[ARCHIVED THREAD] - AWACS system comparison (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/24/2014 2:47:39 PM EDT
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Just about everything I know I learned from Wikipedia, so, hoping to get someone with real insight. Just curious, how good are these aircraft at AWACS (or is it AEW):
Sea King E-2C/D E-3 E-767 basically, what are their advantages or disadvantages compared to the others. and while we're at it, does anyone know why our big-deck amphibs don't have any sort of AEW / AWACS? Navy paranoia? Price? Something else? |
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Quoted: Just about everything I know I learned from Wikipedia, so, hoping to get someone with real insight. Just curious, how good are these aircraft at AWACS (or is it AEW): Sea King E-2C/D E-3 E-767 basically, what are their advantages or disadvantages compared to the others. and while we're at it, does anyone know why our big-deck amphibs don't have any sort of AEW / AWACS? Navy paranoia? Price? Something else? |
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It's different than "Naval" or "Navel" paranoia. And oranges. Quoted:
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Please explain what you man by "Navy paranoia". It's different than "Naval" or "Navel" paranoia. And oranges. But, but, but what about the navel of a belly dancer dressed in orange???? [conduct code violation removed - Paul] |
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But, but, but what about the navel of a belly dancer dressed in orange???? http://www.raks-sharki.com/costumes/images/bella_orange2.jpg Quoted:
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Please explain what you man by "Navy paranoia". It's different than "Naval" or "Navel" paranoia. And oranges. But, but, but what about the navel of a belly dancer dressed in orange???? http://www.raks-sharki.com/costumes/images/bella_orange2.jpg I heart you. And her. No homo. I'll bring plates. |
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Please explain what you man by "Navy paranoia". Is the only reason we don't have AWACS on amphibs that the Navy kills any program to do so, out of a belief that it would threaten funding for carriers if LHA-6 / LHA-7 were seen as mini-carriers with a smaller set of similar capabilities, at a bargain? |
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RN has AEW Sea Kings. Quoted:
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The Sea King has long been retired from the Navy. RN has AEW Sea Kings. That was my understanding too. How good of a job do they do? They're obviously not going to have the speed or range (or altitude?) of a fixed-wing option, but do they fulfill the mission needs adequately? |
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Is the only reason we don't have AWACS on amphibs that the Navy kills any program to do so, out of a belief that it would threaten funding for carriers if LHA-6 / LHA-7 were seen as mini-carriers with a smaller set of similar capabilities, at a bargain? Quoted:
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Please explain what you man by "Navy paranoia". Is the only reason we don't have AWACS on amphibs that the Navy kills any program to do so, out of a belief that it would threaten funding for carriers if LHA-6 / LHA-7 were seen as mini-carriers with a smaller set of similar capabilities, at a bargain? Why would you put AEW on a platform that lacks the weapons systems to effect any action in the battle space to which an AEW platform provides SA? IOW, what good is a 10 power scope on an a Red Ryder? |
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Why would you put AEW on a platform that lacks the weapons systems to effect any action in the battle space to which an AEW platform provides SA? IOW, what good is a 10 power scope on an a Red Ryder? Quoted:
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Please explain what you man by "Navy paranoia". Is the only reason we don't have AWACS on amphibs that the Navy kills any program to do so, out of a belief that it would threaten funding for carriers if LHA-6 / LHA-7 were seen as mini-carriers with a smaller set of similar capabilities, at a bargain? Why would you put AEW on a platform that lacks the weapons systems to effect any action in the battle space to which an AEW platform provides SA? IOW, what good is a 10 power scope on an a Red Ryder? F-35B to the rescue! |
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Is that because the proper acronym is AEW? Or does the E-3 really do radically-different things from the E-2? Quoted:
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I wasn't aware that the Navy fielded any AWACS aircraft.  Is that because the proper acronym is AEW? Or does the E-3 really do radically-different things from the E-2? AEW is the capability in general. AWACS is a subset of that. Ignoring everything else the E-3 is going to bring more to the fight with just shy of 20 mission crew to an E-2's three. |
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Quoted: Just about everything I know I learned from Wikipedia, so, hoping to get someone with real insight. Just curious, how good are these aircraft at AWACS (or is it AEW): Sea King E-2C/D E-3 E-767 basically, what are their advantages or disadvantages compared to the others. and while we're at it, does anyone know why our big-deck amphibs don't have any sort of AEW / AWACS? Navy paranoia? Price? Something else? a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above that said, the radar capes are only one aspect, and are shit compared to a couple fighters in the air with aesa radars w/ data link f22/F15E. (F-35 in the future) The c-2 part can be "enhancing", with newer comms we have the e-2/e-3 usually are a degraded and painful relay that sucks cock. |
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e3>e2, better loiter, bigger more powerful radar a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above that said, the radar capes are only one aspect, and are shit compared to a couple fighters in the air with aesa radars w/ data link f22/F15E. (F-35 in the future) The c-2 part can be "enhancing", with newer comms we have the e-2/e-3 usually are a degraded and painful relay that sucks cock. Quoted:
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Just about everything I know I learned from Wikipedia, so, hoping to get someone with real insight. Just curious, how good are these aircraft at AWACS (or is it AEW): Sea King E-2C/D E-3 E-767 basically, what are their advantages or disadvantages compared to the others. and while we're at it, does anyone know why our big-deck amphibs don't have any sort of AEW / AWACS? Navy paranoia? Price? Something else? a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above that said, the radar capes are only one aspect, and are shit compared to a couple fighters in the air with aesa radars w/ data link f22/F15E. (F-35 in the future) The c-2 part can be "enhancing", with newer comms we have the e-2/e-3 usually are a degraded and painful relay that sucks cock. Don't the E-3s just join the same link 16 network? |
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e3>e2, better loiter, bigger more powerful radar a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above that said, the radar capes are only one aspect, and are shit compared to a couple fighters in the air with aesa radars w/ data link f22/F15E. (F-35 in the future) The c-2 part can be "enhancing", with newer comms we have the e-2/e-3 usually are a degraded and painful relay that sucks cock. So a flight of fighters could do this as well / better than a dedicated AEW platform? |
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And what do non-NATO countries do for AEW? Nothing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_A-50 |
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Quoted: So a flight of fighters could do this as well / better than a dedicated AEW platform? that is radar only, the e-3 is also a control platform and has a ton of radios/controllers |
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Quoted: BTW, this was a reference to four commercial jets the Japanese purchased in the 90's and equipped for AEW. They sound pretty cool, but don't appear to have AESA radar. Quoted: Quoted: a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above BTW, this was a reference to four commercial jets the Japanese purchased in the 90's and equipped for AEW. They sound pretty cool, but don't appear to have AESA radar. |
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And what do non-NATO countries do for AEW? Nothing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_A-50 I just learned that China apparently has at least some AEW capability as well: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/aew-prc.htm |
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They also "pitched" a newer model with aesa radar, thats what i was referencing as I dont consider the japs worth consideration Quoted:
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a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above BTW, this was a reference to four commercial jets the Japanese purchased in the 90's and equipped for AEW. They sound pretty cool, but don't appear to have AESA radar. I was kind of surprised to read that the E-2D has an AESA in its rotating dome. |
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You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. Quoted:
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The E-3 trumps everything. You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. WTF is a NUDET VAB (Hey, in my defense, neither Google nor Wikipedia seem to know)? |
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You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. Quoted:
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The E-3 trumps everything. You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. 
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WTF is a NUDET VAB (Hey, in my defense, neither Google nor Wikipedia seem to know)? Quoted:
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The E-3 trumps everything. You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. WTF is a NUDET VAB (Hey, in my defense, neither Google nor Wikipedia seem to know)? Variable Action Button that enters a symbol for a Nuclear Detonation on the tactical display of EVERYONE on the net. NUDET symbols are frigging HUGE. |
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AEW is the capability in general. AWACS is a subset of that. Ignoring everything else the E-3 is going to bring more to the fight with just shy of 20 mission crew to an E-2's three. Quoted:
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I wasn't aware that the Navy fielded any AWACS aircraft. Is that because the proper acronym is AEW? Or does the E-3 really do radically-different things from the E-2? AEW is the capability in general. AWACS is a subset of that. Ignoring everything else the E-3 is going to bring more to the fight with just shy of 20 mission crew to an E-2's three. No. |
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You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. Quoted:
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The E-3 trumps everything. You mean "the E-3 overloads the link and floods your track store as soon as it come on the net." And the crew loves playing with that new NUDET VAB that popped up when the switched to Maritime mode. Assholes. So true. LOL. |
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a couple fighters with 5ht gen radars datalinking to everyone else is much better that is radar only, the e-3 is also a control platform and has a ton of radios/controllers Quoted:
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So a flight of fighters could do this as well / better than a dedicated AEW platform? that is radar only, the e-3 is also a control platform and has a ton of radios/controllers I agree with this. I'd say an E-8 is as close to an E-3 as it gets except it looks at the ground. AESA radar is fucking amazing in the capability's it has. And not just offensively. And that's all I'm willing to say on a public forum. There was in article in aviation week about 12 years ago that did a column on the F-15C's that carried it. If you can track it down it will explain it to you better than I'm willing to without the chance of slipping. |
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I was kind of surprised to read that the E-2D has an AESA in its rotating dome. Quoted:
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a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above BTW, this was a reference to four commercial jets the Japanese purchased in the 90's and equipped for AEW. They sound pretty cool, but don't appear to have AESA radar. I was kind of surprised to read that the E-2D has an AESA in its rotating dome. All the cool kids are doing AESA airborne surveillance radars. |
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All the cool kids are doing AESA airborne surveillance radars. Quoted:
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a "e-767" with a aesa radar would be better than the above BTW, this was a reference to four commercial jets the Japanese purchased in the 90's and equipped for AEW. They sound pretty cool, but don't appear to have AESA radar. I was kind of surprised to read that the E-2D has an AESA in its rotating dome. All the cool kids are doing AESA airborne surveillance radars. USAF reaction to the E-2D has been to either shun it as witchcraft or want to play with it. |
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I wasn't aware that the Navy fielded any AWACS aircraft. Is that because the proper acronym is AEW? Or does the E-3 really do radically-different things from the E-2? AEW is the capability in general. AWACS is a subset of that. Ignoring everything else the E-3 is going to bring more to the fight with just shy of 20 mission crew to an E-2's three. No. It depends. |
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I wasn't aware that the Navy fielded any AWACS aircraft. Is that because the proper acronym is AEW? Or does the E-3 really do radically-different things from the E-2? AEW is the capability in general. AWACS is a subset of that. Ignoring everything else the E-3 is going to bring more to the fight with just shy of 20 mission crew to an E-2's three. No. Go on. |
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I wasn't aware that the Navy fielded any AWACS aircraft. Is that because the proper acronym is AEW? Or does the E-3 really do radically-different things from the E-2? AEW is the capability in general. AWACS is a subset of that. Ignoring everything else the E-3 is going to bring more to the fight with just shy of 20 mission crew to an E-2's three. No. It depends. That's true. They bring more people to the fight. And probably more radios. And a planning crew. Meanwhile, the Navy gets it done with five peeps per aircraft. |