Safety Professionals" have found a way to create full time positions for themselves, and must protect them by coming with ever increasing bullshit for people to follow. Lets face it, if they didn't why does a company need them... Oh, and I love how they want you to call the "Emergency Hotline" any time there is an incident, so they can "manage" it...the reality is they want to avoid at all costs a visit to a doctor so it doesn't become a recordable. As they say "If its something we can treat with an aspirin, we'll do that instead of going to the hospital or doctor". We joke that someday someone might have a traumatic, horrible injury like a limb torn off, and they will recommend some Tylenol and bed rest, but NO DOCTORS! Seriously, its all bullshit..... |
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Okay I need that sticker for my toolbox
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Initially we were a small company owned by our boss...there was no real bullshit in place...we were safe because we all wanted to come home, and our boss and his business were certainly not worth our lives. In fact he played fast and loose with us in a lot of ways, but if it were too stupid, we just refused. .. As it should be. |
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Where can I buy that? I want one that is poster size to hang next to the safety posters in the shop.
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Where can I buy that? I want one that is poster size to hang next to the safety posters in the shop.
just googled them and got some coming
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