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AR15.COM
11/14/2002 6:34:48 PM EDT
have the guys here that have been laid off sent out?

Just curious.

Will tell you why after some responses.

TXLEWIS
11/14/2002 6:46:28 PM EDT
[#1]
In 4 months (with a 7 or 8 week part time job so I 'slowed down' a bit) I'd say about 70.  There haven't been that many openings that I fit the requirements for.

My manager that got fired when I did has over 15 years in IT upper management and still hasn't gotten anything.  He's sent out over 200 in every direction possible, not just IT.
11/14/2002 10:29:16 PM EDT
[#2]
I have some great news for you guys. (NOT)

I heard today that some "look for work post your resume" websites are really there to gather info so they can commit identity fraud.

Carly Fiorina says that the tight IT budgets are here to stay, the bubble was a one time thing.

I thought about trying to get into networking or programming. Now, I am relieved I didn't. I feel for you guys.
11/14/2002 10:56:23 PM EDT
[#3]
over 60.  Prospects are slightly better than a couple months ago, but still pretty poor comparatively speaking.  

The "bubble" is definantely gone.  I doubt it will ever return, either.  At some point, there will be a slight resurgence, but never to the heights of the .com era (thank god).
11/15/2002 12:05:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Site closed on Jan, 23 2002.

Had 80 printed, only 3 on hand.
This does not take into consideration those which were Emailed or Cut/Paste forms.

Its tight out there and companies which do need people are picking cherries.  One HR director laid it straight for me.

They intend to accept 200 apps.
Interview 60 people on first wave, narrow down to 20 for second wave and actually hire 4.
11/15/2002 6:44:22 AM EDT
[#5]
Reason I mention this was my father in law, now retired sent out over 400 with his first mailing, each with a cover letter, then about 300 after that, also sending follow up letters.  He was, however searching for the position of president of a company.  But it shows that you got to do what you got to do.

TXLEWIS
11/15/2002 8:10:56 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I have some great news for you guys. (NOT)

I heard today that some "look for work post your resume" websites are really there to gather info so they can commit identity fraud.

Carly Fiorina says that the tight IT budgets are here to stay, the bubble was a one time thing.

I thought about trying to get into networking or programming. Now, I am relieved I didn't. I feel for you guys.
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First a word of advice.  Don't use the "announce your resume here" stuff.  And don't send resumes to head hunters unless you clearly have written in your cover "Please do not discuss or mention my resume to any potential client without my prior consent."

Why?  Because slimy headhunters use your resume just as a body count as to how many resumes they deal with in a day.  Also, they could try getting you a job that you have someone else working on so it looks slimy that you have 2 people trying to get you the same job...even though you didn't ask them to.

As for IT.  Corporate IT isn't as bad off as the web stuff in regards to the bubble.  What is killing the corporate groups right now is the money spent on Y2K.  With all the software that was double checked and in a lot of cases re-written and all the hardware that was upgraded or just replaced, companies spent a ton of money and now the amoratization of those expenditures is coming around.  They're feeling the pinch.

The reason I got canned (well actually most of my department) is twofold.  The company was under a hiring freeze due to slow revenue.  They weren't doing badly, just slow.  On top of that, the CIO hated my boss because he actually questioned things instead of being a yes man.  Every time someone would have a new project before the others were done, he'd get in there and make people make decisions as to what would wait and what get's done, not just "yes everything will be done as you ask on time."  Bullshit.  

So it was a convenient decision to remove the support group that was in the CIO's way anwyay and replace them with new developers.  None of which know the legacy systems in place today and none of which know the way the company operates.  Now they've got new systems done and nobody to support and upgrade them.  Gee, how'd that happen?