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Posted: 11/9/2002 3:24:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2002 4:17:25 AM EDT by kentstate4]
.... giving (for free)Two spruance-class destroyers to greece(as of 3/25/2002)and then back on 5/17/2002 under the sorriest president to hold the office,sold to argentina 349 m249 machine guns for $46,417.00 , 1945 m16a1 rilfes for $60,295.00,and 245 m203 grenade launchers for $7,350. I understand that these countries need help from us . I can see the sale of the rifles and the m249s but the destroyers and grenade launchers are weapons of attack not defense. What is your thoughts? I will post a link to the site later.
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Baaahahahahaha! Weapon of attack if you are going to attack a country like Cuba! Put down the crack-pipe and step away from the Destroyer... THE SPRUANCE PROJECT IS …SINKING By Euthymius Petrou & Kostas Grivas. [url]http://www.3dpaper.gr/eng/analyses/spruance.shtml[/url] (11.04.2002). An unexpected development occurred to the case of the Spruance - class destroyers that were expected to be offered to Greece from the US. The impression existed initially, that two of the active-duty ships of this class namely, DD-971 and DD-973, should be arriving next autumn in Greece, through a “hot transfer”, i.e. to be delivered without being prior deactivated by the US Navy. However one of those ships has meantime been decommissioned, whereas the Department of the Navy informed Greece that the ships (without clearly specifying them), might not be available before autumn 2003. In parallel it became obvious that this would not be anymore a “hot transfer” and that those ships would be already decommissioned. The Hellenic Navy, been already in doubt even about the configuration of the weapons and systems of the ships to be delivered, is already reviewing the situation and there is a strong possibility to decide not to accept the offer for those US destroyers. This creates a series of problems and makes even more urgent and pressing the requirement for the renewal of the Fleet. Already the Knox-class frigates are approaching decommission, one of the Adams -class destroyers has been retired and another is to be retired shortly. The remaining two have in front of them a limited number of years of active service. Since the Spruance case is almost abandoned, there is the time for immediate decisions to be made. This is more valid for air-defence ships where there is already a shortage. It should be reminded here that the current 5-Year Armaments Procurement Program (EMPAE) provides for the acquisition of four air-defence ships. However nothing has been done so far in this field in view of the outcome of the acquisition of the Kidd-class destroyers, which is already abandoned. In view of this development and of the fact that the Americans are trying to keep certain open channels and bridgeheads with and within the Hellenic Navy, it is possible that they may revise their intentions and offer in the end another more modern type of this class. However and under any conditions, the Spruance-class ships shall require an extensive, expensive, time consuming and technically risky, upgrading program, in order to be able to fire the SM-2 A/A missiles (in case those be released by the US Navy). This fact narrows even more the choice of ships for Greece. Another possibility is for the US to offer free of charge some of Oliver Hazard Perry -class frigates like those already provided to Turkey and Egypt. However those frigates are not suitable for an air-defence role and may not replace the ships of the Adams-class to this respect. Consequently it is very probable that the procurement of a much more advanced type of air-defence frigate be promoted. The main candidates here are the Dutch LCF (enjoying the support of a powerful lobby within the Navy) and the German F-124, without excluding however any other input from elsewhere. Both the Dutch and the German frigates employ the same air-defence system, basic elements of which are the APAR radar system combined with the SMART - L search radar. The APAR radar encompasses the latest highly sophisticated technology. It is considered to be superior to the SPY-1 radar featured by the American Aegis system. The APAR is of an Active Phased Array type, whereas the SPY-1 is of a Passive Phased Array. In the Active Phased Array radar each antenna element is functioning independently, thus enabling the system to carry on its operation even after sustaining partial damage, whereas it is considered to achieve better target definition in an intensely cluttered environment. In case the procurement of new frigates is decided, this is expected to produce a chain reaction and after-effects in the procurement programs of the other Branches of the Armed Forces, in view of the severely limited funds. For this reason it is possible that one of the major and yet unimplemented procurement Projects be delayedaa or even cancelled, with more possible for this being the Projects of the new fighter and of the new transport helicopter. In the former case the American JSF/F-35 is considered to be the favorite vs. the Eurofighter, since it is to be operational by the end of this decade onwards. In case the helicopter Project be influenced, this shall favor the American proposal for the modernization of the existing Hueys, which is a cheap solution compared to the much more expensive choice of a new helicopter, in which case the favorite is the European NH-90. As for the remaining Navy Procurement Projects, should the procurement of new frigates be decided, it is then almost certain that the procurement of corvettes shall be definitely abandoned.
Originally Posted By kentstate4: .... giving (for free)Two spruance-class destroyers to greece(as of 3/25/2002)...but the destroyers...are weapons of attack not defense.
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DD-973? USS John Young! I spent two years on that ship.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 4:12:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By USNJoe: Baaahahahahaha! Weapon of attack if you are going to attack a country like Cuba! Put down the crack-pipe and step away from the Destroyer... THE SPRUANCE PROJECT IS …SINKING By Euthymius Petrou & Kostas Grivas. [url]http://www.3dpaper.gr/eng/analyses/spruance.shtml[/url] (11.04.2002). An unexpected development occurred to the case of the Spruance - class destroyers that were expected to be offered to Greece from the US. The impression existed initially, that two of the active-duty ships of this class namely, DD-971 and DD-973, should be arriving next autumn in Greece, through a “hot transfer”, i.e. to be delivered without being prior deactivated by the US Navy. However one of those ships has meantime been decommissioned, whereas the Department of the Navy informed Greece that the ships (without clearly specifying them), might not be available before autumn 2003. In parallel it became obvious that this would not be anymore a “hot transfer” and that those ships would be already decommissioned. The Hellenic Navy, been already in doubt even about the configuration of the weapons and systems of the ships to be delivered, is already reviewing the situation and there is a strong possibility to decide not to accept the offer for those US destroyers. This creates a series of problems and makes even more urgent and pressing the requirement for the renewal of the Fleet. Already the Knox-class frigates are approaching decommission, one of the Adams -class destroyers has been retired and another is to be retired shortly. The remaining two have in front of them a limited number of years of active service. Since the Spruance case is almost abandoned, there is the time for immediate decisions to be made. This is more valid for air-defence ships where there is already a shortage. It should be reminded here that the current 5-Year Armaments Procurement Program (EMPAE) provides for the acquisition of four air-defence ships. However nothing has been done so far in this field in view of the outcome of the acquisition of the Kidd-class destroyers, which is already abandoned. In view of this development and of the fact that the Americans are trying to keep certain open channels and bridgeheads with and within the Hellenic Navy, it is possible that they may revise their intentions and offer in the end another more modern type of this class. However and under any conditions, the Spruance-class ships shall require an extensive, expensive, time consuming and technically risky, upgrading program, in order to be able to fire the SM-2 A/A missiles (in case those be released by the US Navy). This fact narrows even more the choice of ships for Greece. Another possibility is for the US to offer free of charge some of Oliver Hazard Perry -class frigates like those already provided to Turkey and Egypt. However those frigates are not suitable for an air-defence role and may not replace the ships of the Adams-class to this respect. Consequently it is very probable that the procurement of a much more advanced type of air-defence frigate be promoted. The main candidates here are the Dutch LCF (enjoying the support of a powerful lobby within the Navy) and the German F-124, without excluding however any other input from elsewhere. Both the Dutch and the German frigates employ the same air-defence system, basic elements of which are the APAR radar system combined with the SMART - L search radar. The APAR radar encompasses the latest highly sophisticated technology. It is considered to be superior to the SPY-1 radar featured by the American Aegis system. The APAR is of an Active Phased Array type, whereas the SPY-1 is of a Passive Phased Array. In the Active Phased Array radar each antenna element is functioning independently, thus enabling the system to carry on its operation even after sustaining partial damage, whereas it is considered to achieve better target definition in an intensely cluttered environment. In case the procurement of new frigates is decided, this is expected to produce a chain reaction and after-effects in the procurement programs of the other Branches of the Armed Forces, in view of the severely limited funds. For this reason it is possible that one of the major and yet unimplemented procurement Projects be delayedaa or even cancelled, with more possible for this being the Projects of the new fighter and of the new transport helicopter. In the former case the American JSF/F-35 is considered to be the favorite vs. the Eurofighter, since it is to be operational by the end of this decade onwards. In case the helicopter Project be influenced, this shall favor the American proposal for the modernization of the existing Hueys, which is a cheap solution compared to the much more expensive choice of a new helicopter, in which case the favorite is the European NH-90. As for the remaining Navy Procurement Projects, should the procurement of new frigates be decided, it is then almost certain that the procurement of corvettes shall be definitely abandoned.
Originally Posted By kentstate4: .... giving (for free)Two spruance-class destroyers to greece(as of 3/25/2002)...but the destroyers...are weapons of attack not defense.
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Crack-pipe no thanks sir! i'll leave the drugs to you and your ranks. So you don't think a destroyer is a attack ship right? How about (80)F-16 block 60 fighter including development,electronic warfare equipment. The above was sold to United arab emirates. Do you think these are attack weapons USNJOEY.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 4:15:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: welcome back. [rolleyes]
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Thanks [puke]
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 4:32:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 4:47:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Originally Posted By kentstate4: How about (80)F-16 block 60 fighter including development,electronic warfare equipment. The above was sold to United arab emirates.
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And?
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You don't see anything wrong with sell these weapons to another nation. Remember Osama was a friend too!if that is indeed your response.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 4:58:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 5:02:46 AM EDT
Well you asked so here you go.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 5:05:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 5:09:34 AM EDT
Sold to china 9/27/2000 146 m109a5 155mm self propelled howizters 79 m52 machine gun 6 m88a2 recovery vehicles just some of the weapons and vehicles.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 5:20:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 6:54:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: kent(I'mNotReallyAnywhereNearMyNamesake)state­, you can thank Bill Clinton for that. GWB isn't a commie.
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Where is it stated i like bill clinton. huh? so FU
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 6:55:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ilikelegs:
Originally Posted By kentstate4:
Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
Originally Posted By kentstate4: How about (80)F-16 block 60 fighter including development,electronic warfare equipment. The above was sold to United arab emirates.
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And?
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You don't see anything wrong with sell these weapons to another nation.
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No there is nothing wrong with selling them to other nations. If we didn't sell it to them, Russia would. Its not like they are getting something that is state of the art from us. Thats for our back stabbing friends the Suadi's. Maybe if you brought up some of the arms sales to China that we had/have done, this might have been a worthy thread. Instead you brought up a destroyer and machine guns. Whoopty fucken doo! Hardly classified as state of the art like the technology your old friend Bill Clinton sold to China.
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Is there oil floating in the water in texas. Where have i back silly bill.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 7:01:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kentstate4: Sold to china 9/27/2000 146 m109a5 155mm self propelled howizters 79 m52 machine gun 6 m88a2 recovery vehicles just some of the weapons and vehicles.
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This is good, The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. And the best part it is all produced by union labor.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 7:06:42 AM EDT
Check all the free goods the corrupt government is giving away. [url]www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/world.html[/url] would be nice to get my hands on those M-16 for damn near nothing. bastards
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 7:07:32 AM EDT
Just curious about two things. One, you claim that GWB is the sorriest president to hold the office, i.e., sorrier than Bill Clinton????? You have to be kidding. Two, what is your education level? Your grammar is atrocious, as is your lack of punctuation:
What is your thoughts?
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and:
So you don't think a destroyer is a attack ship right?
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I know some say things about 'grammar police', but it is hard to take someone seriously when their grammar is this bad. I am not trying to attack you personally, but damn!!!! As for your user name, I seriously doubt you were even born yet. I am a veteran and I believe that what happened there was wrong, even though I did not agree with those kid's message and methodology.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 7:14:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By kentstate4: Sold to china 9/27/2000 146 m109a5 155mm self propelled howizters 79 m52 machine gun 6 m88a2 recovery vehicles just some of the weapons and vehicles.
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This is good, The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. And the best part it is all produced by union labor.
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You must be a DemocRAT and a Liberal at that.................
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 7:34:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 11:46:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hotrod:
Originally Posted By QCMGR:
Originally Posted By kentstate4: Sold to china 9/27/2000 146 m109a5 155mm self propelled howizters 79 m52 machine gun 6 m88a2 recovery vehicles just some of the weapons and vehicles.
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This is good, The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. The more we sell or give away, the more we can make. The more we can make the more we can have. The more we have the more surplus we generate. The more surplus we generate the more we can give away or sell. And the best part it is all produced by union labor.
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You must be a DemocRAT and a Liberal at that.................
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Clearly you did not get the humor so I will work with you: kentstate4 thinks it is a bad thing. I think it is a good thing. Because this material is produced by the liberals best friend, ie., union labor, kentstate4 has to reconcile how the union could be involved with a "bad thing". Please explain how you deduced I was liberal? I stand to the right of Rush. Unless you are an idiot than disregard and go back to watching your NASCAR race.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 2:32:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kentstate4: How about (80)F-16 block 60 fighter including development, electronic warfare equipment. The above was sold to United arab emirates. Do you think these are attack weapons USNJOEY.
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Nope, I don't think they are attack aircraft, I know they are [b]fighter[/b] aircraft. F-16, get it? Dumbass. HAHA!
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 2:42:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 2:43:33 PM EDT
My question is: why the hell any one of you continue to feed the kent state troll. 4 Dead in Ohio? Hell, that's pretty poor shooting for the National Guard if you ask me.
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 2:45:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: $133 for an M249?! $31 for an M16?! $30 for an M203?! Wow.
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I got an extra 200 bux. Put me down for one of each please. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 3:00:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 3:05:30 PM EDT
[b]Originally Posted By kentstate4: What is your thoughts? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My thoughts be that dis was a good sale. What your thoughts is?[/b] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm laughing so hard I'm crying....... [NI]
Link Posted: 11/9/2002 3:06:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheRicker: $133 for an M249?! $31 for an M16?! $30 for an M203?! Wow.
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we could only wish...
Link Posted: 11/10/2002 4:16:33 PM EDT
Hey QCMGR I was just BSing with you, no hard feelings OK. I should have used the smiley face, I would have replied earlier but I was out killing deer this weekend........
Link Posted: 11/10/2002 4:33:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hotrod: Hey QCMGR I was just BSing with you, no hard feelings OK. I should have used the smiley face, I would have replied earlier but I was out killing deer this weekend........
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No problem, what did you get?
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