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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:09:18 PM EDT
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I would definitely pursue legal options. The Loomis guys were probably jealous because they are "rent-a-cops". [:D]
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:10:15 PM EDT
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I would make sure that Loomis Fargo bought me a year long pass to the theater.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:12:01 PM EDT
[#3]
Shoot his nuts off.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:13:57 PM EDT
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Do not let it pass. If he gets a way with it no other leagal carrier is prtected from his slander.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:16:29 PM EDT
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I would think that the contents of the armored car would be sufficient compensation.[50]
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:17:55 PM EDT
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To make matters worse I am just starting a political carrer I ran for NC Senate and got hosed, but I have a real shot at the County Commision in the next election. I really don't need to be seen being taken out of e movie theater by the Cops.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:18:09 PM EDT
[#7]
Time to play "Show me the money!" sue their asses off.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:22:10 PM EDT
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If for no other reason I would persue this just to create Loomis and their employee some headaches. I have a few lawyers in the family so it wouldn't cost me a dime either. ;)
If the guy was watching you soo closely then he should have been able to tell that you dropped it off at your car. Maybe you could say the trauma of having the police confront you at gunpoint was emotionally taxing and some compensation is in order. Even if it doesn't work at least it costs them $$$. How did they even see your weapon? |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:30:48 PM EDT
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Sue the bastards. Sue them back to the stone age.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:43:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: I would make sure that Loomis Fargo bought me a year long pass to the theater. Ditto, or compensates with $$$. Consult an attorney, preferably a pro-gun attorney. If you have a good case (and it appears to me you do) he may take your case pro-bono. Shake 'em up and Loomis will probably offer to settle. We're not just talking about a movie fare here, your political career is possibly at stake. You never know, things like this can come back to haunt you, even if you were in the right. At the very least, the Loomis guard should be fired, if not charged for giving a false statement to the police. |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:49:48 PM EDT
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The reason they say the weapon was that I was "open Carry" while at Old Navy. I go that way most of the time. It causes some hassles but often leads to some good conversations and the more people see guns in the hands of Law abiding Citizens the less of a problem it is.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 1:55:57 PM EDT
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Sure, sue them. Just make sure that you then NEVER complain about how all the lawyers have screwed things up for the rest of us, or bitch about "sue-happy" *anybody* ever again.
Or, you could try this in the court of public opinion, which seems to be the second option favored by many these days, particularly politicians. Make a big case about this treatment in the media, pressing the need for education and training among LE and rent-a-cops alike. It'd be a great opportunity to further a positive agenda for gun rights. You do make guna rights a part of your political platform don't you? Again, though, if you take this approach, I'd suggest you then abrogate any right to complain about how the media is misused by those with a particular ax to grind. On the horns of a dilemma... [;D] |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 2:14:10 PM EDT
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I'd defiantly make them squirm. Not sure what your chances are of winning anything since A) You didn't suffer any monetary loss over the incident. B) No damage was done to your reputation that resulted in financial or professional repercussions. C) I'm not sure if 'Good Samaritan' type laws apply here. The security guards could argue that they had reasonable suspicion that a firearms law was being broken. The police acted on good faith on that information and had an obligation to check it out. At least you weren't careless, lazy or unconcerned about bringing your gun into the theater (and I'd be reasonably certain that some CCW holders wouldn't have bothered stashing the gun in their car). Then you really would have been screwed. |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 2:14:31 PM EDT
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Take a stand Man... Too often we don't push the subject. Consult with a lawyer and take it to the limit.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 2:31:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sure, sue them. Just make sure that you then NEVER complain about how all the lawyers have screwed things up for the rest of us, or bitch about "sue-happy" *anybody* ever again. Or, you could try this in the court of public opinion, which seems to be the second option favored by many these days, particularly politicians. Make a big case about this treatment in the media, pressing the need for education and training among LE and rent-a-cops alike. It'd be a great opportunity to further a positive agenda for gun rights. You do make guna rights a part of your political platform don't you? Again, though, if you take this approach, I'd suggest you then abrogate any right to complain about how the media is misused by those with a particular ax to grind. On the horns of a dilemma... [;D] Very little chance of having a successful pro-gun story run in the MEDIA. C'mon, what're you thinking? They'll make it sound as if its HIS fault and further hinder his political career. Sue those sorry bastages! |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 2:39:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I would make sure that Loomis Fargo bought me a year long pass to the theater. Ditto, or compensates with $$$. Consult an attorney, preferably a pro-gun attorney. If you have a good case (and it appears to me you do) he may take your case pro-bono. Shake 'em up and Loomis will probably offer to settle. We're not just talking about a movie fare here, your political career is possibly at stake. You never know, things like this can come back to haunt you, even if you were in the right. At the very least, the Loomis guard should be fired, if not charged for giving a false statement to the police. Pursue both avenues. Civil cases: The theatre Loomis-Faggo The Police Department Criminal case: [b]PUSH[/b] for the charges against the man who committed the crimes by lying about you to the police. The rent-a-cops were obviously playing "police" thinking they were even responsible to follow around a law-abiding citizen waitign for you to "break" the law. Useless wannabes..... Scott |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 2:58:26 PM EDT
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aces and eights has a good point about potential damages.
i think a written apology from the rentacop is in order, but what else? were the (real) cops dicks about it? |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 3:47:46 PM EDT
[#18]
Kick him in the cunt.
AB |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 3:49:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: To make matters worse I am just starting a political carrer I ran for NC Senate and got hosed, but I have a real shot at the County Commision in the next election. I really don't need to be seen being taken out of e movie theater by the Cops. Well, that's politics for ya. AB |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 3:58:32 PM EDT
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I would definately at least talk to a Lawyer and see if you have a case. If they say yeah, then I would go after them. If we let people get away with this it will just get worse.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 4:19:25 PM EDT
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I can't see a reason to carry openly these days, unless you live in a really small town or something. Was it one of Ayoob's rules for carrying that said "Show your gun, go to jail"?
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Posted: 11/29/2002 6:09:08 PM EDT
[#22]
Stand up and make the bastards pay for what they did.
You followed the law and got hassled in public (not to mention the possible damage to your political aspirations). They broke the law by filing a false report. You did nothing wrong, they did. Don't let this stand unchallenged. |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 6:42:16 PM EDT
[#23]
I'd definately get a lawyer. They fucked with you, now fuck with them back. Even if you aren't going get a million dollars out of it, it's a good bet that they would pay out enough to at least cover the lawyer just to get you off their back.
It would be worth it to me even if I didn't get any money just to prove a point to them, "Just carry around you little bags of change and leave the detective work to the detectives". Just the fact that he followed you around proves that he wasn't just being a good samaritan reporting a crime that he saw. He was investigating for a crime. [b]Sue 'em all, just remember to say punitive damages a lot.[/b] |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 6:52:59 PM EDT
[#24]
I second putting a crew together.
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Posted: 11/29/2002 6:56:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: I can't see a reason to carry openly these days, unless you live in a really small town or something. Was it one of Ayoob's rules for carrying that said "Show your gun, go to jail"? i think open carrying is great get people used to seeing them |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 6:59:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I can't see a reason to carry openly these days, unless you live in a really small town or something. Was it one of Ayoob's rules for carrying that said "Show your gun, go to jail"? i think open carrying is great get people used to seeing them Open carry is just a polite way of saying, "Don't fuck with me today". |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:22:09 PM EDT
[#27]
STOP lying, and post honest shit. Thats what I would do...........
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:23:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: STOP lying, and post honest shit. Thats what I would do........... huh? |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:28:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: Quoted: STOP lying, and post honest shit. Thats what I would do........... huh? Read ADTECHARMS post it is full of discrepancies. I will explain it to you if you want me to............ |
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:29:42 PM EDT
[#30]
Just for the fun of it......
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:33:11 PM EDT
[#31]
sounds to me like you've got some really shakey Square Badges working in that armored car company. Their ass would be mine!
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:34:34 PM EDT
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I think it is definitely to your advantage to NOT let people know you are carrying. Open carry may be symbolic, being able to say yeah I got a gun what are you going to do about it? But really, what is the tactical advantage of open carry?
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Posted: 11/29/2002 7:39:23 PM EDT
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How did you get a copy of the 911 tape?
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Posted: 11/30/2002 7:02:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'd defiantly make them squirm. Not sure what your chances are of winning anything since A) You didn't suffer any monetary loss over the incident. Actually I did but they where small, I bought a ticket, candy, soda and popcorn which I had to leave in the theater when I was asked to leave. B) No damage was done to your reputation that resulted in financial or professional repercussions. I won't kn ow this until the 2004 election cycle. C) I'm not sure if 'Good Samaritan' type laws apply here. The security guards could argue that they had reasonable suspicion that a firearms law was being broken. The police acted on good faith on that information and had an obligation to check it out. How could they have reasonably believed that a firearms law was being broken when I was unarmed going into the theater which they specifically said I was? At least you weren't careless, lazy or unconcerned about bringing your gun into the theater (and I'd be reasonably certain that some CCW holders wouldn't have bothered stashing the gun in their car). Then you really would have been screwed. As stupid as some of the carry laws are here I do try to obey them as best I can. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 7:15:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think it is definitely to your advantage to NOT let people know you are carrying. Open carry may be symbolic, being able to say yeah I got a gun what are you going to do about it? But really, what is the tactical advantage of open carry? Yeah, if it's not hidden, and a gunman comes in, YOU'RE the first target. But it is neat that you can. Just keep an eye out for gunmen. Here in Texas, you can carry but no one can be able to see or identify it. |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 8:49:29 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: I can't see a reason to carry openly these days, unless you live in a really small town or something. Was it one of Ayoob's rules for carrying that said "Show your gun, go to jail"? Not in places that have open carry..... Scott |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 9:38:10 AM EDT
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From a political future point of view, [b]make[/b] the law work, charges for the ‘false statement to a Law Agency’.
1. Charges filed and a conviction, you win. The system can work, sometimes. 2. Charges filed and no conviction, you win, you now have an issue to add to you political life. The system is setup to screw law-abiding citizens and reward liars. Civil actions can be viewed as or turned into (by media or opponents) as a crybaby event (only for those with a political life). Although you must get a victory out of this, even if you have to go with civil actions, should a criminal case fail. Without a victory of some type this has more downsides for your political future than up. SSD |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 9:49:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: STOP lying, and post honest shit. Thats what I would do........... huh? Read ADTECHARMS post it is full of discrepancies. I will explain it to you if you want me to............ What discrepancies are you referring to? Please explain them... |
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Posted: 11/30/2002 12:37:11 PM EDT
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I would sure love to know how exactly I am lying also. Especially from someone who was in ND and not there.
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