[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why does GD hate libertarians? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/31/2013 12:59:09 PM EDT
| Just curious? I agree with a lot of their views except for their open border policy and the fact that we shouldn't have military bases over seas. A huge plus for their party is they are pro bill of rights and anti welfare. Break it down for me GD because it seems like they would be the rights allies. |
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There's no such thing as a libertarian - there are about 20 different platforms that all CLAIM to be libertarian.
Tell me what the SPECIFIC platform is - I.e. positions on abortion, immigration, defense spending, foreign policy, environmental protection, welfare, corporate taxes, infrastructure spending, farm subsidies, etc ... And THEN we can have a discussion about what's to like and not like. |
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Just curious? I agree with a lot of their views except for their open border policy and the fact that we shouldn't have military bases over seas. A huge plus for their party is they are pro bill of rights and anti welfare, Break it down for me GD because it seems like they would be the rights allies. That's two pretty big sticking points for me right there.... Isolationism just isn't a viable option anymore. But pretty much all of the libertarian domestic agenda is spot on. |
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Because a lot of them are emotionally (and otherwise) invested in a political party rather than actual politics. As long as "their team" wins, they're happy. Regardless of what their team actually DOES. There is hormone treatment available under Obamacare that will help balance their emotional issues. |
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Quoted: There's no such thing as a libertarian - there are about 20 different platforms that all CLAIM to be libertarian. Tell me what the SPECIFIC platform is - I.e. positions on abortion, immigration, defense spending, foreign policy, environmental protection, welfare, corporate taxes, infrastructure spending, arm subsidies, etc ... And THEN we can have a discussion about what's to like and not like. Also, you have to show that the libertarians on this site are actually members of the party with that platform.  Which you can't, since most of us aren't members and don't care to be. |
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There's no such thing as a libertarian - there are about 20 different platforms that all CLAIM to be libertarian. Tell me what the SPECIFIC platform is - I.e. positions on abortion, immigration, defense spending, foreign policy, environmental protection, welfare, corporate taxes, infrastructure spending, farm subsidies, etc ... And THEN we can have a discussion about what's to like and not like. QFT. I don't hate libertarians, I'm just allergic to the stench of nag champa and weed that seems to follow most self proclaimed libertarians around. |
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Quoted: I'm getting the drift and anyone who votes libertarian in my opinion vote really doesn't mean shit. And no school holiday the army gets off early on Thursday. Except most of us don't vote Libertarian. That's why we're pissy, we've been voting Republican for years, and get shit on for it... |
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They tend to alienate both liberals and religious conservatives.
Religious conservatives are generally opposed to gay marriage, abortion, birth control and drug use. Libertarians think that the government has no business in those areas except in extreme cases. Liberals are in favor of a big government with lots of social programs and regulations. Libertarians think that the government has no business in those areas except in extreme cases. |
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* open borders * complete military isolationism * complete international free trade and a couple other issues there is a time and place for regulation, and it needs to make sense. that being said all levels of government have grown too large, especially the fed who has essentially emerged on top. people expect libertarians to tow the party line 100%, which isn't anymore true for them as it is democrats or republicans. the most common retort slung around here is "doesn't seem very libertarian to me". everyone constantly accuses people of not being "libertarian enough" and thus a failure or a total "whack bird paulbot". and then can't forget - we are "stealing votes from the R candidate" when it's convenient, but also "too small to be taken seriously" when it's convenient. make up your damn minds. the RINOs, statists, and "moral majority" here seem to have an irrational interest in big government. whether that's because they directly profit from a large gov (by direct employment or contract) or because they expect the gov't to do their dirty work for them, by keeping the pot smoking inkie homo's in line. |
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Quoted: Posting self-pitying, attention-whoring threads like this, for one.  Seriously, 'Why do people hate Libertarians?' threads are practically a weekly occurrence here. Quoted: Why does GD hate libertarians? Posting self-pitying, attention-whoring threads like this, for one. Seriously, 'Why do people hate Libertarians?' threads are practically a weekly occurrence here. Almost all the threads I've been seeing lately with libertarian in the title, have been started by people who blame them for everything wrong with this country.  |
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i disagree with: * open borders * complete military isolationism * complete international free trade and a couple other issues there is a time and place for regulation, and it needs to make sense. all levels of government have grown too large, especially the fed who has essentially emerged on top. people expect libertarians to tow the party line 100%, which isn't anymore true for them as it is democrats or republicans. the RINOs, statists, and "moral majority" here seem to have an irrational interest in big government. whether that's because they directly profit from a large gov (by direct employment or contract) or because they expect the gov't to do their dirty work for them, by keeping the pot smoking inkie homo's in line. I disagree with legalizing pot. 
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I am a libertarian Republican, not a Libertarian. There are issues with embracing the philosophy. 1) People don't really get what it means, even many self professed libertarians. Many agree with some of it, but not with allowing people to do things they find distasteful. 3) Many Republicans are theocrats first and economically libertarian second, and this creates the huge divide we see on a daily basis. I like to describe the Republican party as having three encompassing groups. 1) Social conservatives: Their main goal is to make real life return to the portrayal in the old TV show, "Leave it to Beaver." They are willing to enforce this vision of what society should be like with the full force of the Federal government. This is contrary to everything a libertarian believes about good social policy. This is a modern phenomenon, which began to take hold when the socially conservative Democrats jumped ship after the passage of the 1965 Civil Rights Act. Now that the coalition of social conservatives include much of the traditional Democratic Party, it has become the dominant of the Republican factions. 2) Libertarians: Their goal is to reduce the size and scope of government. Some, such as myself are more radical libertarians, wanting the drastically limited government model forced upon states and local governments. The "constitutionalist" Republicans, such as Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, would prefer to simply return to a literal interpretation of the constitution, in which these principles guide federal policy but states can do whatever more they want. I am not in that camp but I get along with them just fine. These Republicans follow the the philosophy of Barry Goldwater, and are the closest of the modern factions to the original conservative movement of the 1950's. 3)The Establishment: The establishment seeks to, or at least pretend to, placate both of the passionate wings as best they can to maintain power. This is why establishment guys say so many stupid things on television. It is truly impossible to make the radical social conservatives and the radical libertarians simultaneously happy, so their arguments simply don't make sense and everyone remotely passionate about Republican politics universally hates them. To compound their philosophical inconsistencies, they tend to not follow through on anything they promise, and seem to care only about maintaining power. Another reason why everyone universally hates them. |
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Almost all the threads I've been seeing lately with libertarian in the title, have been started by people who blame them for everything wrong with this country.
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Why does GD hate libertarians? Posting self-pitying, attention-whoring threads like this, for one.
Seriously, 'Why do people hate Libertarians?' threads are practically a weekly occurrence here. Almost all the threads I've been seeing lately with libertarian in the title, have been started by people who blame them for everything wrong with this country.
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Just curious? I agree with a lot of their views except for their open border policy and the fact that we shouldn't have military bases over seas. A huge plus for their party is they are pro bill of rights and anti welfare. Break it down for me GD because it seems like they would be the rights allies. Big L Libertarians that haven't done jack in forty years except bitch and moan about weed, or little L? Little L's are generally cool except for the obnoxious minority constantly whining about how much they love the constitution, freedom, liberty puppy dogs, and how everyone hates them for constantly whining about what super lovers of liberty they are. |
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Then you're in luck! Libertarians can't get elected dog catcher, so no. They're not politicians.
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Are libertarians politicians? If so, I hate 'em. I'm an equal opportunity hater when it comes to dbag politicians. Then you're in luck! Libertarians can't get elected dog catcher, so no. They're not politicians.
Hmmm....technically a libertarian wouldn't run for dog catcher because they wouldn't believe that position should even exist, right? |
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QFT. I don't hate libertarians, I'm just allergic to the stench of nag champa and weed that seems to follow most self proclaimed libertarians around. Quoted:
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There's no such thing as a libertarian - there are about 20 different platforms that all CLAIM to be libertarian. Tell me what the SPECIFIC platform is - I.e. positions on abortion, immigration, defense spending, foreign policy, environmental protection, welfare, corporate taxes, infrastructure spending, farm subsidies, etc ... And THEN we can have a discussion about what's to like and not like. QFT. I don't hate libertarians, I'm just allergic to the stench of nag champa and weed that seems to follow most self proclaimed libertarians around. QFT2 BigDozer66 |
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I disagree with legalizing pot. Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to tell you that you are prohibited from identifying yourself as a libertarian for that alone. I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't identify yourself as. But if you are also against the 2a (doubt it since you're here...) and a bunch of other issues that most people would consider items in the pool of "freedom", then I'm just going to 
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Quoted: Hmmm....technically a libertarian wouldn't run for dog catcher because they wouldn't believe that position should even exist, right? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are libertarians politicians? If so, I hate 'em. I'm an equal opportunity hater when it comes to dbag politicians. Then you're in luck! Libertarians can't get elected dog catcher, so no. They're not politicians. Hmmm....technically a libertarian wouldn't run for dog catcher because they wouldn't believe that position should even exist, right? See, when you try to over-analyze a joke, it becomes even less funny that it was to begin with. |
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Quoted: You need to look harder. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why does GD hate libertarians? Posting self-pitying, attention-whoring threads like this, for one. Seriously, 'Why do people hate Libertarians?' threads are practically a weekly occurrence here. Almost all the threads I've been seeing lately with libertarian in the title, have been started by people who blame them for everything wrong with this country. You need to look harder.  |
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Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to tell you that you are prohibited from identifying yourself as a libertarian for that alone. I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't identify yourself as. But if you are also against the 2a (doubt it since you're here...) and a bunch of other issues that most people would consider items in the pool of "freedom", then I'm just going to Quoted:
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I disagree with legalizing pot. Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to tell you that you are prohibited from identifying yourself as a libertarian for that alone. I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't identify yourself as. But if you are also against the 2a (doubt it since you're here...) and a bunch of other issues that most people would consider items in the pool of "freedom", then I'm just going to The point here is that libertarians have no solid platform. Some of them just want legal pot. Some want strict adherence to the constitution. Some just want a limitless supply of tinfoil for hat making. |
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It's an imaginary beast that causes Republicans to lose elections. Quoted:
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There's no such thing as a libertarian It's an imaginary beast that causes Republicans to lose elections. No kidding. It's like the bogeyman under the bed AND the dog that ate your homework, all rolled into one. |
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The point here is that libertarians have no solid platform. Some of them just want legal pot. Some want strict adherence to the constitution. Some just want a limitless supply of tinfoil for hat making. Quoted:
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I disagree with legalizing pot. Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to tell you that you are prohibited from identifying yourself as a libertarian for that alone. I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't identify yourself as. But if you are also against the 2a (doubt it since you're here...) and a bunch of other issues that most people would consider items in the pool of "freedom", then I'm just going to The point here is that libertarians have no solid platform. Some of them just want legal pot. Some want strict adherence to the constitution. Some just want a limitless supply of tinfoil for hat making. I can find republicans on both sides of pretty much every issue just as easily. |
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Hmmm....technically a libertarian wouldn't run for dog catcher because they wouldn't believe that position should even exist, right? Quoted:
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Are libertarians politicians? If so, I hate 'em. I'm an equal opportunity hater when it comes to dbag politicians. Then you're in luck! Libertarians can't get elected dog catcher, so no. They're not politicians.
Hmmm....technically a libertarian wouldn't run for dog catcher because they wouldn't believe that position should even exist, right? That's kinda like how the Constitution would have limited President Ron Paul from about 87% of the shit he said he wanted to do as President.... |
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Quoted: There's no such thing as a libertarian - there are about 20 different platforms that all CLAIM to be libertarian. Tell me what the SPECIFIC platform is - I.e. positions on abortion, immigration, defense spending, foreign policy, environmental protection, welfare, corporate taxes, infrastructure spending, farm subsidies, etc ... And THEN we can have a discussion about what's to like and not like. |
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The point here is that libertarians have no solid platform. Some of them just want legal pot. Some want strict adherence to the constitution. Some just want a limitless supply of tinfoil for hat making. Quoted:
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I disagree with legalizing pot. Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not going to tell you that you are prohibited from identifying yourself as a libertarian for that alone. I'm not going to tell you what you can and can't identify yourself as. But if you are also against the 2a (doubt it since you're here...) and a bunch of other issues that most people would consider items in the pool of "freedom", then I'm just going to The point here is that libertarians have no solid platform. Some of them just want legal pot. Some want strict adherence to the constitution. Some just want a limitless supply of tinfoil for hat making. I guess you could say that libertarians are the "I'm fed up with both republicans and democrats" party. Also there's different degrees of libertarians. Some are more moderate while others are total raving lunatics and kooks. In any event you should be thankful for the 'legalize pot' libertarians. Usually they would just vote for dems if their goal is pot legalization because the conservatives take a hard line on social issues. |
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There's no such thing as a libertarian - there are about 20 different platforms that all CLAIM to be libertarian. Tell me what the SPECIFIC platform is - I.e. positions on abortion, immigration, defense spending, foreign policy, environmental protection, welfare, corporate taxes, infrastructure spending, farm subsidies, etc ... And THEN we can have a discussion about what's to like and not like. |
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Too many here have suffered either directly or indirectly from the effects of those dirty L's and their pot needles Quoted: Libertarians are like the bisexuals of politics. Then it would seem the current batch of Republicans is mostly comprised of pre-op transvestites. |
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Then it would seem the current batch of Republicans is mostly comprised of pre-op transvestites spineless eunuchs. Quoted:
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Libertarians are like the bisexuals of politics. Then it would seem the current batch of Republicans is mostly comprised of pre-op transvestites spineless eunuchs. FIFY |
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The funny thing is there is a very active thread on DU massively hating on libertarians. I think they are even more unpopular over there. The overall trend is that government is failing and people are losing faith in it. I understand this, but the idea that someday everyone who was involved in government will magically disappear and we'll get an all-new one is childish. The fact is when our regime goes under it will leave a massive power vacuum which will be filled in part or maybe even mostly by people that were in government before but managed to stay in-country and keep their heads. Elections still matter and "letting the Democrats have it" is counter-productive to their self-stated goals aside from recreational drug use. |