Posted: 10/23/2013 7:52:34 PM EDT
| ... |
|
Quoted:
Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. Quoted:
Quoted:
Chases should be treated as lethal force. Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. |
|
Quoted:
It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Chases should be treated as lethal force. Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. You calling Dawg low class?.............That's not even laughable.........I'm not going to end up getting banned or locked over you....... 
|
|
Quoted:
It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Chases should be treated as lethal force. Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. Perhaps I should elaborate. Shoot everyone? No, certain cases where deadly force is warranted? Yes. Oh, and I was hit and injured (working the main gate, I car surfed the hood of his Vauxhall) by a drunk GS-14 as a wee lad of 19 at RAF Chicksands, UK, in 1984. I didn't shoot him, but I could've. May I ask how many pursuits, or imminent death by speeding drunk/fleeing/escaped cons/felon motorists you have faced in your career? |
|
Quoted:
You calling Dawg low class?.............That's not even laughable.........I'm not going to end up getting banned or locked over you....... Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Chases should be treated as lethal force. Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. You calling Dawg low class?.............That's not even laughable.........I'm not going to end up getting banned or locked over you....... Get banned if you want - but please don't use this thread to grab for more leeway in the use of deadly force - or any other agenda. A man is dead. Take your arguments elsewhere, or save them for another time. |
|
Quoted:
You calling Dawg low class?.............That's not even laughable.........I'm not going to end up getting banned or locked over you....... Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Chases should be treated as lethal force. Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. You calling Dawg low class?.............That's not even laughable.........I'm not going to end up getting banned or locked over you....... chill amigo look into the heart of the post. it is the guy who would kill your children with a dozer |
|
Quoted:
Get banned if you want - but please don't use this thread to grab for more leeway in the use of deadly force - or any other agenda. A man is dead. Take your arguments elsewhere, or save them for another time. Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Chases should be treated as lethal force. Yep, 3,000 pound meat guided missile. It's pretty low-classed to stand on a still-warm body and use it as a podium for more police powers. I am truly sorry the guy was killed; I am glad the suspects were caught (one was killed - good!) - but to say that cops ought to be able to shoot everyone who posed a potential thread is stupid, and this thread isn't the place for it. Thank you. You calling Dawg low class?.............That's not even laughable.........I'm not going to end up getting banned or locked over you....... Get banned if you want - but please don't use this thread to grab for more leeway in the use of deadly force - or any other agenda. A man is dead. Take your arguments elsewhere, or save them for another time. Use of Deadly Force 4th Amendment-Graham vs. Connor-these questions are asked: Objective Reasonableness Standard (A) Is the use of force "Objectively Reasonable" in light of the facts and the totality of the circumstance confronting the officer at the moment? (B) "Totality of the Circumstances" is described by the answers to the following: 1. Is the suspect an Immediate Threat to the officers/others? 2. Is the suspect Actively Resisting arrest OR attempting to evade seizure by flight? 3. Are the circumstances Tense, Uncertain, and Rapidly evolving? 4 What is the Severity of the Crime at issue? (C) "Objective" defined: 1. Not what the officer believes or assumes. 2. Only what the officer knows at the moment force is used. 3. It presupposes that any other "reasonably prudent officer" would have done the same thing in those same circumstances. (D) "Reasonableness" is demonstrated by a proper balance between the: 1. Nature and Quality (How?) of the intrusion and the 2. Governmental Interests (Why?) behind the intrusion. (E) In the case of a Fleeing Felon, deadly force can only be used if: 1. The officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect has committed a crime involving the infliction, or threatened infliction, of serious physical harm, AND 2. The use of deadly force is necessary to prevent escape, AND 3. The officer must give some warning of the imminent use of force-if feasible. Argument? No, I was agreeing with his statement. You took umbrage at that. I meant no disrespect to the fallen officer. Grabbing for more power? No. Please review the above posted SCOTUS view in that regards, from 1983 it's been the law of the land. I have all I need in that decision, thank you very much. |
|
Quoted:
Nope. The officer who was killed was a relative of a friend of mine. I didn't start this thread so anyone could come in here and argue for any particular agenda. Quoted:
Quoted:
Perhaps I should elaborate. Nope. The officer who was killed was a relative of a friend of mine. I didn't start this thread so anyone could come in here and argue for any particular agenda. I am most deeply sorry for your loss and anguish. I apologize for offending you. |
|
Quoted:
Mods, lock this. It was trolled form the first post. The rest of you.....you wonder why normal citizens don't trust cops? The guy's body is still warm and you're standing on it begging for more leeway. Disgusting. Nobody did that, at all. You're the one who got all defensive after someone made a pretty innocent remark. You trashed your own thread. I hate to break it to you but the normal citizens trust cops. ETA and I really am sorry for the lose. This thread could have went a hell of a lot better. |
|
Quoted: Mods, lock this. It was trolled form the first post. The rest of you.....you wonder why normal citizens don't trust cops? The guy's body is still warm and you're standing on it begging for more leeway. Disgusting.  Much respect for the fallen officer, but you're the one who took this thread to 11. |
|
Quoted:
Mods, lock this. It was trolled form the first post. The rest of you.....you wonder why normal citizens don't trust cops? The guy's body is still warm and you're standing on it begging for more leeway. Disgusting. 
I don't think you have any idea what this supposed "leeway" the cops are asking for really is (this is even assuming they're asking for any at all). The agency that I'm a reserve for wouldn't even be allowed to use a PIT maneuver to end a pursuit in this circumstance until after the driver had killed the officer because a PIT maneuver is regarded as "deadly force". |