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11/20/2002 1:15:27 PM EDT
Did You Know:

Compared to other industrialized countries, a child in America is:
 
. 12 times more likely to
be killed with a gun


. 16 times more likely to
be murdered with a gun


. 9 times more likely to
be killed in an unintentional
shooting


. 2 times more likely to kill
themselves with a gun

 
Over the past several decades, guns have begun to pose a deadly threat to the youth of our nation.  At school and in our communities, children face the lethal reality of a society where guns are common and easy to obtain.  Every day in America, 6 people are shot and killed in school, and many more face guns on a daily basis.  In many cases, youth in America wonder whether or not they will survive to adulthood.  Handgun-Free America was founded to address the growing problem of handgun violence facing all of us in America.  With your help, we can once again make America a safe place for our children to grow up in.  By becoming a member, you will allow your voice to be counted in the effort to rid ourselves of the handgun epidemic once and for all.  Join us today.  
 
Take a stand with us, become a member of Handgun-Free America.
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Every voice counts, so please, for the safety of our children,
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A non profit organization dedicated to the ban of private handgun ownership in the U.S.
11/20/2002 1:18:18 PM EDT
[#1]
I got that same email aroud noon today.

Wonder if they're getting it from hits to pro-gun sites?
11/20/2002 1:21:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Of course I want to know where they received those numbers.

First of all, to them what defines "industrial"?

Tents that have a well of water next to them??
I mean, those well pumps are very "Modern".

Seriously, I have no doubt in my mind that these stats were aquired retorically, twisted by their nature.

11/20/2002 1:22:55 PM EDT
[#3]
If every voice really counts maybe we should all join and let these shitforbrains hear [b]our[/b] voices!!  
11/20/2002 1:36:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Statistics also define children as 25 year old crack dealer ghetto bastards.  Lets pray more of them get gunned down for the sake of the stats!
11/20/2002 1:49:23 PM EDT
[#5]
6 children are killed [i]in[/i] school every day?  That's 2190 deaths per year.  I'm thinking that they are full of shit.
11/20/2002 1:54:50 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Every day in America, 6 people are shot and killed in school
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Isn't it amazing that we [b]never[/b] hear about these school killings? The liberal media wouldn't pass up the opportunity to glorify that much school gun violence.

There aren't even that many in the whole world.
11/20/2002 1:55:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Go ahead and contact these bastards... hehehehe


General Inquiries:  [email protected]
Membership Information:  [email protected]
Volunteer Information:  [email protected]
Research Information:  [email protected]
Press Inquiries:  [email protected]
Newsletter Editor:  [email protected]
Employment Inquiries:  [email protected]
Website Information:  [email protected]
11/20/2002 1:58:09 PM EDT
[#8]
handgunsforfree.org ?

sign me up!
11/20/2002 2:00:51 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Go ahead and contact these bastards... hehehehe


General Inquiries:  [email protected]
Membership Information:  [email protected]
Volunteer Information:  [email protected]
Research Information:  [email protected]
Press Inquiries:  [email protected]
Newsletter Editor:  [email protected]
Employment Inquiries:  [email protected]
Website Information:  [email protected]
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Might I suggest we ALL inquire about their FREE HANDGUN offer... [:D]
11/20/2002 2:00:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Does the email qualifies as spam?  You might be able to make an issue of it with their ISP.
11/20/2002 2:05:15 PM EDT
[#11]
They require a network password just to get on that site.
Any way to get a password, you techno-junkies? [;D]
11/20/2002 2:14:27 PM EDT
[#12]
By their numbers 2190 people are shot and killed in school each year.
Why dont I see this on the news?
11/20/2002 2:15:35 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Go ahead and contact these bastards... hehehehe


General Inquiries:  [email protected]
Membership Information:  [email protected]
Volunteer Information:  [email protected]
Research Information:  [email protected]
Press Inquiries:  [email protected]
Newsletter Editor:  [email protected]
Employment Inquiries:  [email protected]
Website Information:  [email protected]
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Might I suggest we ALL inquire about their FREE HANDGUN offer... [:D]
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e-mail sent.

This e-mail is in regards to your free handgun offer.

I am not a Federal Firearms License holder, but I can make arrangements to receive this free handgun through a local gun shop.  Please let me know what kind of handgun it is, because I would hate to have two of the same kind in my collection.

Thank You.

PS -You should probably check the legality of transferring firearms without performing a background check.
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[:D]
11/20/2002 2:26:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:

General Inquiries:  [email protected]
Membership Information:  [email protected]
Volunteer Information:  [email protected]
Research Information:  [email protected]
Press Inquiries:  [email protected]
Newsletter Editor:  [email protected]
Employment Inquiries:  [email protected]
Website Information:  [email protected]
View Quote


Might I suggest we ALL inquire about their FREE HANDGUN offer... [:D]
View Quote


e-mail sent.

This e-mail is in regards to your free handgun offer.

I am not a Federal Firearms License holder, but I can make arrangements to receive this free handgun through a local gun shop.  Please let me know what kind of handgun it is, because I would hate to have two of the same kind in my collection.

Thank You.

PS -You should probably check the legality of transferring firearms without performing a background check.
View Quote

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Copy/Paste/Send. Who knew being an asshole could be this much fun? [:D]

Is it wrong to enjoy this so much?
11/20/2002 2:36:05 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
6 children are killed [i]in[/i] school every day?  That's 2190 deaths per year.  I'm thinking that they are full of shit.
View Quote


You're VERY correct.

That is total bullshit. We would have heard about it IF it were true. I would say the number is closer to 20/year.
11/20/2002 3:03:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Employment Inquiries:  [email protected]
View Quote


WOO HOO! I might be able to get a job now!
11/20/2002 3:13:05 PM EDT
[#17]
Email sent.

I would like to see the Information that gave you these stats.  As I find it hard to believe that "6 people are shot and killed in school, in America each day".

Thank you ,
***********

(Attached was the email from above)
11/20/2002 8:31:21 PM EDT
[#18]
How did that go again? Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics...

[dracula]
11/20/2002 8:42:47 PM EDT
[#19]
My ISP allows me to send really, really, really big e-mail attachments. Repeatedly. Via remailer, of course.

cynic
11/20/2002 9:00:37 PM EDT
[#20]
[img]http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/2M16.gif[/img]

Free guns?!

I can't beleive they have the nerve to spam....

[img]http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/lsabre.gif[/img]
11/21/2002 9:03:47 AM EDT
[#21]
[b]Reply to research link:[/b]

"Wow, are you sure this is right?  How could that be?  That would be a net average of 2190 people killed in schools per year.  Why isn't this in the mainstream media?  Did you make it up for shock value?  Or is your statistician a clown that can't count correctly?

You may want to rethink how you mass email your propaganda.  I just hope your ISP allows SPAM, otherwise you may be searching out a new one.

Thank you."

[b]Reply to info link:[/b]

"This e-mail is in regards to your free handgun offer.

I am not a Federal Firearms License holder, but I can make arrangements to receive this free handgun through a local gun shop. Please let me know what kind of handgun it is, because I would hate to have two of the same kind in my collection.

Thank You.

PS -You should probably check the legality of transferring firearms without performing a background check"

[b]Just thought it would be fun to send the same email from about 3000 different addresses.

Ed[/b]
11/21/2002 5:29:51 PM EDT
[#22]
This is the Response I got.

xxxxxx,

Thank you for inquiring about the number of students killed in schools every day in America.  The source for these statistics is a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  The study is:

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.  "Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries - United States, 1993-1998."  Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.  CDC Surveillance Series.  Vol. 50, No. SS-2.  April 13, 2001.

If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thanks,

Chris McGrath
Handgun-Free America
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Question about Email (Did You Know )


I would like to see the Information that gave you these stats.  As I find it hard to believe that "6 people are shot and killed in school, in America each day".

Thankyou ,
xxxx


11/21/2002 5:42:40 PM EDT
[#23]
[url]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5002a1.htm[/url]

Here's their report. I note that they call adults 24 years old children as the report states that "Black males aged 20--24 years had the highest average annual fatal (166.7/100,000 population) and nonfatal (689.4/100,000 population) firearm-related injury rates during the 6-year period"

Hell where I come from if you're 18 you're adult enough to join the military, vote, drive, get married - but they're still "children".

Also noticed that "an estimated average of 115,000 firearm-related injuries (including 35,200 fatal and 79,400 nonfatal injuries)" Mentions nothing at all about school. Figure five days a week, eight hours a day, a couple hundred days a year and those numbers are going to shrink way down - not many of those 24 year old children are going to be in school anyway.

If the problem was with guns and not crime and violence why are "Males were seven times more likely to die or be treated in a hospital ED for a gunshot wound than females"?

About half of the 35,000 firearm deaths are self inflicted - "15,000 unintentional gunshot". Do guns cause sucide? Why haven't we killed ourselves then?

Compare these numbers with the accidental deaths caused by cars and doctors and they pale quickly.
11/21/2002 5:49:19 PM EDT
[#24]
[img]http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/s002a1f3.gif[/img]

Looks like if your male, black or hispanic you're more likely to be involved with firearms. I would like to see the numbers from the government of the sex and race of legal gun owners. Then I'd like to see government numbers on the percentage of gang members by sex and race ... anyone want to bet that that chart is going to look like the one posted above or that the majority of firearms aren't the cause ... that it's a few in the wrong hands???

These people are amazingly stupid and shallow.
11/21/2002 6:06:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Ive gotten those emails before. Trashed them after the first 3 sentences.