Posted: 12/3/2002 5:52:18 AM EDT
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Gun shop robbed for 2nd time in weeks Published December 3, 2002: Chgo SunTimes CARPENTERSVILLE, IL -- A Carpentersville gun shop was burglarized early Sunday for the second time in less than two months, police said. In the latest "smash-and-grab" burglary at R Guns, 140 N. Western Ave., police responded to a burglar alarm about 12:40 a.m. after one or more burglars broke a window, entered the shop and grabbed 18 guns from display cases, Sgt. James Krueger said. Krueger said nine Glock handguns, five 9 mm handguns, two .45-caliber handguns and two .40-caliber handguns were taken. "It could have taken all of 30 seconds," Krueger said of the burglary. The Algonquin Police Department's canine unit was brought in to help search for clues. Late on Oct. 20, at least two guns were stolen when the shop was broken into in a similar manner, Krueger said. Police are trying to determine whether the burglaries are related. |
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Quoted: Gun shop robbed for 2nd time in weeks Published December 3, 2002: Chgo SunTimes CARPENTERSVILLE, IL -- A Carpentersville gun shop was burglarized early Sunday for the second time in less than two months, police said. In the latest "smash-and-grab" burglary at R Guns, 140 N. Western Ave., police responded to a burglar alarm about 12:40 a.m. after one or more burglars broke a window, entered the shop and grabbed 18 guns from display cases, Sgt. James Krueger said. Krueger said nine Glock handguns, five 9 mm handguns, two .45-caliber handguns and two .40-caliber handguns were taken. "It could have taken all of 30 seconds," Krueger said of the burglary. The Algonquin Police Department's canine unit was brought in to help search for clues. Late on Oct. 20, at least two guns were stolen when the shop was broken into in a similar manner, Krueger said. Police are trying to determine whether the burglaries are related. TWO robberies? By smashing in the windows or the door to get in? Haven't they got bars in the windows or roll-down safety shutters yet? WTF? One would think they'd have learned by now. More fodder for Mayor Daley, I suppose... "See? See? Gun shops are a mortal danger to us all- ban them now- for the children!" |
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"R Guns"? Now where have I heard that name before, and in what context? By the way, would you consider changing "robbery" to "burglary" or "theft"? "Robbery" sorta means theft from a person, usually thought of as something where a weapon is used. When I saw the subject line I thought someone had gone in and "held up" the place at gunpoint. I think burglary is suposed to be entering a building in order to commit a felony, or something like that. Maybe one of our peace officers can explain it better. |
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I've never seen a gun store without bars on the windows, etc. This one sounds odd to me... I also thought someone robbed the place at gunpoint because of the title, but I think the "robbery vs. burglary" is another pet peeve of a few users [:)]. Much like the "clip vs. magazine" posts in the past... only there are probably less users that know or care about the difference between the two. EDITED: I wonder.... how many guns were stolen? 9 Glocks 5 9mm 2 .45s 2 .40s =9 guns I'm thinking they were all Glocks and the reporter is an idiot. |
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Quoted: Every shop that I've worked with makes it a point to put ALL the hardware away in the safe EVERY night. I'd have thought that R GUNS would have dome something similar after the first time. Responsible gun stores lock all the display pieces in a vault when closed. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Every shop that I've worked with makes it a point to put ALL the hardware away in the safe EVERY night. I'd have thought that R GUNS would have dome something similar after the first time. Responsible gun stores lock all the display pieces in a vault when closed. That might work when you have 20 or 30 guns in stock, but when you have 350+ guns in stock, you simply can't do that. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every shop that I've worked with makes it a point to put ALL the hardware away in the safe EVERY night. I'd have thought that R GUNS would have dome something similar after the first time. Responsible gun stores lock all the display pieces in a vault when closed. That might work when you have 20 or 30 guns in stock, but when you have 350+ guns in stock, you simply can't do that. Sure you can, you just need a big enough safe (or Vault). My wife worked at a range that had over 200 rental firearms. Every night, every gun was locked in a safe before she left. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every shop that I've worked with makes it a point to put ALL the hardware away in the safe EVERY night. I'd have thought that R GUNS would have dome something similar after the first time. Responsible gun stores lock all the display pieces in a vault when closed. That might work when you have 20 or 30 guns in stock, but when you have 350+ guns in stock, you simply can't do that. Sure you can, you just need a big enough safe (or Vault). My wife worked at a range that had over 200 rental firearms. Every night, every gun was locked in a safe before she left. Let's see. Two guns per trip to the safe, 175 trips. Each trip 15 seconds. That's and additional 45 minutes each day and night to put the guns away. Storage space for a 2,000 sq ft store front FFL: 20 twenty gun safes. Combo locks to remember 20. Vault not feasible. Getting the guns back in the correct place each morning 30 minutes. Extra time to wipe down 350+ guns every morning + scratches from fumbling. Extra two+ hours to pay employees = greater gun costs + cost of 20 guns safes = greater greater guns costs. A large store needs to make the whole store a "vault" when closed. Moving the guns around before closing and opening = non-sensible for a large store. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every shop that I've worked with makes it a point to put ALL the hardware away in the safe EVERY night. I'd have thought that R GUNS would have dome something similar after the first time. Responsible gun stores lock all the display pieces in a vault when closed. That might work when you have 20 or 30 guns in stock, but when you have 350+ guns in stock, you simply can't do that. Sure you can, you just need a big enough safe (or Vault). My wife worked at a range that had over 200 rental firearms. Every night, every gun was locked in a safe before she left. Let's see. Two guns per trip to the safe, 175 trips. Each trip 15 seconds. That's and additional 45 minutes each day and night to put the guns away. More like an hour at the start of the shift, and an hour at the end of the shift. Becuase as you pull the guns out in the morning, or put them away at night, you also inventory/reconcile them by serial number. Of course many irresponsible gunstores dont do this, such as the one in Washington that didnt notice a Bushmaster XM15-E2S missing, until it had been used in a dozen shootings. |
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Any guns available for an after hours smash-and-grab burglary are stored irresponsibly, and the owner should be held liable for any harm that is caused by their use. Sorry if it's "inconvenient", but if that's the business you're in, then you damn well better do what it takes to secure your weapons. It is apparently not "inconvenient" to make money from the sale of these weapons. Another asshole gunowner making life more difficult for the rest of us... |
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Quoted: Any guns available for an after hours smash-and-grab burglary are stored irresponsibly, and the owner should be held liable for any harm that is caused by their use. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every shop that I've worked with makes it a point to put ALL the hardware away in the safe EVERY night. I'd have thought that R GUNS would have dome something similar after the first time. Responsible gun stores lock all the display pieces in a vault when closed. That might work when you have 20 or 30 guns in stock, but when you have 350+ guns in stock, you simply can't do that. Sure you can, you just need a big enough safe (or Vault). My wife worked at a range that had over 200 rental firearms. Every night, every gun was locked in a safe before she left. Let's see. Two guns per trip to the safe, 175 trips. Each trip 15 seconds. That's and additional 45 minutes each day and night to put the guns away. More like an hour at the start of the shift, and an hour at the end of the shift. Becuase as you pull the guns out in the morning, or put them away at night, you also inventory/reconcile them by serial number./quote] An hour to open 20 gun safes, move 350+ guns to the counters, Get them in the proper place (on top of the correct box with the correct price), wipe them down and inventory them by serial number each morning? Then an hour to do the opposite at night? A gun store that is open 9 hours a day, then another 2 - 3 hours to do paperwork, unload and price new inventory and then another 2 hours put away 350 guns? I think the first two are enough. My local store did put the handguns away each night until the stock of guns got to be more than 50. After 50, it is just a waste of time. Make the store more secure. |
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Quoted: Any guns available for an after hours smash-and-grab burglary are stored irresponsibly, and the owner should be held liable for any harm that is caused by their use. Sorry if it's "inconvenient", but if that's the business you're in, then you damn well better do what it takes to secure your weapons. It is apparently not "inconvenient" to make money from the sale of these weapons. Another asshole gunowner making life more difficult for the rest of us... Why don't you get together with AGS and BCPGV (HCI) and pass a law. Heck one more CA law won't make much of a difference. Huh? Oh, and the profit would be the same. It's the cost to the end customer that would be more. |
| We had a gun shop burglarized here a few weeks ago. In lockport, IL. bars on the windows, not sure about rolling door. also not sure of what was taken, other than a glock .40 which was used in a drive-by a few days later. It was recovered and linked to the robbery. when I was growing up I used to go there with my father to shoot at the Indoor range. at night I remember them putting everything in safes in the backroom, so I'm kinda surprised that any where out in the open to be stolen. but I also know that a determined thief will get whatever he wants. It's a shame that Daley will use it against us. |
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The proper reply to an after-hours gunstore robbery: [url]http://www.afn.org/~guns/ayoob.html[/url] High Volume Shootout: The Harry Beckwith Incident Situation: A gun dealer faces robbers, again. Tonight the odds are seven to one against him. Lesson: When the wolf pack has you, an armed citizen needs high capacity defensive weapons. |
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Most of the local ones I've seen look like bunkers.... They have cement blocks the size of 50-gallon drums in front, with thick steel chain going through (think 'car traps', ala 'tank traps'), thick concrete walls, steel doors, and small, high barred windows. The only exception (aside from Gander Mountain, the local gun-stocking sporting goods chain) is a small family owned shop in a relatively low-crime area, and his stock-level makes the 'put-in-safe-at-night' method feasible. |
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Quoted: Most of the local ones I've seen look like bunkers.... They have cement blocks the size of 50-gallon drums in front, with thick steel chain going through (think 'car traps', ala 'tank traps'), thick concrete walls, steel doors, and small, high barred windows. The only exception (aside from Gander Mountain, the local gun-stocking sporting goods chain) is a small family owned shop in a relatively low-crime area, and his stock-level makes the 'put-in-safe-at-night' method feasible. Same thing here, and since Mexico practicly outlawed firearms we have had LOTS of break ins. The stand alone buildings look like bunkers. The people in the strip malls and the chain stores have a worse time of it. The police here don't gripe about it though, they have seen some of the most heavily fortified shops still wind up pillaged after they ram a stolen car through it. Really, if you are serious in that buisness the best thing is to get into a building or property that you can live in/on. Then you can stomp them when they try this. Because there is no passive means of stopping people with stolen trucks, sledge hammers, torches, and on occasion even dynamite from smashing in to wherever the guns are. |
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Quoted: Carpentersville, shame such a nice area. I guess the gangs in Chicago are doing well now. Sounds like they've given up the subway for cars and commute to committ crimes. Your being sarcastic.right? Half the population is hispanic and the other half that ain't lives in section eight housing. It isn't even cook county(Chicago) Its lake county. These people aspire to be lower middle class. |
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Quoted: Quoted: That might work when you have 20 or 30 guns in stock, but when you have 350+ guns in stock, you simply can't do that. Believe me, RGUNS is a lot closer to the 20-30 gun range than the 350+ range. A [i]lot[/i] closer. You're right. The last time I was there, (a couple years ago) they had but a handful of handguns in their display cases. Unless things have changed, there is no excuse for not having the handguns locked up after closing time. They used to have long guns locked up in a safe though. They are in a small convenience store sort of mall with only about a half dozen or so businesses in the small building. They are so small, that, in fact for several years, they have shared their hole-in-the-wall store with Larry, an older gentleman who sells old coins and repairs watches.[:)] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Carpentersville, shame such a nice area. I guess the gangs in Chicago are doing well now. Sounds like they've given up the subway for cars and commute to committ crimes. Your being sarcastic.right? Half the population is hispanic and the other half that ain't lives in section eight housing. It isn't even cook county(Chicago) Its lake county. These people aspire to be lower middle class. First off, Shitheel, Carpentersville is in Kane County. Second, I grew up there, as did a lot of my white, upper middle-class friends. The only Section 8 is by Dundee-Crown High School (my alma mater), the Fox View Apartments. And while the Hispanic population is burgeoning, that's mostly due to Elgin spreading out to the north. Finally, RGUNS is on Rte 31, just north of Huntley Road, which is right by Spring Hill Mall and more Dundee than it is Carpentersville. Codycoyote, not only did Rink's get hit a couple weeks ago, but Joliet P.D. found a Glock .40 that was stolen in that burglary in an alley last week. Used in a shooting. Rink's has always been a little suspect from the viewpoint of law enforcement - they've never been too helpful when J.P.D. goes in trying to trace a gun. I didn't know you lived in Lockport - I work in Joliet. I'll I.M. you my phone #, give me a call. Carl, good to see you back. [;)] |