Posted: 12/6/2013 9:02:52 PM EDT
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How is it that a piece of plastic with all the technology of a $20 garage door opener have replaced actual keys... for the low cost of $100?
What kind of bullshit have we allowed the auto industry to pull on us? |
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supply and demand. your more or less paying for the branded coding side of it.
garage door opener codes are much more simple to crack. when you get into rolling codes it gets very hard to crack and then you are paying for the brand name. can always replace them in vehicles with aftermarket stuff that can be cheaper or just eliminate them all together. |
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supply and demand. your more or less paying for the branded coding side of it. garage door opener codes are much more simple to crack. when you get into rolling codes it gets very hard to crack and then you are paying for the brand name. can always replace them in vehicles with aftermarket stuff that can be cheaper or just eliminate them all together. Garage door openers have been using rolling codes for awhile. |
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Garage door openers have been using rolling codes for awhile. Quoted:
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supply and demand. your more or less paying for the branded coding side of it. garage door opener codes are much more simple to crack. when you get into rolling codes it gets very hard to crack and then you are paying for the brand name. can always replace them in vehicles with aftermarket stuff that can be cheaper or just eliminate them all together. Garage door openers have been using rolling codes for awhile. Yeah, it's hard to find one that isn't. The tech is everywhere, and the OP is right, the key fob thing IS a damned racket. |
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Yeah, it's hard to find one that isn't. The tech is everywhere, and the OP is right, the key fob thing IS a damned racket. Quoted:
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supply and demand. your more or less paying for the branded coding side of it. garage door opener codes are much more simple to crack. when you get into rolling codes it gets very hard to crack and then you are paying for the brand name. can always replace them in vehicles with aftermarket stuff that can be cheaper or just eliminate them all together. Garage door openers have been using rolling codes for awhile. Yeah, it's hard to find one that isn't. The tech is everywhere, and the OP is right, the key fob thing IS a damned racket. I wouln't say it's so much a racket because they can be bought from places other than the dealer. It's the dealer that charges an arm and a leg. My local Audi dealer said they would code my key for $60. |
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If it's a dealer-only item it's going to cost 2-10X what would seem reasonable for the item.
Aftermarket parts profits are a big part of what dealers subsist on. And what the OEMs subsist on. (they're selling the fobs to the dealers at a hefty markup and the dealers base their markup on that price). Stuff that is critical to use of the vehicle and is also not likely to be subject to warranty claims will get priced at a nice high price. |
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I just read a story about a a guy who dropped his wife off let's say it''s a nail salon "she had he key" he went for coffee , parked and shut off the car... Car no work now if she was on a flight to Detroit Sounds like this story involved the keyless starting fobs. One nice thing about a physical key (even if it has security electronics) is that there's only one place for it to be for the car to start. |
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Sounds like this story involved the keyless starting fobs. One nice thing about a physical key (even if it has security electronics) is that there's only one place for it to be for the car to start. Quoted:
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I just read a story about a a guy who dropped his wife off let's say it''s a nail salon "she had he key" he went for coffee , parked and shut off the car... Car no work now if she was on a flight to Detroit Sounds like this story involved the keyless starting fobs. One nice thing about a physical key (even if it has security electronics) is that there's only one place for it to be for the car to start. LOL... Keyless start. Badass03 and I were heading to a match a few years ago when some ladies pulled in to the gas station and locked themselves in their Corvette with one of those things. Imagine that, the key shouldn't be in the trunk. |
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I just read a story about a a guy who dropped his wife off let's say it''s a nail salon "she had he key" he went for coffee , parked and shut off the car... Car no work now if she was on a flight to Detroit Hadn't even thought about situation... I would rage 
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A lot of those push to start cars, you're fucked if the FOB's batt dies or malfunctions. My M3, you could insert the fob if you needed to start the car or leave it in your pocket (there was a key if you needed to open the door). iirc my ex's Lexus didn't have a real key or a way to start the car if the FOB malf'd. Her's did once and I had to come get her.
I sold off my BMW, I still drive my 11yr truck. It has a key, you can start it w/o pressing the brake pedal, the fucking truck works and doesn't have any weird gizmos. I don't want nav, push to start, stop at light bs, on-start/entune/etc. All I want is a comfortable, well built truck, with leather. All the techno shit can go fuck a goat. |
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I don't even want the leather....just get rid of the damned automatic locks! Quoted:
I don't want nav, push to start, stop at light bs, on-start/entune/etc. All I want is a comfortable, well built truck, with leather. All the techno shit can go fuck a goat. I don't even want the leather....just get rid of the damned automatic locks! That is amazingly difficult to do. Last truck i bought we went thru fleet sales .Bought the exact truck used by the local electric utility. It still came with electric windows, door locks and a CD player. It DID have rubber floor mats though.
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Quoted: This, but you program it yourself. They come with easy to do-it-yourself instructions. I bought keys and fobs shipped for less than $20 shipped. Quoted: Quoted: Check eBay, most FOBs can be bought online and programmed by the dealer. This, but you program it yourself. They come with easy to do-it-yourself instructions. I bought keys and fobs shipped for less than $20 shipped. |
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How is it that a piece of plastic with all the technology of a $20 garage door opener have replaced actual keys... for the low cost of $100? What kind of bullshit have we allowed the auto industry to pull on us? $100? Your car must be a decade old. The average for a lot of cars is much higher now. Lots of vehicles have push-button start with "smart" keys that cost 3-10x that much. A Hyundai smart key is usually around $300 plus programming. We have had used vehicles like Infinitis that needed keys come through the shop and we paid upwards of $700 for ONE key. |