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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:14:09 PM EDT
While ranges vary based on ammunition, Ground. In an ADA role, the 25-mm automatic gun has a maxi-mum effective range of 3,000 meters against ground targets using HEI-T. link
It is a widely used weapon system in the US Military, installed on ground vehicles and naval vessels 
Bradley fighting vehicle: 
MK38 Naval variant: 
Bradley fucking shit up in Desert Storm 
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:17:41 PM EDT
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As a former Bradley Gunner I approve of this thread. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:18:28 PM EDT
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that's no bushwhacker
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:20:52 PM EDT
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Nice....
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:22:46 PM EDT
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Yeah but is the gas key properly staked?
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:24:12 PM EDT
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Yeah but is the gas key safety wire properly stakedinstalled? 
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:24:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:32:41 PM EDT
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:36:42 PM EDT
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:39:23 PM EDT
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:41:53 PM EDT
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is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? MILES laser. As a former gunner, I also approve of this thread. To the other Bradley gunners, yes, I have my Sears socket set still...
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:44:13 PM EDT
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Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). How difficult was it to pull out of the turret on the Bradley? In the LAV-25 it was a bitch because of the tight quarters and awkward angles. Honestly, the worst part was reconnecting the feed chutes, especially the AP feed chute closest to the driver's compartment. God, I miss the THUMP THUMP THUMP of that weapon system. It was awesome. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:46:39 PM EDT
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Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). SEAR select solenoid. Yes What is the primary purpose of the SEAR assembly?
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:47:19 PM EDT
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Fuck a bunch of Bradley training however.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:47:54 PM EDT
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MILES laser. As a former gunner, I also approve of this thread. To the other Bradley gunners, yes, I have my Sears socket set still... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? MILES laser. As a former gunner, I also approve of this thread. To the other Bradley gunners, yes, I have my Sears socket set still... The only weapon that required a 17mm socket wrench, shot a perfect 1000 on table 8 gunnery once. The back gauge looking thing is called the BPI Bolt Position Indicator |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:49:38 PM EDT
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SEAR select solenoid. Yes What is the primary purpose of the SEAR assembly? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). SEAR select solenoid. Yes What is the primary purpose of the SEAR assembly? Pssssh Feed select solenoid noob 
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:51:04 PM EDT
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Everyone probably saw this when they googled pictures of a "Bushmaster" after the Newtown shooting.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:51:52 PM EDT
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Nice gat.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:52:16 PM EDT
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Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). Smart gunners cut the end off the manual crank and chuck it up in an electric drill
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:53:48 PM EDT
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Rusty shit makes me angry! Salt spray be damned wtf squids?
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:54:34 PM EDT
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SEAR select solenoid. Yes What is the primary purpose of the SEAR assembly? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). SEAR select solenoid. Yes What is the primary purpose of the SEAR assembly? Christ, I can't remember. All I remember the the sear assembly cycled the weapon system, and that the grease stunk and was a bitch to get out of a uniform. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:56:33 PM EDT
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How difficult was it to pull out of the turret on the Bradley? In the LAV-25 it was a bitch because of the tight quarters and awkward angles. Honestly, the worst part was reconnecting the feed chutes, especially the AP feed chute closest to the driver's compartment. God, I miss the THUMP THUMP THUMP of that weapon system. It was awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). How difficult was it to pull out of the turret on the Bradley? In the LAV-25 it was a bitch because of the tight quarters and awkward angles. Honestly, the worst part was reconnecting the feed chutes, especially the AP feed chute closest to the driver's compartment. God, I miss the THUMP THUMP THUMP of that weapon system. It was awesome. It sucks in a Bradley I had many Bradley bites on my hands, we were timed taking the gun out and putting the gun back in the turret. Remember the track and bolt and that black grease shit we put on them? |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:58:15 PM EDT
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Isn't the Bradley aimed with basically iron sights? How easy (or not) is that?
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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:58:35 PM EDT
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Rusty shit makes me angry! Salt spray be damned wtf squids? Show me an M242 from a ship that doesn't have rust on the cap screws and I'll show you someone that replaced all the cap screws before the inspection
The feed sprocket knobs are a bitch to keep decent looking though...unless the gun never gets uncovered |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:02:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:03:01 PM EDT
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Christ, I can't remember. All I remember the the sear assembly cycled the weapon system, and that the grease stunk and was a bitch to get out of a uniform. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Manual sear select if memory serves me right. It's been 16 years since I've last touched the 25mm. Have any of you guys manually cranked that bitch to cycle all the way and fire? I think we did that once or twice on the range just to show us how (in case we had a complete power system failure). SEAR select solenoid. Yes What is the primary purpose of the SEAR assembly? Christ, I can't remember. All I remember the the sear assembly cycled the weapon system, and that the grease stunk and was a bitch to get out of a uniform. To positively position the roller assembly chain master link at the end of a firing burst thereby orienting gun components for feed selection. 3 long months of my life I'll never get back
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:04:11 PM EDT
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is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? If you're talking about the mk38 picture, yes it's an aimpoint, aimpoint mps to be exact |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:05:16 PM EDT
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last time I fired the 25mm was in osut. It was a pain in the ass to load up a full belt into the turret just to squeeze off a few shots. I think it weighed like 200 pounds
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:05:27 PM EDT
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To positively position the roller assembly chain master link at the end of a firing burst thereby orienting gun components for feed selection. 3 long months of my life I'll never get back We bask in the aura of your lethality master gunner-san. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:05:48 PM EDT
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Isn't the Bradley aimed with basically iron sights? How easy (or not) is that? I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:08:33 PM EDT
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I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the Bradley aimed with basically iron sights? How easy (or not) is that? I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. Well that doesn't sound so bad.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:10:06 PM EDT
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Want.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:10:46 PM EDT
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MILES laser. As a former gunner, I also approve of this thread. To the other Bradley gunners, yes, I have my Sears socket set still... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? MILES laser. As a former gunner, I also approve of this thread. To the other Bradley gunners, yes, I have my Sears socket set still... I think he's talking about the navy pic, and yes it is a giant aimpoint It's either an MPS or MPS2. Same electronics as the Comp M2 just a bigger lens and housing. The new one are the MPS3 which has the same electronics as the CompM4 |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:20:38 PM EDT
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I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the Bradley aimed with basically iron sights? How easy (or not) is that? I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. M3A3. We had LRF, 48x thermal and TV sights along with a Commanders independent viewer. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:25:27 PM EDT
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M3A3. We had LRF, 48x thermal and TV sights along with a Commanders independent viewer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't the Bradley aimed with basically iron sights? How easy (or not) is that? I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. M3A3. We had LRF, 48x thermal and TV sights along with a Commanders independent viewer. M3A2 ODS and M3A3 here.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:33:06 PM EDT
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Isn't the Bradley aimed with basically iron sights? How easy (or not) is that? I was on an M2A2 that had magnified ( high and low) second generation thermal sites and an AUX site, no laser rangefinder we had a range choke inside the site. M3A3. We had LRF, 48x thermal and TV sights along with a Commanders independent viewer. M3A2 ODS and M3A3 here.... I'm dating myself here. M2A1 and then M2A2 ODS. Who remembers the stupid water cooler in the back of the M2A1? What a waste of space. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:34:48 PM EDT
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It's nice and all, but it kinda loses it's pizzazz when next to a 120mm. Now that's a gun!
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Posted: 12/28/2013 5:41:54 PM EDT
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It's nice and all, but it kinda loses it's pizzazz when next to a 120mm. Now that's a gun! These boots were not made for walking. 
Don't you have some flair to rearrange on a bustle rack or something? |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 6:00:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: While ranges vary based on ammunition, Ground. In an ADA role, the 25-mm automatic gun has a maxi-mum effective range of 3,000 meters against ground targets using HEI-T. link It is a widely used weapon system in the US Military, installed on ground vehicles and naval vessels http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/images/m242_25mm_gun.jpg Bradley fighting vehicle: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/M2Bradley-M242.jpg MK38 Naval variant: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/US_Navy_090125-N-3931M-160_Information_Systems_Technician_3rd_Class_Adam_Gayner_mans_a_25MM_chain_gun_aboard_the_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Mason_%28DDG_87%29_while_monitoring_a_small_boat_transiting_from_the_merchant_vessel_MV_F.jpg/800px-thumbnail.jpg Bradley fucking shit up in Desert Storm http://pics.imcdb.org/0is38/wnewsgwi2.9352.jpg 1984 got back from Oki, signed up for new LAV Battalion. Pulled TAD to 29 Palms Test & Evaluation for LAV 25. Trained by GM and DELCO engineers on the vehicle and turret system. That was a bad ass motherfucker. Cruisin over rough terrrian and could still lay fire on target with the stabilization system. But la familia and The Corps were at odds. La familia took precidence. |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 6:03:28 PM EDT
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These turned up at a yard sale, and were picked up by a guy who thought my best friend would be interested.
He was, because he knew that I would love to have them for my cartridge collection. The projectile on the right has the "Bushmaster" cannon logo. I've never seen any others on the market, ever. 
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Posted: 12/28/2013 6:18:28 PM EDT
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Boner thread. Thanks OP.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:42:24 PM EDT
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1984 got back from Oki, signed up for new LAV Battalion. Pulled TAD to 29 Palms Test & Evaluation for LAV 25. Trained by GM and DELCO engineers on the vehicle and turret system. That was a bad ass motherfucker. Cruisin over rough terrrian and could still lay fire on target with the stabilization system. But la familia and The Corps were at odds. La familia took precidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While ranges vary based on ammunition, Ground. In an ADA role, the 25-mm automatic gun has a maxi-mum effective range of 3,000 meters against ground targets using HEI-T. link It is a widely used weapon system in the US Military, installed on ground vehicles and naval vessels http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/images/m242_25mm_gun.jpg Bradley fighting vehicle: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/M2Bradley-M242.jpg MK38 Naval variant: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/US_Navy_090125-N-3931M-160_Information_Systems_Technician_3rd_Class_Adam_Gayner_mans_a_25MM_chain_gun_aboard_the_guided-missile_destroyer_USS_Mason_%28DDG_87%29_while_monitoring_a_small_boat_transiting_from_the_merchant_vessel_MV_F.jpg/800px-thumbnail.jpg Bradley fucking shit up in Desert Storm http://pics.imcdb.org/0is38/wnewsgwi2.9352.jpg 1984 got back from Oki, signed up for new LAV Battalion. Pulled TAD to 29 Palms Test & Evaluation for LAV 25. Trained by GM and DELCO engineers on the vehicle and turret system. That was a bad ass motherfucker. Cruisin over rough terrrian and could still lay fire on target with the stabilization system. But la familia and The Corps were at odds. La familia took precidence. I take it you knew Sgt Mueller, Rosado, and Chandler? They may had been lance coolies or corporals at the time. I was engaged to the retired Master Gunnery Sgt Chandler's younger sister for awhile. The corp is a small place, yo! |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:45:05 PM EDT
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I can personally attest they are an absolute blast to fire. Especially when you put the tracer rounds right through the window of the old burned-out truck you are firing at some 1,000 meters away.
 However, if you ever get a jam be prepared for 2-3 hours of angry swearing.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2013 7:49:04 PM EDT
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Yes. Even had Aimpoint manufacturer's markings on the side IIRC. Functioned exactly like the smaller ones. The red knob is (I think) the sear select as others have said. I didn't do much work on the Mk38s since one of the other GMs had gone to the school and he fussed with them most of the time. They were finicky beasts. I'd rather have a Ma Deuce that works than a 25mm that doesn't 
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Posted: 12/29/2013 5:27:55 AM EDT
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Yes. Even had Aimpoint manufacturer's markings on the side IIRC. Functioned exactly like the smaller ones. The red knob is (I think) the sear feed select as others have said. I didn't do much work on the Mk38s since one of the other GMs had gone to the school and he fussed with them most of the time. They were finicky beasts. I'd rather have a Ma Deuce that works than a 25mm that doesn't Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Mk38s were the one weapon system on the ship that positively fucking hated me
Still a pretty cool gun when it works. is that a giant aimpoint in that pic? Also, what is the red lollipop lever? Yes. Even had Aimpoint manufacturer's markings on the side IIRC. Functioned exactly like the smaller ones. The red knob is (I think) the sear feed select as others have said. I didn't do much work on the Mk38s since one of the other GMs had gone to the school and he fussed with them most of the time. They were finicky beasts. I'd rather have a Ma Deuce that works than a 25mm that doesn't Loved my 25, loved the M2. Both work awesome with a good crew. 
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Posted: 12/29/2013 7:57:02 AM EDT
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These boots were not made for walking. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/FREE_clothing_cropped.jpg Don't you have some flair to rearrange on a bustle rack or something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's nice and all, but it kinda loses it's pizzazz when next to a 120mm. Now that's a gun! These boots were not made for walking. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/FREE_clothing_cropped.jpg Don't you have some flair to rearrange on a bustle rack or something? 
As a guy that was always in airborne infantry units that then got sent to an armor BN, I approve of this message. |
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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:10:26 AM EDT
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Scout's out
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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:14:56 AM EDT
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1984 got back from Oki, signed up for new LAV Battalion. Pulled TAD to 29 Palms Test & Evaluation for LAV 25. Trained by GM and DELCO engineers on the vehicle and turret system. That was a bad ass motherfucker. Cruisin over rough terrrian and could still lay fire on target with the stabilization system. But la familia and The Corps were at odds. La familia took precidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While ranges vary based on ammunition, Ground. In an ADA role, the 25-mm automatic gun has a maxi-mum effective range of [g[/url] 1984 got back from Oki, signed up for new LAV Battalion. Pulled TAD to 29 Palms Test & Evaluation for LAV 25. Trained by GM and DELCO engineers on the vehicle and turret system. That was a bad ass motherfucker. Cruisin over rough terrrian and could still lay fire on target with the stabilization system. But la familia and The Corps were at odds. La familia took precidence. spent some time with 'em at APV. BAM +1. Easy barrel change-out for such a large caliber weapon. The way ATK cuts the rifling on all it's chain guns is like magic. MK44 30/40 can lay down some serious hurt on mofos. |
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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:16:44 AM EDT
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Where can I get one?
Bilster PS Fuck Obama Fuck Biden Fuck Holder Fuck Cuomo Fuck Swinestain |
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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:25:26 AM EDT
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When I worked at McDonnell Douglas in Mesa, AZ - where they make all the Bushmaster cannons and chain guns for the Apaches, I spent a great deal of time in the building they made those. And I got to fire shells on our range. And I still have the fired cases. They button rifle a barrel in about 20 minutes.
To get in the building, you needed to work in that building or have clearance. I had clearance to go to every classified area on campus. I miss working there. I took a test ride in a Bradley in the Army, but I wasn't assigned mech. I went 11B airborne instead.
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Posted: 12/29/2013 8:27:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where can I get one? Bilster PS Fuck Obama Fuck Biden Fuck Holder Fuck Cuomo Fuck Swinestain Fuck Jack Hughes. He's the one that introduced the machine gun ban in 1984 and passed in 1986. ETA: And I asked about the employee purchase program for a Bushmaster and an md520 helicopter. No such luck. |
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